Just drop support for any and all bulldozer and zen1 based CPUs and be done with it. I’m sure there would be plenty of space after that.

Edit: oh and all of you with 300 series motherboards still rocking the above mentioned CPUs…JUST DONT UPDATE THE BIOS

DavenJust drop support for any and all bulldozer and zen1 based CPUs and be done with it. I’m sure there would be plenty of space after that.

Edit: oh and all of you with 300 series motherboards still rocking the above mentioned CPUs…JUST DONT UPDATE THE BIOS

Or update to one of the intermediate ones that support your CPU? It's not as if older versions aren't still available.

So. Who was all brakes on to avoid bios updates ? AMD ? Brands ? Both ?
Choosing for both but not on par, 66 % for boards makers, 33 for AMD. AMD didn't need to sell mobos. But in the same time, they need to sell so-called cool features.
Board makers needed to sell more, after poor K10 years...
Now waiting for 350 updates (a 5800x to replace my 1800x should be noice).

ilyonSo. Who was all brakes on to avoid bios updates ? AMD ? Brands ? Both ?
Choosing for both but not on par, 66 % for boards makers, 33 for AMD. AMD didn't need to sell mobos. But in the same time, they need to sell so-called cool features.
Board makers needed to sell more, after poor K10 years...
Now waiting for 350 updates (a 5800x to replace my 1800x should be noice).

There are some obvious advantages to upgrading as well and in all fairness to both parties involved in this, the very first AM4 motherboards weren't exactly all that good.
Then there's the Intel cycle which I think all the board makers were used to, it was a good way for them to keep making revenue, no-one makes money doing UEFI updates for old products, that just costs money.

Meh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

mechtechMeh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

I had 3200MHz with mine and most people had at least 2666MHz RAM at the time. No need to exaggerate things, as there was plenty of "fast" RAM available at the time, a lot of it just didn't work well with the Zen memory controller in the first gen Ryzen CPUs. Never got my RAM stable over 3000MHz.
All AM4 platforms are at least PCIe 3.0, so no.

TheLostSwedeI had 3200MHz with mine and most people had at least 2666MHz RAM at the time. No need to exaggerate things, as there was plenty of "fast" RAM available at the time, a lot of it just didn't work well with the Zen memory controller in the first gen Ryzen CPUs. Never got my RAM stable over 3000MHz.
All AM4 platforms are at least PCIe 3.0, so no.

Same here, bought my B350 + 1600x in 2018 may with 3200MHz memories already, what I have under my specs. 'wasn't cheap tho but memory wasn't exactly cheap at the time'
For some reason it worked just fine at 3200MHz until I decided to update the BIOS and then it developed random crashes and nowadays I just run it at 3000MHz and this way its completely stable.

Maybe something else caused it I'm not sure but its not like I can notice any perfomance diff between 3000 and 3200 anyway. 'not with my setup at least'

They could have at least chose the Taichi lol

ilyonSo. Who was all brakes on to avoid bios updates ? AMD ? Brands ? Both ?
Choosing for both but not on par, 66 % for boards makers, 33 for AMD. AMD didn't need to sell mobos. But in the same time, they need to sell so-called cool features.
Board makers needed to sell more, after poor K10 years...
Now waiting for 350 updates (a 5800x to replace my 1800x should be noice).

This falls squarely on AMDs shoulders, not board makers. AMD refused to release AGESA code for 5000 series on 300 series chipset, without that you can’t build a BIOS.
This didn’t stop some board makers from trying, but without AMDs special juice there was not much they could do.

the same thing happened with 3000 series CPUs.

TheLostSwedeI had 3200MHz with mine and most people had at least 2666MHz RAM at the time. No need to exaggerate things, as there was plenty of "fast" RAM available at the time, a lot of it just didn't work well with the Zen memory controller in the first gen Ryzen CPUs. Never got my RAM stable over 3000MHz.
All AM4 platforms are at least PCIe 3.0, so no.

