This isn't the remake, right?
I ask, because the screenshots look pretty similar to when I played the original SS2 with visual upgrade mods.

LabRat 891This isn't the remake, right?

The 2023 remake (due May 30) is a full-blown reimagining of System Shock (1994).

Nightdive has already released an Enhanced Edition version of the first game - back in 2015.

They done the same way with Quake and Doom 64 ... maybe PowerSlave / Exhumed too, no ?
So far, they've made a good job !

I thought this game sounded interesting....

...But then I saw the creepy crawlies and said "hell no!" :fear:

Let's go!!
Cannot wait for the new SS1 remake, but if they make SS2EE, then maybe they also remake it!
... eventually :laugh:
@Gmr_Chick this one is a proper horror game, unlike DeadSpace which is more on the gore-side, the System Shock games are relying more on the atmosphere. :toast:
I love DS too, don't get me wrong, but this one is stronger in that.

csendesmarkLet's go!!
Cannot wait for the new SS1 remake, but if they make SS2EE, then maybe they also remake it!
... eventually :laugh:
@Gmr_Chick this one is a proper horror game, unlike DeadSpace which is more on the gore-side, the System Shock games are relying more on the atmosphere. :toast:
I love DS too, don't get me wrong, but this one is stronger in that.

Fans will jump onto SS2EE no doubt with Nvidia RTX Remix.

TheDeeGeeFans will jump onto SS2EE no doubt with Nvidia RTX Remix.

Nvidia RTX Remix?
You mean ray traced?
That would be awesome, good and realistic lighting could improve the mood of the game

why reverse engineer , don't they have the code?

How much will this cost on official release?

Bomby569why reverse engineer , don't they have the code?

probably not. It is so common for companies to lose source code over time. I think its mostly because they never really think they would need it again.

LabRat 891This isn't the remake, right?
I ask, because the screenshots look pretty similar to when I played the original SS2 with visual upgrade mods.

I'm confused too...

This here is about system shock 2 which is the free (freshly converted) bonus game if you pre-order the new reimagination of system shock, which it seems is an amalgamation of the best what the two original ones did offer.

Nice!

Here ist the original cover, that is quiet old enough to order itself a whiskey:




to the author:
Without context you can´t release this article about a remake of system shock 2 10 days before the reinvented system shock comes out!

Regards

A kickstarting, preordering and very miffed SS2 fan who you actively have confused with this piece until I did some research myself before putting one and one together.

csendesmarkNvidia RTX Remix?
You mean ray traced?
That would be awesome, good and realistic lighting could improve the mood of the game

It's what the modding is called.

solid title, I only played it relatively recently for the first time but man that is some class from the time period you basically dont see anymore, different times, different mentality.

I do think that if you basically just clean up the textures a bit and make it more playable (not trying to underplay that effort btw) one should add something like RT to the game, I think it could add a lot to the visuals.

Anyone who likes Bioshock should play this, and then maybe we can have an end to the "Bioshock is the spiritual successor to SS" nonsense.

Hm, what's the difference? There are already mods than makes this playable on modern hardware and also downloadable mods which makes the AI / enemies more high-poly.

Link from their own Kickstarter communication:
www.pcgamer.com/system-shock-2-enhanced-edition-shows-off-a-major-visual-upgrade-in-new-screens-all-cinematics-textures-characters-and-weapon-models-have-been-updated/

I read this yesteday and I'm already halfway through a replay of SS2 (original) as a result.

TBH, this EE doesn't seem to be massively different to the original - the only place you'd notice it would be face textures. I'm guessing this is more for console players who never experienced the original SS2 on PC.

FrickAnyone who likes Bioshock should play this, and then maybe we can have an end to the "Bioshock is the spiritual successor to SS" nonsense.

Bioshock is good, but it been dumbed down too much to accommodate console players... it is a shame
I don't mind that, but we should still the "pro" version for PC :D

TheDeeGeeIt's what the modding is called.

Cool
Hopefully we will get several times better cards for ray trace.

csendesmarkBioshock is good, but it been dumbed down too much to accommodate console players... it is a shame
I don't mind that, but we should still the "pro" version for PC :D

Cool
Hopefully we will get several times better cards for ray trace.

Bioshock and System shock are so different that I'm baffled anyone can possibly compare them.
Bioshock Infinite, in particular, ditches just about everything related to system shock entirely. It was a fun game, but a different genre.

Chrispy_Bioshock and System shock are so different that I'm baffled anyone can possibly compare them.
Bioshock Infinite, in particular, ditches just about everything related to system shock entirely. It was a fun game, but a different genre.

Well, both of them have a wrench :D

Chrispy_Bioshock and System shock are so different that I'm baffled anyone can possibly compare them.
Bioshock Infinite, in particular, ditches just about everything related to system shock entirely. It was a fun game, but a different genre.

