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Would using pihole be a solution to this? Im thinking of doing so
 

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But now they have something new, you can pay extra then no ADDS... WTF? And earlier those adds where short, but now.... Holy cow, sometimes more then 10 minutes in a movie.
In the beginning, several times in the movie, at the end...
Sometimes i have the feeling i look to more adds then a movie. Well not with me, i switch to other channel or just stop watching and go to my stream online.
Keep in mind YouTube is not Netflix/AppleTV. It is a platform that hosts people's videos for free. It lets you view them wherever at a cost. Whether that cost is ads or $$$, that is up to you. It even goes so far to share some of that cost with prominent content producers.

I fail to see the greed in this.
 
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I know that very well, but lately it has gone all a little to far off. They all come greedier with time. I know that only the sun goes up for nothing.

Now netflix also want more money, cheap account with add's, expensive without add's. Before you just needed an account.
Add's are longer and more intrusive.

Maybe it's just me getting older, but I can't stand those commercials anymore.
Everywhere, on the street, radio, TV, mobile phone, Computer, newspaper and again in your mailbox, it's just too much!

And spam email also...

You can now opt for advertising and personalized advertising on your TV box at home. To do this, they share your TV box number with the channel. But I don't want advertising, so why should I watch advertising that might interest me?

I am already happy i found a way out for youtube video's. Nothing to see, no warnings.
 
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So far so good for me, though I almost never use YouTube on PC, mostly Android or TV, surprisingly ads are not so bad on TV but completely useless.
Really? That is strange. Would have thought it would happen MORE on mobile and TV platforms than PC.

To be fair, my Linux Mint box has yet to see a warning either and I frequently view videos without logging in on that machine...
 
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I agree with just about all you said, but don't understand the point of that comment.

So what if Google makes plenty of money? Does that mean they don't have a right to make more? Or they are evil if they try and therefore, deserve to be neglected or even cheated out of more?

And who is defining "plenty"? "Plenty" is a relative term. Alphabet/Google is way down the list of biggest corporations compared to Walmart, Saudi Aramco, Amazon, China National Petroleum, Apple, UnitedHealth and several others. Even CVS Health is bigger than them. (source)

YouTube is so popular because people like it. Is that YouTube's fault?

Well then, I guess that settles it. If that's free, then anyone can simply host their own CDN and enjoy their content ad free.

It does exist on TV. A few months ago, my brother and his metal band were invited to take part in a talent show. The contract they offered said that they waive any rights to their own content to the TV company. They took the contract to a lawyer despite being asked by the TV company not to, who advised them to refuse signing it at all costs, so naturally, they did.

Let me tackle all of this together.

1) Google is already making a ton of money, and has no right to make any. You are confusing rights with imperatives. Funny that you should BS the terminology...but I'm going to just state that they are not stating this as a requirement...but using it to force engagement...selectively.
2) To that selectively bit...let me answer the "free" and "rights" argument. Both are idiotic, because of how Youtube is actually acting. When a creator gets to roll adds and get paid they throw up the "you are violating the terms" warning. If you get a demonitized video it's not even a consideration. That friends, is BS. It's acknowledging that what they are doing with infrastructure has no cost unless the content creator wants to get paid. You're welcome to argue, but the proof is in their actions.

3) America's Funniest Home Videos was a TV show. It ran for years, and was hosted by the guy who did Full House. In the 80's to 90's people competed by turning over the rights to their videos...for 10k. I'm not even going to touch on Tosh.0 or any of the garbage that exists now, but it's a tactic that is not by any stretch of the imagination new.

