Well if there are specific mining cards that are better than gaming cards at mining that should help gaming card supply even though chips are getting consumed for mining cards as well. Assuming the price premium for them is acceptable.

mechtechWell if there are specific mining cards that are better than gaming cards at mining that should help gaming card supply even though chips are getting consumed for mining cards as well. Assuming the price premium for them is acceptable.

Na, it will not. GPUS gone to mining are lost from gaming. And mining cards without video posts will never find their way to a gamer through second hand market.

This is the worst kind of environmental pollution. A product that sucks power that will be thrown to the dustbin when it will stop being profitable.

john_Na, it will not. GPUS gone to mining are lost from gaming. And mining cards without video posts will never find their way to a gamer through second hand market.

This is the worst kind of environmental pollution. A product that sucks power that will be thrown to the dustbin when it will stop being profitable.

Crypto is a Ponzi scheme with only waste as it’s product. The ideas espoused are no different than cash and inflation.

Ban it.

john_Na, it will not. GPUS gone to mining are lost from gaming. And mining cards without video posts will never find their way to a gamer through second hand market.

This is the worst kind of environmental pollution. A product that sucks power that will be thrown to the dustbin when it will stop being profitable.

To be honest, I don't blame AMD or NVIDIA for trying to profit off of the mining craze. Most of us would do the same if we were them.

What really needs to happen is regulation. If there was a ban on mining (or the sale of mining cards), then none of this would happen.

RithsomTo be honest, I don't blame AMD or NVIDIA for trying to profit off of the mining craze. Most of us would do the same if we were them.

What really needs to happen is regulation. If there was a ban on mining (or the sale of mining cards), then none of this would happen.

*checks notes*

It looks like the prohibition went off without a hitch, yep, no speakeasies or crime resulted, nosiree.

RithsomTo be honest, I don't blame AMD or NVIDIA for trying to profit off of the mining craze. Most of us would do the same if we were them.

What really needs to happen is regulation. If there was a ban on mining (or the sale of mining cards), then none of this would happen.

Ban crypto entirely. And then put fucking shackles on the money printers.

john_Na, it will not. GPUS gone to mining are lost from gaming. And mining cards without video posts will never find their way to a gamer through second hand market.

This is the worst kind of environmental pollution. A product that sucks power that will be thrown to the dustbin when it will stop being profitable.

I wonder if it’s on glofo 12nm like original or TSMC 7nm?

windwhirlBan crypto entirely. And then put fucking shackles on the money printers.

This
Exactly this

mechtechI wonder if it’s on glofo 12nm like original or TSMC 7nm?

What, these cards? 7nm. AMD won't redo RDNA2 design to fit GloFo's 12 nm process.

AMgreeDia.

john_Na, it will not. GPUS gone to mining are lost from gaming. And mining cards without video posts will never find their way to a gamer through second hand market.

This is the worst kind of environmental pollution. A product that sucks power that will be thrown to the dustbin when it will stop being profitable.

They can be reused so long as its not blocked in the driver.

Any cpu with an IGP can be the display out, and the gpu do the acceleration.

terrible gpus for mining, minimum must be 256 bit and at 550 usd, my god, too expensive, when hehell crash hits this mining gpu will be 100 usd, trust me.

Metroidterrible gpus for mining, minimum must be 256 bit and at 550 usd, my god, too expensive, when hehell crash hits this mining gpu will be 100 usd, trust me.

I don't know if mining will truly crash. It seems like a repetitive cycle of lows and highs.

Anyway, AMD has already said they're not pursuing compute with RDNA and any of their future evolutions (including RDNA2, which is not so future anymore). Anyone wants compute, they can buy CDNA-based Instinct accelerators.

windwhirlI don't know if mining will truly crash. It seems like a repetitive cycle of lows and highs.

Anyway, AMD has already said they're not pursuing compute with RDNA and any of their future evolutions (including RDNA2, which is not so future anymore). Anyone wants compute, they can buy CDNA-based Instinct accelerators.

where did AMD say that?

PatriotThey can be reused so long as its not blocked in the driver.

I wonder if AMD did that thing of cutting the display controller, video coding/decoding acceleration, and other bits off the silicon.

DeathtoGnomeswhere did AMD say that?

www.techpowerup.com/279884/amd-confirms-it-wont-block-any-workloads-on-its-graphics-cards-including-mining

AMD product manager Nish Neelalojanan confirmed to PC Gamer that AMD's stance is a fundamentally different one: that they won't be the ones to decide what their customers can or can't do with their hardware. His words, precisely, were this: "We will not be blocking any workload, not just mining for that matter."

Nish then went on to speak on how AMD - and its current RDNA2 product stack - have been specifically geared and optimized for gaming workloads. There are some architectural choices present in RDNA2 that automatically reduce its utility and performance when it comes to mining, such as its infinity Cache - an architectural choice that aims to increase gaming performance by improving cache hits, at the expense of overall memory bandwidth (the most important metric for actual mining operations).

"All our optimization, as always, is going to be gaming first, and we've optimized everything for gaming. Clearly, gamers are going to reap a ton of benefit from this, and it's not going to be ideal for mining workload

windwhirlWhat, these cards? 7nm. AMD won't redo RDNA2 design to fit GloFo's 12 nm process.

