ZOTAC GeForce GTX 465

[PopcornMachine]

How are they failures the 480 gtx is the most powerful single gpu on earth . I own one and it works great, it runs no hotter in my case than a 8800 gtx and the fan seems no louder than the prior generation. It needs a more aggressive fan setting but than can be fixed with afterburner. I do love the 5800 series and wouldn't hesitate to buy one they are great cards, but there is zero wrong with the 400 gtx series, could it be better? yes but as is it is a beast.
It needs a good powersupply for sure and it's a power hog but thats only a issue when gaming and thats usually a few hours a day. If you buy a 470 gtx heat doesn't become a issue at al, powerconsumption comes down a bitl and the fan isn't loud!!!! plus it's a overclocking monster. They 465 gtx just needs a price adjustment at it's current pricing a 5850 is a way better choice ( I believe they are overpriced aswell) at the 5850's price point a 470 gtx is a better buy. I could go all day to me the only cards out that make sense price wise are the 5770, ref model 5870 and 480 gtx. To me all the rest are not priced right.

While I think prices need to come down on all these cards, I would never consider a GTX 470 over an HD 5850.

In fact I wouldn't buy any GF100 based card for the reasons I have already indicated.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[kid41212003]

It has 20% less shader cores compare to GTX470, and it performs 20% slower. So I don't think it's the design problems, probably because it's a complete different core design, nothing like GT200.

 

[trt740]

While I think prices need to come down on all these cards, I would never consider a GTX 470 over an HD 5850.

In fact I wouldn't buy any GF100 based card for the reasons I have already indicated.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Do you buy a Ferrari for gas mileage? because thats what a 480 gtx is, but on to your point. When both are maxed overclocked a 470 gtx will kill a 5850. The 470 gtx becomes a Ferrari after it's core reaches 800+. The 5850 however, just like all the other 5800, series doesn't gain much performance after 900 to 950 core( hell of a overclock on a 5850) and cannot keep up. I believe thats why ATI doesn't go much higher than 900 and it's because these chips are so efficient they have reached their max potential, which is not a bad thing. On the other hand the 400 series are raw power and don't have optimized drivers or smaller cores at present. That doesn't make them bad gpus but they haven't reached their max potential, and will only get better with time. When I say raw power for Geforce, I would say finely honed and efficient power in Ati's defense and again there is nothing wrong with the 5800 series they are still the overall top dogs and the new 5970 with 4gb of ram and after market coolers make them even better.

 

[HalfAHertz]

Thats what im completely baffled about right now guys. I mean regardless the 648Mhz clock on the old architecture 200 series gpu's it only has 240 stream/cuda cores to use.

But the GTX 465 has 350+ at just 607Mhz not much slower, Theres about 50% more cuda cores in the 465 then there is in a 285. Yes there bit wide interfaces are different, but the gpu's have different architecture's and GTX 400 series should be a better more efficient one at the least and its getting beat by old 285 with a what should be a big cripple. But no some how the 465 just sucks balls right now. Its amazing. Confusing. Maybe its got to be a cap with the Bit wide buss or something. Really couldnt be though.

There is something wrong with the GTX 400 series, and its pretty relevant now, noticing such a suck performance from what should be a bad-ass card with the specs. This is embarrassing.

and the 460 will perform like what

It is the same with Ati. The 5830 has like 50% more SPs than the 4890, but still falls short. It's not only about SPs/cuda cores count but the ratio between the different GPU elements.

 

[trt740]

It is the same with Ati. The 5830 has like 50% more SPs than the 4890, but still falls short. It's not only about SP/ couda core counts but the ratio between the different GPU elements.

In that case it's the rop count. All a 5830 is performance wise, is a slightly improved 4870 series card with Dx 11. If you oc a 5830 it will pull aways from a 4890. Also I wonder how well the 465 will crunch?

 

[PopcornMachine]

Do you buy a Ferrari for gas mileage? because thats what a 480 gtx is, but on to your point. When both are maxed overclocked a 470 gtx will kill a 5850. The 470 gtx becomes a Ferrari after it's core reaches 800+. The 5850 however, just like all the other 5800, series doesn't gain much performance after 900 to 950 core( hell of a overclock on a 5850) and cannot keep up. I believe thats why ATI doesn't go much higher than 900 and it's because these chips are so efficient they have reached their max potential, which is not a bad thing. On the other hand the 400 series are raw power and don't have optimized drivers or smaller cores at present. That doesn't make them bad gpus but they haven't reached their max potential, and will only get better with time. When I say raw power for Geforce, I would say finely honed and efficient power in Ati's defense and again there is nothing wrong with the 5800 series they are still the overall top dogs and the new 5970 with 4gb of ram and after market coolers make them even better.