4) "People like it" is a stupid argument. I like watching TV...and right now the TV in my house is OTA. Yep, commercials are good. I can watch Star Trek constantly because there's a station that paid for the broadcast rights, shoves in commercials, and makes a profit by having the commercials cost more than the content they purchase. Cool.
5) Would I be pissed if the TV company suddenly chained me to a chair while the commercials played? Yep. What is Youtube doing? Well, Alphabet scrapes my data and sells it to people who want to sell me crap. I go to websites, get a bunch of pop-ups, and tolerate them. I am fine with this...because at the end of the day it's allowed Alphabet to do stupid crap. Hangouts, glass, gmail, and stadia to name a few. Note 75% of those services no longer exist...because Google doesn't really design things for people. They design data collection...and branch out to interesting stuff occasionally. So...for the last decade Google has been fine, fought to be a safe harbor for the DMCA (very expensive), hosted things from all over the political spectrum...and is now changing. Instead of making the same amount of money, they now want you to pay for that privilege. No, this doesn't come with anything new. In fact, it's now supporting the vestiges of the cocaine fueled music recording industry...which is just funny considering that Google in part helped to fuel the transition of music to a service along with Apple...which killed that golden cow. All of this should now obviously link back to why forced commercials is a stupid way to support an already profitable venture which is primarily driven by content that you do not have any investment in.




If you'd like to see a scenario where any of this makes sense, I'll gladly offer it.
1) Google stops filtering video results. I don't like Mr. Beast, so I can turn him off. Each channel gets one primary topic, a secondary topic, and a tertiary topic. Each has 20 values for each category. 20^3 = 8000 potential channel combinations. If there are a million channels, each would average to 125 channels. Filter for languages...and you have a manageable amount of topics to sift through when you want to search for things to watch, combined with key word filters.
2) Google stops playing politics. Period. Free speech is great and it sucks. It means you have to listen to the anti-semitic garbage, the racism, and all of the hate. It also means you get something like Blazing Saddles. Free speech is not a choice, if you aren't going to pay most of your content creators.
3) Commit to flat fees for your creators. If Bob down the street gets 800 views give him nothing (your infrastructure cost is theoretically what you offer), but Sally who decided to question the efficacy of anti-racism laws which act as discriminatory racism gets 1 million make sure she gets something...other than a demonitization for covering a controversy.

4) Put into place a two tier payment system. $3 a month for add free, $0 a month with a maximum 20% commercials (similar to current US TV standards, where a 30 minute block is 24 minutes of show).
5) Ban any inter-video commercials, or paid advertisements inside video. This is because creators are guaranteed money, and should not need this.
6) Scale video length to payment. A million hits on an hour of video should be worth more than a 2 minute reaction video. Don't just be video length though...be engagement time. Reward investment, not output volume.

7) Support creators. Create a royalty free library of visuals and audio. Tell the old media to shove it in as polite a manner as possible, but to shove it none the less.
8) Advertise everything, and don't skimp. Have your advertisements match with the topics. In this way a channel about cars would see advertisements for things like wax, and medical channels might see commercials for new medicines. Slide the scale for pricing of advertisements to how volatile a subject is, so companies can match their target audience to a risk-reward...as very popular stuff like Mr. Beast might not be the place to see an advertisement for something like Ashley Madison (a cheating website)... or it might be perfect. In this way price, engagement, and target market are controlled by the buyer and thus not your responsibility.
9) Use your data. Project the balance of $36 a year customers to free ones...and aim for profitability. 90%-10% sounds a bit high, but at this point nearly everything is automated. 10% profits for literally nothing is huge...when Disney, HBO, and Netflix are stuffing millions into projects to build a content library to justify people paying for their services at multiple times your price.

10) Wrap all of this up by not having a music subscription attached. Allow it to be purchased separately....instead of sneaking it in to "justify the price" of that which was once supported at no apparent cost.