My ram is 3200 xmp but 2133 jedec lol. And like you said. Need a lot of luck trying to get it to run that which it didn’t. Maybe the pcie reading from gpuz is down clocked then??

ilyonSo. Who was all brakes on to avoid bios updates ? AMD ? Brands ? Both ?
Choosing for both but not on par, 66 % for boards makers, 33 for AMD. AMD didn't need to sell mobos. But in the same time, they need to sell so-called cool features.
Board makers needed to sell more, after poor K10 years...
Now waiting for 350 updates (a 5800x to replace my 1800x should be noice).

Making motherboards forward compatible is the motherboard manufactorers' bane. AMD not giving official support was as good of a scrapegoat as any to force peope want new CPUs to buy a newer board.

mechtechMeh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

I bought some cheap 3200cl16 rated Hynix CJR in 2018 for my AB350 Gaming 3, I was able to run this kit at 3200cl14 with a Ryzen 5 1600 and now at 3733cl16 with a Ryzen 5 3600.

Honestly having more PCB layers or better traces, like in the case of B550/X570, can help squeeze ram a little bit more but I do have the assumption that a lot of people complaining about not being able to overclock their ram "because they have a B350/X370" don't necessarily know what they are doing and just give up after failing to boot once and/or stick to XMP.

I wouldn't be surprised if I'd manage to reach something like 4000cl18 with a Zen 3 memory controller.

AMD is in panic mode because Zen 4/AM5 is far down the line, ADL is stomping the highest-end Zen 3 CPUs in gaming performance, and nobody cares about the 5800X3D. So this is just a bit of marketing to keep them in the news and in peoples' good books. We already knew that there was no valid technical reason why Zen 3 couldn't work on X370, just arbitrary AMD market segmentation to get people to buy more expensive boards.

mechtechMeh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

I think you need to stop smoking what you're smoking. I bought a second-hand X370 Crosshair VI for almost nothing just after X570 came out and idiots were dumping "old" tech, paired it with a brand new 3600XT and DDR4-3200, and have been running it quite happily ever since. I don't miss PCIe 4.0 because like 99% of users I don't have anything that would ever use that much bandwidth, and this board is so overbuilt that it will overclock CPU or RAM far better than most cheap X570 boards, so I came out quite far ahead.

AssimilatorAMD is in panic mode because Zen 4/AM5 is far down the lid technical reason why Zen 3 couldn't work on X370, just arbitrary AMD market segmentation to get people to buy more expensive boards.

You are absolutely correct, X370 and B350 owners locked out of Zen 3 and looking for an upgrade had the following upgrade paths:

- Buy B550/X570, the socket is borderline EOL and it just doesn't make sense to invest in a new mobo unless you aim for something like a 5950x and you need high quality VRM.
PCIe 4.0 is also useless for a good chunk of the diy community and a lot of people were too butthurt to buy another AM4 after being artificially locked out of Zen 3.

- Wait for AM5 and potentially find yourself in the same situation aka planned obsolescence with first gen sockets, Amd can't wait for market segmentation for every AM5 cpu iteration.

- Buy ADL, which both has better ST and when bundled with a mobo can cost the same or even cheaper than Amd counterparts. You also save your DDR4 kit. The only downside is that it comes with a first gen sockets and it does get hotter than Zen 3s depending on workload (some people like me, using an NH-U12s would rather not spend money to get an AIO/NH-D15 for something like a 12700k).

- Raptor Lake, no info on performance for obvious reasons but you get to save your DDR4 kit while it competes with AM5 first gen and not a lot of people want to be AM5 early adopters.

mechtechMaybe the pcie reading from gpuz is down clocked then??

If the GPU is idle it downclocks the PCIe to save power. Run the built-in stress test and you'll see that it will jump to PCIe 3.0. I was also confused by that when my RX 580 reported as running at PCIe 1.1 speed.

Now, just follow up with the rest of the line-up. Taichi please.

