Saturday, December 9th 2023

Framework Dives Deep into Laptop 16 Connectors

This is likely our last Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive before we start shipping, and those of you who ordered one can dive deep on your own. We began mass production of Mainboards last week, which we'll hold onto as we resolve the last few remaining open items to begin full system manufacturing. You may be thinking, do we really need a deep dive on connectors? The answer is a resounding "Yes!"—as connectors are surprisingly among the most complex and critical parts of building a product that is slim, durable, high performance, and easy to repair. Connectors are the electrical and mechanical interfaces between modules in the system.

They are what actually makes the product modular! Each connector needs to be easy to engage, hard to accidentally disengage during vibration or drop, robust across repeated re-connections, thin enough to fit within a tiny space, electrically sound from a signal integrity and power perspective, readily manufacturable, and cheap. Our most complicated connectors are made up of dozens of tiny formed metal parts in plastic or metal shells. Given the complexity, our preference is always to find well-proven off-the-shelf connectors. However, occasionally we run into unique interconnect scenarios that don't match anything out there. In these instances, we're forced to customize our own solutions. With Framework Laptop 16, we developed two of these to enable our new module ecosystems.
Input Module Connector
The first is the connector that interfaces to Input Modules and the Touchpad Module. This is what enables the hot-swappable modules that allow full input deck customization on Framework Laptop 16. From a signal perspective, this one is relatively straightforward. There are only eight pins, supporting up to one amp at 5 V and with no signals faster than USB 2.0. However, from a mechanical standpoint, this was exceptionally challenging. The pins are exposed when Input Modules are removed, meaning they have to be extremely robust to handling. In addition, because of how our Touchpad Module engages, the connectors have to be able to handle not just compression force but also many cycles of shear force. All of this has to work within very limited thickness too. We initially started with a spring-based connector (on the left) during our EVT build but found it to be easy to accidentally bend and break the pins. We then quickly pivoted to a pogo pin solution (on the right), working with CFE, one of the world's largest pogo manufacturers to build a custom solution. Despite being just 0.8 mm in diameter, the brass pins are incredibly durable. They are rated to 10,000 cycles and are difficult to damage even if you try to.
Expansion Bay Interposer
The second connector is vastly more electrically complex. This is the interposer that connects the Mainboard to Expansion Bay Modules. This is what enables upgradeability of high-performance modules like discrete GPUs with Graphics Modules in Framework Laptop 16. This has two 74-pin interfaces supporting 8-lane PCIe 4.0 (and potentially higher), DisplayPort, and >10 amps at 20 V. These are extremely difficult specifications to meet, and are made even more complex through our requirement to make it an easy connector to handle and cycle repeatedly. We started with the off-the-shelf FXBeam connector from Neoconix that was used in attempts from other brands at making a modular graphics system in a notebook. We quickly found that these connectors (on the left in the image) could only reliably be installed once. On removing, handling, and reinstalling, it was easy to bend or break off the small pins. We then worked closely with Neoconix to build our own customized version of FXBeam (on the right in the image) that is compatible with the same Mainboard interface, but is substantially more robust. The structure hooks the pins into place and prevents them from being malformed by force from any direction. With that, the interposer is safe for handling and repeated cycling, letting you swap between Expansion Bay Modules with ease.
Source: Framework Blog
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15 Comments on Framework Dives Deep into Laptop 16 Connectors

#2
mechtech
Hope they do well, the laptop sector really needs a modular, user friendly design.

I almost got one a few months ago, but lenovo had one on sale with slightly better specs for $600 (CAD) less. Hopefully with some good marketing and increased sales they will be able to be a bit more competetive with price as well.
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#3
Eternit
They let you configure type and quantity of USB ports yet there is only single display option. I'm happy with integrated GPU and whatever ports there are so for my Lenovo Thinkpad offer more customization as they have always few display options. Sadly they started soldering memory on few models.
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#4
Ferrum Master
I've seen this approach years ago, like the Project Ara. Also many accessories.

My few cents working in the mobile industry for nearly two decades already.

These types of connectors won't work. Many tried and failed. A simple FPC with zif connector is the way and and some pretty 4 screws around in the corners, to ensure enforced ground return path for the modules and a rubber sealing in the edges to prevent dust and biological goo entering the system. Then yes, it will work. Magnetic covers, pin connectors? It doesn't work like that. The touch panel will go haywire as there will be charge accumulated between the surfaces, in conventional laptops if the bracket turns bad or mylars dry out, things like that happen. It is a touch interface. Those pins cannot handle a USB Type-C 60-100W module, that works outside of perfect conditions, it won't happen. Any tropical moisture and it will burn. Even up to day mobile phones for tropical countries are designed a bit different with additional mylars. Yes they differ, based on country sold. Nobody wants increased RMA rates.

These covers will fall off even while driving on a bumpy road.
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#5
JAB Creations
mechtechHope they do well, the laptop sector really needs a modular, user friendly design.