I probably shouldn't bother because you are assuming everyone is or should be using your criteria in picking a graphics card.

I'm looking for a fast card at a good price. It doesn't have to be a Ferrari. But using your analogy, If I can get a slightly slower Ferrari for a cheaper price that uses a lot less gasoline, then that's the one for me.

Hell, I might even be able to buy two of those Ferraris. And these Ferraris didn't have some pistons taken out of the engine to make them work.

In short, energy usage is important to me. And the soundness of the engineering.

If you have to have the fastest car on the road, then that is your choice.

 

[OnBoard]

this is just..........

i was waiting for the 465 thinking it would be a much less expensive than the 470 but with a few overclocking tweaks and some better drivers the performance would be close. clearly this is not the case. i go nvidia because i like to fold but now i am beginning to think it is not worth it.

Hehee, I sold my GTX 280 because of this card Couple months ago the specs looked good (one shader cluster more) and I though no-one will buy GT200 cards once this is out..

Well, now we know better :shadedshu

OK, not really for this card but GTX 460 and then this came out as NVIDIA wants to get rid of the bad GF100 cores. But GTX 460 will be even more slow and GT200 remains it's DX100 price/performance crown.

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W1zzard mentioned the price/performance at the end of the review. I'm starting to thing they purposely cut GTX 465 352 shaders, with 384 shaders and 48 TMUs this would have been a much better card for the price point. It could have just resulted 5850 price drop that ATI surely could do, having sold the card 8months over MSRP

NVIDIA should drop the price of 480 to 5870 level, 470 to 5850 level, 465 to 5830 level. ATI would drop the price on all of them and release 4890 at old 4870 price. NVIDIA would release 485 to compete with that and we the consumers would be happy

I liked 2008 much better

 

[Jstn7477]

5850 beats the 465 in most tests, it appears.

5850: Max power consumption: 150w
465: Max power consumption: 199w

 

[Easy Rhino]

Hehee, I sold my GTX 280 because of this card Couple months ago the specs looked good (one shader cluster more) and I though no-one will buy GT200 cards once this is out..

Well, now we know better :shadedshu

i am glad i waited!!! seriously, i have 2 280s in sli and these bad boys rock in dx10 mode. the reasons i was thinking of going to a single 465 was to cut back on power consumption and maintain most of the performance and have dx 11. so glad i waited!


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W1zzard mentioned the price/performance at the end of the review. I'm starting to thing they purposely cut GTX 465 352 shaders, with 384 shaders and 48 TMUs this would have been a much better card for the price point. It could have just resulted 5850 price drop that ATI surely could do, having sold the card 8months over MSRP

NVIDIA should drop the price of 480 to 5870 level, 470 to 5850 level, 465 to 5830 level. ATI would drop the price on all of them and release 4890 at old 4870 price. NVIDIA would release 485 to compete with that and we the consumers would be happy

I liked 2008 much better

perhaps nvidia is going to come out with another version of this without the shaders cut out

 

[OnBoard]

5850 beats the 465 in most tests, it appears.

5850: Max power consumption: 150w
465: Max power consumption: 199w

You have to remember that there is hardly any reference designed 5850s left and all new revisions consume more. So it's more like 175W vs 199W. Or 194W vs 199W for the slightly overcloked Powercolor HD 5850 PCS+.

 

[phanbuey]

Guru 3d is saying that you can flash this to a 470...

 

[KainXS]

bullshiet, the rops on the GTX4XX cards are locked via the 6 memory controllers/partitions, the GTX470 has 5 of its 64bit memory controllers active(10 or 20 memory pieces) and the GTX465 has 4 of them active(8 or 16 memory pieces), meaning you cannot unlock the rops meaning your not going to get a 470 and unlocking SP's . . . . . . not sure about the shaders(maybe they changed the lockout routine), but for the rops its impossible, and probably the same for the shaders too unless a mistake happened like when some 9600GSO's were released that unlocked to full 8800GTS 512 because of a mixup where 8800GTS 512 were sold with GSO locked bios's which based on wizzards review is not the case because of the memory pieces on the boards.

 

[OnBoard]

Guru 3d is saying that you can flash this to a 470...

That would be a reason to get one, if you can unlock stuff. Direct flash to GTX 470 would mean that 3/5 of the disabled shader clusters would have to be working and don't thing there is currently a way to select what to return.

6800LE was a great card even if you didn't get all 16 pipes unlocked. Mine did 12, where default was 8 (there was 2 clusters disabled, the other gave green garbled screen).

Now if you could get even one shader cluster more, GTX 465 would be much more tempting

 

[GSquadron]

The review was given right away from my birthday
Thx to Wizzard for this birthday present

 

[HillBeast]

Guru 3d is saying that you can flash this to a 470...