Why put so much effort forward. Anecdote time. I used to live in a neighborhood with MS execs and Sony execs. When the Napster thing was going down, one of them asked me why I stole music. He was a bit of a jerk, and had been drinking. I told him that I'd never stolen music...and he said that downloading music was stealing money from his pocket, and he should just make up for it by not paying me. I had just spent a week working for him...and said ok and left. I walked outside, tore out half of what I'd done, and went home. He later called my parents, irate, and threatening legal action. Not really a midwest thing...so they agreed to talk to me. I told them what he said, told them that if I was going to pay for the stuff, then be told he wouldn't pay me for anything because I stole from him, without ever knowing me, that I was going to give him the half of a job that the last CD I purchased was. My parents dragged me up to their house, demanded that he pay me for the stuff, and suggested that legal action against a minor for doing work illegally paid under the table was a lawsuit they'd be willing to take...to which the bitter bastard forked over a hundred dollar bill. His wife came home later that day, and was amazed about the state of what was beautiful the day before. She wandered down to our house, and asked what the heck happened. My parents told her, then suggested that she leave. She apologized immediately, explaining that they'd missed their bonus and instead of 20+ million dollars they were only going to get 5. I heard the words...then did the math in my head. 15,000,000 divided by about 1000 was 15,000 kids he'd have had to screw out of money for services to pay back what he perceived he was "owed."
Now, let me do the math on this one. Average of about $15 for a CD...they were assuming that in that half of a year 1 million CDs were stolen leading potential sales to decrease by that amount. Can you say that with a straight face..? I know it wasn't a 1:1 loss of 15 million in bonus...because not meeting a 2 million target by getting 1,999,999 would also lead to that...but that's just silly. It was even sillier that he'd have assumed he could make that money up by stiffing somebody on payment for less than 1% of that value...because he'd also seen piracy numbers in that same presentation and made the link that it was entirely responsible.
Why does any of this long anecdote matter? The recording industry is known to have made profit hand over fist...and their content creators are often spending months on the road inside of a cramped bus, trying to get sleep before they're shoved out onto stage to promote their latest CD release...which they'll never see any profit from unless it sells thousands of millions of copies. The recording industry has the infrastructure to record...and it has largely paid all of this off decades ago. It has the infrastructure to print CDs...which can now be done with a cheap computer at home. It has the ability to make stars...only "it used to" is probably a better conjugation there. Let's compare that to Google. If they let you be monetized, you can potentially generate a constant stream of content for them which pays literally pennies despite advertisers paying a lot to Youtube. That's great from the idea of "it's their infrastructure," but not great when you get to the point that a system already paying for itself handily is deciding to make more money.
Yada...yada....cocaine fueled music industry joke...yada....yada.
So no, I think that Google is repeating the absolutely bat crap crazy shenanigans that the recording industry did, where making just a few more dollars is the difference between tolerable and actively encouraging stealing. As I've gotten older, I have downloaded music. If after a listen I like it, I buy it. If not, I delete it. I'm sitting on a collection of movies that I've illegally transcoded so that I can watch them on my phone, because I paid for a copy of the content rather than the rights to a plastic disc. I think it was amazing that, for a time, companies actually acknowledged this and provided slightly more expensive movies with both disc and streaming rights (but then gag because it was account locked and a certain time after print they'd actually no longer allow registering so that "bargain bin" copies were screwed out of that ability).
This might be complicated, but the simple answer is Google being "a little bit" more greedy is not a conversation starter. Greed is not good. Google is not entitled to taking content and making it their with literally no compensation to the creators "because it's controversial" while they make money...which is why we are rolling through that double standard of paid and unpaid content with and without add blocking. If that isn't enough to signal that this is a bad move, then you are invested in Google's monetary success more than their success long term. Congrats, you're either an investor or somebody at Google who forgot "don't be evil" disappeared from your corporate goals.
 
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Let me tackle all of this together.

1) Google is already making a ton of money, and has no right to make any. You are confusing rights with imperatives. Funny that you should BS the terminology...but I'm going to just state that they are not stating this as a requirement...but using it to force engagement...selectively.
2) To that selectively bit...let me answer the "free" and "rights" argument. Both are idiotic, because of how Youtube is actually acting. When a creator gets to roll adds and get paid they throw up the "you are violating the terms" warning. If you get a demonitized video it's not even a consideration. That friends, is BS. It's acknowledging that what they are doing with infrastructure has no cost unless the content creator wants to get paid. You're welcome to argue, but the proof is in their actions.