Bioshock (the first one) was compared or likened to System Shock 2 quite a lot at release. In places System Shock 2 was even used in marketing. Irrational Games and Ken Levine are the big commonalities there. Themes for both games are not that far apart, the whole "dead place with (audio) logs" thing was also much more novel than it is now.

System Shock 2 has older and more traditional take on the gameplay, UI etc while Bioshock has a much more direct focus on combat. And while I am a big fan of System Shock 2, Bioshock simply nails it in the whole ambiance and story department.

londisteBioshock (the first one) was compared or likened to System Shock 2 quite a lot at release. In places System Shock 2 was even used in marketing. Irrational Games and Ken Levine are the big commonalities there. Themes for both games are not that far apart, the whole "dead place with (audio) logs" thing was also much more novel than it is now.

System Shock 2 has older and more traditional take on the gameplay, UI etc while Bioshock has a much more direct focus on combat. And while I am a big fan of System Shock 2, Bioshock simply nails it in the whole ambiance and story department.

Yeah, a System Shock but only the combat is a pretty good way of describing it. Too bad the combat is System Shock wasn't all that good.

So...I remember playing this on a windows xp x64 system. None of the modern convenience mods, none of the rose tinted glasses...because Bioshock was out.

What I remember the most is a clunky set of mechanics that weren't well explained. Access to a wrench...that seemed to do nothing until it killed a thing. Access to an inventory system that was absolutely bonkers. Most builds being possible...until you hit one of various walls that made builds entirely non-viable because of poor design. A cargo hold map with no distinctive features, and infinitely spawning enemies that would not drop ammo for weapons. Random deaths and game overs because even paying attention you were both rewarded and penalized with little heads-up. Most of all, I remember that when I finally got to the end there were infinitely spawning monsters in the places you wanted to backtrack to...and literally everything that could deal with them was finite unless you saved a ton of points for the highest tier melee weapon...which didn't have any progress to get it. Wrench or crystal...and nothing in-between to support builds.

I want to see an update to this game...but it needs a lot of the more...frustrating...bits removed. It also needs to be someone other than Nightdive...because I love them for remaking old games. System Shock II doesn't need a remake, it needs someone to fix it with enough chutzpah to burn the nostalgia out. That's going to make for a better game...but not a faithful port into the modern age. I...hope that Nightdive walks the line here, but I feel this game is just too much of an experimental mess to be great without nostalgia goggles. That nostalgia means that it will not work for new gamers...and old gamers misremember the difficulty. Sigh.

lilhasselhofferSo...I remember playing this on a windows xp x64 system. None of the modern convenience mods, none of the rose tinted glasses...because Bioshock was out.

What I remember the most is a clunky set of mechanics that weren't well explained. Access to a wrench...that seemed to do nothing until it killed a thing. Access to an inventory system that was absolutely bonkers. Most builds being possible...until you hit one of various walls that made builds entirely non-viable because of poor design. A cargo hold map with no distinctive features, and infinitely spawning enemies that would not drop ammo for weapons. Random deaths and game overs because even paying attention you were both rewarded and penalized with little heads-up. Most of all, I remember that when I finally got to the end there were infinitely spawning monsters in the places you wanted to backtrack to...and literally everything that could deal with them was finite unless you saved a ton of points for the highest tier melee weapon...which didn't have any progress to get it. Wrench or crystal...and nothing in-between to support builds.

I want to see an update to this game...but it needs a lot of the more...frustrating...bits removed. It also needs to be someone other than Nightdive...because I love them for remaking old games. System Shock II doesn't need a remake, it needs someone to fix it with enough chutzpah to burn the nostalgia out. That's going to make for a better game...but not a faithful port into the modern age. I...hope that Nightdive walks the line here, but I feel this game is just too much of an experimental mess to be great without nostalgia goggles. That nostalgia means that it will not work for new gamers...and old gamers misremember the difficulty. Sigh.

IMO it's the infinite respawns that hurt the OG game.
Playing it with infinite respawns penalises non-melee builds because your weapons require TWO resources (maintenance tools and ammo) that are scarce by design, and for the first 30% of the game neither ammo nor maintenance tools drop from those infinite respawns. The only way to play the game if you don't speedrun the game through to the end of hydroponics is as a melee-focused build, otherwise you're simply going to run out of ammo, maintenance tools, or psi hypos.

The game is definitely better IMO if you disable infinite respawns with the no_respawn user.cfg line and increase the difficulty to maintain the challenge instead. You do still get respawns when you load into a previously cleared area, but it's not quite as ridiculous as it is by default and it doesn't ruin the immersion. You're on a goddamn spaceship that had a limited population of crew and bots. When you've completely cleared a deck and suddenly more just appear out of nowhere, it kills the entire immersion and atmosphere for me by revealing a tedious, dated game-mechanic that was already ageing poorly when the game first released.