Where did that say that?

 

[alexsubri]

nVidia once again dissapoints me ...

 

[newtekie1]

There has to be some driver issues here. I can't see a GTX285 ever outperforming this, it just doesn't have the specs to support that. I will be interesting to see what some driver improvements will do with this card, but right now this card just isn't worth considering.

looked like it had enough space to me, that adaptor would just be weighed down and potentially break/damage the socket.

It looks like it, but once it is in a case, there isn't enough room for the cable to plug in. The port would actually fit, but the casing around it would hit the screw from the DVI port and the case where the PCI bracket screws on.

oh i'm sure they had reason for it, i'm just opposed to adaptors like that. you should see how bent my HDMI-> DVI adaptor is, due to the weight of a cable over two weeks... i'm just glad its the adaptor that bent, and not the HDMI socket.

I would have chosen one HDMI, one DVI, and one DP. Would have fit easier, not required weird adaptors, and supported the major connection options for years to come.

I totally agree, I hate the mini-HDMI adaptor. And my eVGA card didn't even come with the adaptor, instead they included a 6ft mini-HDMI to HDMI cable. That doesn't exactly reach all the way around the room to my TV on the other side of the room. I have a 25ft HDMI cable run to do that, but I can't use it with the HDMI port.

I think just running a standard HDMI port off the top of one of the DVI adpators would have been great. Similar to how ATi has stacked the DVI port, but instead make the top one a HDMI port so it doesn't block as much of the vent. Then put a DisplayPort where the mini HDMI is.

 

[KainXS]

some sources are claiming that Point of View in particular did release a GTX465 with a GTX470 PCB to reviewers but this only confirms that the reference GTX465 will not unlock, its the same thing as the Galaxy 9600GSO crap.

its this one

Its either an isolated incident or its fake, any way you look at it, the real GTX465 will not unlock.

 

[OnBoard]

some sources are claiming that Point of View in particular did release a GTX465 with a GTX470 PCB to reviewers

Almost all GTX 465 comes with GTX 470 PCB (except 2 memory chips). Palit, Gainward, Gigabyte and Galaxy have own designs (that are also identical to their non reference GTX 470).

 

[KainXS]

thats what they are claiming, that those 2 memory chips are there, when they're not supposed to, I'm talking the entire pcb including the memory.

 

[Parad0x]

Seems that the lab501 guys got the same "unlockable" Point Of View retail card as Guru3D.

@ W1zzard: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=253063 Could you please look into this matter?

Where did that say that?

page 20 last paragraph on the bottom

 

[phanbuey]

There's something else I want to mention here. I'm not saying you should, by all means no. But we already informed you that the PCB, packaging and GPU on both the GTX 465 and 470 are 100% similar. We flashed a GTX 470 BIOS in one of the GTX 465 cards just to see if it would work, and it ran perfectly fine. Risky yes .. the extra disabled shader clusters could be damaged. But well let's just say, keep this little story in mind.

--source http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-review/20

 

[crow1001]

All my respect to Wizzard, he is one of the most non bias reviewers still left out there and his review of the 465 was great and all credit to him. Some of the " others " reviews out there are embarrassing to say the least, bigging up this fail card.

 

[phanbuey]

card might not be that big of a fail if they didnt laser it... it actually might be a killer card... like the nvidia equivalent of AMD's unlockable cores.

 

[Bl4ck]

i don't know about you guys but to me it all looks like some kind of a price fixing thing between ATI and Nvidia

HD5xxx series is close in performance to what Nvidia is offering. When we look at the GTX470 and GTX480 everyone looks @ power consumption that is not so much higher then ATI's ,and even that it's @ full load ,it matters for everyone that has sub i7/ddr3/ssd ect. rig but it doesn't matter for someone with pricey X58 mobo, with LGA1366 i7 cpu, and 1000kw+ PSU that GTX480 is using 50-60watts more power @ 100% load than ATI's HD5870. Nvidia did their homework, they gave people the fastest single chip solution for year 2009/2010 (so far ;]) ,and what did ATI do ? amped by 2 shader cores from their HD4890 line + DX11 (that's why Tessellation is lagging in there) , and their fastest card is not single chip solution its a dual chip 5970.

GTX470/480 may be noisier but when you have the rest of your rig specs on par with the GTX then you probably will water cool the VGA also.

I have GTX275 right now, i would gladly switch to GTX470 (lower power draw in idle then my gtx275) but not with the prices of these cards today. i think the pricing it's the only problem with Fermi based GPU today, i mean c'mon guys we don't have the same mistake like FX5800 series anymore ;], it's all about the dollar/euro now.