3) America's Funniest Home Videos was a TV show. It ran for years, and was hosted by the guy who did Full House. In the 80's to 90's people competed by turning over the rights to their videos...for 10k. I'm not even going to touch on Tosh.0 or any of the garbage that exists now, but it's a tactic that is not by any stretch of the imagination new.

4) "People like it" is a stupid argument. I like watching TV...and right now the TV in my house is OTA. Yep, commercials are good. I can watch Star Trek constantly because there's a station that paid for the broadcast rights, shoves in commercials, and makes a profit by having the commercials cost more than the content they purchase. Cool.
5) Would I be pissed if the TV company suddenly chained me to a chair while the commercials played? Yep. What is Youtube doing? Well, Alphabet scrapes my data and sells it to people who want to sell me crap. I go to websites, get a bunch of pop-ups, and tolerate them. I am fine with this...because at the end of the day it's allowed Alphabet to do stupid crap. Hangouts, glass, gmail, and stadia to name a few. Note 75% of those services no longer exist...because Google doesn't really design things for people. They design data collection...and branch out to interesting stuff occasionally. So...for the last decade Google has been fine, fought to be a safe harbor for the DMCA (very expensive), hosted things from all over the political spectrum...and is now changing. Instead of making the same amount of money, they now want you to pay for that privilege. No, this doesn't come with anything new. In fact, it's now supporting the vestiges of the cocaine fueled music recording industry...which is just funny considering that Google in part helped to fuel the transition of music to a service along with Apple...which killed that golden cow. All of this should now obviously link back to why forced commercials is a stupid way to support an already profitable venture which is primarily driven by content that you do not have any investment in.




If you'd like to see a scenario where any of this makes sense, I'll gladly offer it.
1) Google stops filtering video results. I don't like Mr. Beast, so I can turn him off. Each channel gets one primary topic, a secondary topic, and a tertiary topic. Each has 20 values for each category. 20^3 = 8000 potential channel combinations. If there are a million channels, each would average to 125 channels. Filter for languages...and you have a manageable amount of topics to sift through when you want to search for things to watch, combined with key word filters.
2) Google stops playing politics. Period. Free speech is great and it sucks. It means you have to listen to the anti-semitic garbage, the racism, and all of the hate. It also means you get something like Blazing Saddles. Free speech is not a choice, if you aren't going to pay most of your content creators.
3) Commit to flat fees for your creators. If Bob down the street gets 800 views give him nothing (your infrastructure cost is theoretically what you offer), but Sally who decided to question the efficacy of anti-racism laws which act as discriminatory racism gets 1 million make sure she gets something...other than a demonitization for covering a controversy.

4) Put into place a two tier payment system. $3 a month for add free, $0 a month with a maximum 20% commercials (similar to current US TV standards, where a 30 minute block is 24 minutes of show).
5) Ban any inter-video commercials, or paid advertisements inside video. This is because creators are guaranteed money, and should not need this.
6) Scale video length to payment. A million hits on an hour of video should be worth more than a 2 minute reaction video. Don't just be video length though...be engagement time. Reward investment, not output volume.

7) Support creators. Create a royalty free library of visuals and audio. Tell the old media to shove it in as polite a manner as possible, but to shove it none the less.
8) Advertise everything, and don't skimp. Have your advertisements match with the topics. In this way a channel about cars would see advertisements for things like wax, and medical channels might see commercials for new medicines. Slide the scale for pricing of advertisements to how volatile a subject is, so companies can match their target audience to a risk-reward...as very popular stuff like Mr. Beast might not be the place to see an advertisement for something like Ashley Madison (a cheating website)... or it might be perfect. In this way price, engagement, and target market are controlled by the buyer and thus not your responsibility.
9) Use your data. Project the balance of $36 a year customers to free ones...and aim for profitability. 90%-10% sounds a bit high, but at this point nearly everything is automated. 10% profits for literally nothing is huge...when Disney, HBO, and Netflix are stuffing millions into projects to build a content library to justify people paying for their services at multiple times your price.