So just die harvesting all the ones that don't make the 2560 shader count for Navi 22?

Too bad in a way, the added capacity could help the short supply, at a cost of increased power consumption.

A bit underwhelming, even if the price is low.

AleksandarKRunning at the default 165 Watt TGP, the card produces a 38.0 MH/s hash rate, while the optimized form of 41.6 MH/s reduces TGP to just 93 Watts.
...
Ethereum mining can manage a 27.8 MH/s hash rate at the default 100 Watt TGP and 29.4 MH/s at optimized 60 Watt TGP configuration.

With those prices(even before we take scalpers/middlemen into account), these are a horrible deal for miners. Even LHR cards make more sense than that with recent unlocks.
The only saving grace for GPRO X060 is display output(e.g. rebadged 6600), but hashrates are about as bad as a beat-up GTX1070. The other one looks like a defective 6600XT with a dead memory channel, and "linux-only" makes it even less usable.
Even the newly re-released RTX 2060S looks more appealing. Seen fresh batches sold locally around $850, but they manage respectable 42-43MH/s @ 120W while can be also used for gaming or sold later down the road. Haven't seen the infamous 12GB 2060's yet, though....

PatriotThey can be reused so long as its not blocked in the driver.

Any cpu with an IGP can be the display out, and the gpu do the acceleration.

Not the case with X080. Die is probably so f#$%ed up and out of spec, that it'll only run headless on Linux. Hence the asterisk in spec.

I've always been a big Sapphire fan, but this is so gross.

Metroidterrible gpus for mining, minimum must be 256 bit and at 550 usd, my god, too expensive, when hehell crash hits this mining gpu will be 100 usd, trust me.

If 256-bit card is minimum, then where are all the 128-bit cards?!?!?

mechtechIf 256-bit card is minimum, then where are all the 128-bit cards?!?!?

At least where I live, nobody is buying them, I guess not even for gaming.

There is no avoiding that companies will prioritize miners over gamers. After all, miners are using the GPU to make money and therefore, make them more willing to shell out substantially more. In addition, mining cards tend to be cheaper to make since they don't need things like display out connectors and likely with a shorter warranty period (for mining specific cards).

29 MH/s at 60W isn't really that impressive. I know the price of current GPUs are insane, but just FYI my 3-4 years old Vegas do 40 MH/s+ at 100W or below,
and fact is also they were way cheaper when I got them.

Sandbo29 MH/s at 60W isn't really that impressive. I know the price of current GPUs are insane, but just FYI my 3-4 years old Vegas do 40 MH/s+ at 100W or below,
and fact is also they were way cheaper when I got them.

Miners don't care. They'll happily put their hands on any GPU they can find.

SteevoCrypto is a Ponzi scheme with only waste as it’s product. The ideas espoused are no different than cash and inflation.

Ban it.

Said by someone who clearly doesn't understand crypto and what the blockchain is doing. *laughs in 3080, 6700XT, and RX580*

windwhirlI wonder if AMD did that thing of cutting the display controller, video coding/decoding acceleration, and other bits off the silicon.





www.techpowerup.com/279884/amd-confirms-it-wont-block-any-workloads-on-its-graphics-cards-including-mining

I think you took that out of context. Gaming still needs 'compute', as you put it.

What AMD said is that it wont block workloads, no idea where you got that 'pursuing compute' in your comment. The only thing you referenced [in your reply to me] is only about mining. AMD already said it wont block workloads like Nvidia is doing with LHR.

so you'll have to ELI5 for me to getr what you mean.

I think I disagree with the notion that mining gpus decrease the amount of gaming GPUs. Maybe in some way, yes due to shortages but lets look at it from a different perspective. I also disagree with the fact that these cards should have display ports to enable them to use it for gaming. That's not their purpose so why a display port? I think the consumption is way higher and the supply cant keep up.
It's like being mad at a car company for making rally cars, or drag-race cars etc. for example. These are not being used for street driving (forbidden even if you wanted to) with your family and yet nobody complains even though cars are getting more expensive and maintenance is getting more expensive for those as well year by year. You don't have one car you share with your family I'm sure of it.
Why not let enthusiast who like the mining idea have their own corner? As I see it, the demand is big and that is not due to mining per se but I'm sure it has something to do with that since it is a graphics card industry. Look at the computers' usage in a family. Do you guys have one computer at home as it was some time back? Now you have 3 kids and each one has its own computer, (or a tablet or both, not to mention phones) your wife has its own (and a lot other electronic stuff cause she uses the tablets when in traffic) and maybe grandma and grandpa share one but not likely. I remember one computer per family was a norm, now it seems lame and yet people keep blaming company (profit maker, that is important to mention due to expansion and exploration for new markets and I'm sure a lot will agree here from financial perspective) for selling designated mining cards and these people get pissed off there is no graphics card to purchase (or a huge price), to put in their beloved wife's computer cause they need it or their son gets pissed off because fortnite does not run 144 FPS. (it's just an example for those who will say you can play it at 60FPS fine) How can you refuse your beloved ones not to have one of those and see a smile on their faces? So you are getting frustrated and you are looking for someone to blame. And if you think about reusing the older gaming cards in aftermarket or second hand if you will. Sure, but just like the mining cards they will eventually end up in a dumpster nonetheless. Postponing doesn't solve anything.