I almost got one a few months ago, but lenovo had one on sale with slightly better specs for $600 (CAD) less. Hopefully with some good marketing and increased sales they will be able to be a bit more competetive with price as well.
And this is exactly why the prices are high, because you refuse to support them when they absolutely need it most.
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#6
mechtech
JAB CreationsAnd this is exactly why the prices are high, because you refuse to support them when they absolutely need it most.
I did not refuse.

I did not have an extra $600 lying around. I do have 2 children and a mortgage as well. Missing a mortgage payment for a want isn't smart financially or as a responsible parent.
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#7
KellyNyanbinary
Ferrum MasterI've seen this approach years ago, like the Project Ara. Also many accessories.

My few cents working in the mobile industry for nearly two decades already.

These types of connectors won't work. Many tried and failed. A simple FPC with zif connector is the way and and some pretty 4 screws around in the corners, to ensure enforced ground return path for the modules and a rubber sealing in the edges to prevent dust and biological goo entering the system. Then yes, it will work. Magnetic covers, pin connectors? It doesn't work like that. The touch panel will go haywire as there will be charge accumulated between the surfaces, in conventional laptops if the bracket turns bad or mylars dry out, things like that happen. It is a touch interface. Those pins cannot handle a USB Type-C 60-100W module, that works outside of perfect conditions, it won't happen. Any tropical moisture and it will burn. Even up to day mobile phones for tropical countries are designed a bit different with additional mylars. Yes they differ, based on country sold. Nobody wants increased RMA rates.

These covers will fall off even while driving on a bumpy road.
The input module connectors are not magnetic, are mechanically locked, and use pogo pins to deliver 5 V 1 A. I do wonder if dust and gunk will get in the way.

The expansion bay module connector is mechanically locked down with screws.
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#8
thestryker6
mechtechI almost got one a few months ago, but lenovo had one on sale with slightly better specs for $600 (CAD) less. Hopefully with some good marketing and increased sales they will be able to be a bit more competetive with price as well.
I didn't buy a version one Framework for the same reason as you cite here since sometimes the premium is simply too high for the product. I am a little surprised there would be that much of a price disparity on the current ones though as down here in the US they're pretty price competitive (unless you ended up with a different form factor of course).
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#9
Ferrum Master
KellyNyanbinaryThe input module connectors are not magnetic, are mechanically locked, and use pogo pins to deliver 5 V 1 A. I do wonder if dust and gunk will get in the way.

The expansion bay module connector is mechanically locked down with screws.
Okay fair. Screws are good, it would mitigate electrical grounding problems. But a rubber gasket would be a good addon, and it adds almost nothing to costs.

But the most popular place when these types of pins are used are attachable keyboards, covers for AIO etc... they fail very often and look bad after being used, they brake often too. This is designed to fail, the magnetic lock system looks like a joke really a patch to a thing that should not be, laptops also bend especially keyboard, the structure does not look that rigid to have permanent connection also, you have to press touchpad buttons all the time and bend the plate.. I can imagine already the RMA rates for this... A simple ZIF with FPC with as many pins you want and it locks down better and protects the pins. If someone would state that it would be to complicated then, than opening up a gas door and not mistaking diesel for gasoline... then okay...
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#10
mechtech
thestryker6I didn't buy a version one Framework for the same reason as you cite here since sometimes the premium is simply too high for the product. I am a little surprised there would be that much of a price disparity on the current ones though as down here in the US they're pretty price competitive (unless you ended up with a different form factor of course).
I'm in Canada, and then there is 13% sales tax on top of that $600. Lenovo was having a sale at the time, so that's what increased the difference.
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#11
Zareek
200 Watts and PCIe 4.0 x8, oh my! :clap: I may have to buy one just to support them! I wonder if they'll get CM to makeone of those cases with the expansion module too! Super slim, compact and energy efficient wall mount PC with dedicated graphics anyone?
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#12
A&P211
mechtechI did not refuse.

I did not have an extra $600 lying around. I do have 2 children and a mortgage as well. Missing a mortgage payment for a want isn't smart financially or as a responsible parent.
Its ok, I got the laptop in the system specs used and without Ram and storage. I wanted to keep the price as low as possible and I also had those extra parts lying around, why send $$$ on parts that I dont need. I've used the same DDR4 laptop ram on 2 MSI laptops for the past 5yrs.
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#13
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
mechtechthen there is 13% sales tax on top of that $600
I feel your pain. In the UK the sales tax (VAT) is 20%
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#14
_JP_
Portugal, 23% VAT. This will be excruciatingly expensive without people understanding why, assuming Framework doesn't cut their slice of the revenue per unit.
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#15
GhostRyder
I have been on the fence about getting one of these 16 models mostly for the GPU support. I love the idea of modular GPU's on laptops and being able to upgrade down the line (especially because in laptops at least for me the GPU is more likely to be what gets old in it for my uses). I wish there would be more options for the GPU and hopefully down the line there will be more choices beyond one every GPU generation.
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