10) Wrap all of this up by not having a music subscription attached. Allow it to be purchased separately....instead of sneaking it in to "justify the price" of that which was once supported at no apparent cost.


Why put so much effort forward. Anecdote time. I used to live in a neighborhood with MS execs and Sony execs. When the Napster thing was going down, one of them asked me why I stole music. He was a bit of a jerk, and had been drinking. I told him that I'd never stolen music...and he said that downloading music was stealing money from his pocket, and he should just make up for it by not paying me. I had just spent a week working for him...and said ok and left. I walked outside, tore out half of what I'd done, and went home. He later called my parents, irate, and threatening legal action. Not really a midwest thing...so they agreed to talk to me. I told them what he said, told them that if I was going to pay for the stuff, then be told he wouldn't pay me for anything because I stole from him, without ever knowing me, that I was going to give him the half of a job that the last CD I purchased was. My parents dragged me up to their house, demanded that he pay me for the stuff, and suggested that legal action against a minor for doing work illegally paid under the table was a lawsuit they'd be willing to take...to which the bitter bastard forked over a hundred dollar bill. His wife came home later that day, and was amazed about the state of what was beautiful the day before. She wandered down to our house, and asked what the heck happened. My parents told her, then suggested that she leave. She apologized immediately, explaining that they'd missed their bonus and instead of 20+ million dollars they were only going to get 5. I heard the words...then did the math in my head. 15,000,000 divided by about 1000 was 15,000 kids he'd have had to screw out of money for services to pay back what he perceived he was "owed."
Now, let me do the math on this one. Average of about $15 for a CD...they were assuming that in that half of a year 1 million CDs were stolen leading potential sales to decrease by that amount. Can you say that with a straight face..? I know it wasn't a 1:1 loss of 15 million in bonus...because not meeting a 2 million target by getting 1,999,999 would also lead to that...but that's just silly. It was even sillier that he'd have assumed he could make that money up by stiffing somebody on payment for less than 1% of that value...because he'd also seen piracy numbers in that same presentation and made the link that it was entirely responsible.
Why does any of this long anecdote matter? The recording industry is known to have made profit hand over fist...and their content creators are often spending months on the road inside of a cramped bus, trying to get sleep before they're shoved out onto stage to promote their latest CD release...which they'll never see any profit from unless it sells thousands of millions of copies. The recording industry has the infrastructure to record...and it has largely paid all of this off decades ago. It has the infrastructure to print CDs...which can now be done with a cheap computer at home. It has the ability to make stars...only "it used to" is probably a better conjugation there. Let's compare that to Google. If they let you be monetized, you can potentially generate a constant stream of content for them which pays literally pennies despite advertisers paying a lot to Youtube. That's great from the idea of "it's their infrastructure," but not great when you get to the point that a system already paying for itself handily is deciding to make more money.
Yada...yada....cocaine fueled music industry joke...yada....yada.
So no, I think that Google is repeating the absolutely bat crap crazy shenanigans that the recording industry did, where making just a few more dollars is the difference between tolerable and actively encouraging stealing. As I've gotten older, I have downloaded music. If after a listen I like it, I buy it. If not, I delete it. I'm sitting on a collection of movies that I've illegally transcoded so that I can watch them on my phone, because I paid for a copy of the content rather than the rights to a plastic disc. I think it was amazing that, for a time, companies actually acknowledged this and provided slightly more expensive movies with both disc and streaming rights (but then gag because it was account locked and a certain time after print they'd actually no longer allow registering so that "bargain bin" copies were screwed out of that ability).
This might be complicated, but the simple answer is Google being "a little bit" more greedy is not a conversation starter. Greed is not good. Google is not entitled to taking content and making it their with literally no compensation to the creators "because it's controversial" while they make money...which is why we are rolling through that double standard of paid and unpaid content with and without add blocking. If that isn't enough to signal that this is a bad move, then you are invested in Google's monetary success more than their success long term. Congrats, you're either an investor or somebody at Google who forgot "don't be evil" disappeared from your corporate goals.
I agree with only a couple of things to add:

1. I disagree with the notion of "pirating is stealing". I buy whatever I consider worth buying, and the things that I pirate, I wouldn't buy, so I wouldn't generate any revenue anyway. Companies are well aware of this, which brings me to the next point:
2. Albums sold falls into "advertising" in the music industry because its revenue generating value is miniscule. Live shows and radio commissions are where they make their money from.
3. Those who think paying 15 quid for Youtube that basically maintains the infrastructure and pays some pocket money to some creators is the same as paying 15 quid to Netflix that besides maintaining their infrastructure, also pays millions for their content, are crazy.
4. Subscription services are an absolute disgrace, imo. You do not own any content, but you're free to consume whatever you want as long as you keep paying. Nothing is permanent, nothing has any re-watch or re-play value and the base assumption is that you consume content, then move on to next content. Consume, consume, consume... Oh, and stay addicted to keep feeding into the system. Nothing has any value, but it doesn't matter as long as the money keeps flowing. Sorry to say, but it's us, consumers who maintain this system. If we didn't pay for Amazon Prime, Netflix, Disney+ and the rest (I don't anyway), we wouldn't be in this mess.
 
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Not to turn this into a political issue, but, to paraphrase Churchill, Capitalism is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

Sadly, one of the downsides of capitalism is the belief that if a company isn't steadily growing, it is failing. This is especially true for publicly owned companies - such as Google. Google's shareowners expect and demand "growth". If they don't get it, they will sell (pull their investment money out) and move elsewhere. Then if the investor pull out, Google cannot build new datacenters or even keep their current workforce and datacenters busy.

In other words, Google has little choice. They must keep looking for new avenues of revenue or be perceived as failing.

So we can blame Google, but frankly, it is just a fact of life. I refer back to cable TV. We pay outrageous (IMO) sums every month, and still have to put up with commercials. The typically hour long TV show is really about 45-47 minutes without commercials. So about ~25% is taken up by adds. So why don't I get 25% of my monthly bill back?

That will never happen. Couldn't any way because another 25% or more of my bill is eaten up in taxes and fees and other mystical charges. :( But that's another discussion.
The system is long overdue for changes. One way or another. We see the same problem, and the damage outweighs the benefits - I dont think I can say Im leaving my kid in a better world than I grew up in. Until then and in my own time and economical behaviour Ill do what I can to nudge that way, and keep this insanity out of my life as much as possible.

You are right though Im not contesting what you say.
 

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I agree with only a couple of things to add:

1. I disagree with the notion of "pirating is stealing". I buy whatever I consider worth buying, and the things that I pirate, I wouldn't buy, so I wouldn't generate any revenue anyway.

So is breaking the law ok if you feel like it?
 
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So is breaking the law ok if you feel like it?
Yep. Law is made with intent. As a civilian I can disagree with how a law is exercised or explained - I could reason the intent of that law is not coming to fruition the way Im being treated. This is a huge thing when you consider piracy of media. There is no clear consensus of whether that is legally theft, even today. Nobody loses anything, despite what the entertainment biz likes to reason.

And then we have a system and a special house for a good discussion about that should someone disagree with my explanation of said law. The courtroom.
 
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So is breaking the law ok if you feel like it?
Does the law really matter here, where there's not effective enforcement? I do think people can pirate to try software before they buy or use software for a limited time and not feel like they have betrayed their morals. But I guess it depends on the person, and whether they can justify it to themselves.
 

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As we've moved to the discussion of the legitimacy of pirating, I'm closing this thread (about ad-blockers) down.
 
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