AssimilatorI bought a second-hand X370 Crosshair VI for almost nothing just after X570 came out and idiots were dumping "old" tech, paired it with a brand new 3600XT and DDR4-3200, and have been running it quite happily ever since. I don't miss PCIe 4.0 because like 99% of users I don't have anything that would ever use that much bandwidth, and this board is so overbuilt that it will overclock CPU or RAM far better than most cheap X570 boards, so I came out quite far ahead.

Ditto. Picked up 3x Asrock X370 Taichi/2700X/16GB DDR4-3200/256GB nvme for next to nix to upgrade some old systems around the time of Ryzen 3 launch.

mouacykNow, just follow up with the rest of the line-up. Taichi please.

X370 Taichi/5900X works fine with bios v6.62.

steenDitto. Picked up 3x Asrock X370 Taichi/2700X/16GB DDR4-3200/256GB nvme for next to nix to upgrade some old systems around the time of Ryzen 3 launch.


X370 Taichi/5900X works fine with bios v6.62.

5900X on X370 Taichi, unofficially right? CPU List is not updated yet.

mouacyk5900X on X370 Taichi, unofficially right? CPU List is not updated yet.

Correct. v7.10 for all.

AssimilatorAMD is in panic mode because Zen 4/AM5 is far down the line, ADL is stomping the highest-end Zen 3 CPUs in gaming performance, and nobody cares about the 5800X3D. So this is just a bit of marketing to keep them in the news and in peoples' good books. We already knew that there was no valid technical reason why Zen 3 couldn't work on X370, just arbitrary AMD market segmentation to get people to buy more expensive boards.


I think you need to stop smoking what you're smoking. I bought a second-hand X370 Crosshair VI for almost nothing just after X570 came out and idiots were dumping "old" tech, paired it with a brand new 3600XT and DDR4-3200, and have been running it quite happily ever since. I don't miss PCIe 4.0 because like 99% of users I don't have anything that would ever use that much bandwidth, and this board is so overbuilt that it will overclock CPU or RAM far better than most cheap X570 boards, so I came out quite far ahead.

Haha! ADL is a joke. Only people buying are the benchers for the single core crown...that's it. DDR5 is not ready, that's why they are waiting to release Zen4. Zen 3 is all they need to compete with ADL so they don't care.
For those that have not figured this out yet... there is not enough room in bios memory for too many cpu's!

The Pitchfork should be aimed at Asus, they made TUF boards garbage after the Sabertooth R 2.0, also they are slow to get bios updates on their ROG, Prime boards.

@TheLostSwede

mouacykNow, just follow up with the rest of the line-up. Taichi please.

They are by far better at keeping customers satisfied unlike Asus.

mechtechMeh. Anyone who has an x370 probably has ddr2133 anyway. If you’re going to upgrade to latest cpu you’d probably want to upgrade ram to ensure it will run at 3200 at least. If you’re that far in may as well upgrade motherboard also. I think my x370 is pcie v2??

Sure bro, I bought my 1600X in 2017 and my poor memory are lock at 3333@14 :(

Thanks you ASRock, I hope I'll have a official bios for my 5600 upgrade in a few months (already had the old beta bios)

RedwoodzHaha! ADL is a joke.

Yeah it is. I have faster single/multi core than 58/900x still using DDR4 with 4x Gen4 M.2 slots. Gaming it runs no hotter than a 5900x as i run it stock because it's still faster and needs no OC. i'm laughing at my Joke every day.

TiggerYeah it is. I have faster single/multi core than 58/900x still using DDR4 with 4x Gen4 M.2 slots. Gaming it runs no hotter than a 5900x as i run it stock because it's still faster and needs no OC. i'm laughing at my Joke every day.

Wasted money on failed platform (raptor lake lul), can't OC, need beefy water cooling if you want to fully use it. Yes, joke. Half ass pcie 5 to boot.

Anyone want to flash this to crosshair vi for testing :p

If I recall correctly asrock started making some beta bios available mere weeks after Zen 3 first launched but was told to quit it by AMD so this is not exactly surprising.

At least the excuses game from AMD/board vendors will be over