Arc A770: only 3% faster than a 1080ti?

[80251]

According to TPU's GPU DB: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/arc-a770.c3914

And that's ONLY if your motherboard supports resizeable BAR. That's embarrassing.

 

[chrcoluk]

Thats interesting, I thought ARC was way slower than that, 1080ti is still a respectable card.

Wonder what the price will be. I just see "coming soon" on a UK retailer I checked.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Sounds about right....




The more troubling thing about it is that the die is bigger than the 3070ti.... It also consumes around the same amount of power as the 6800.

 

[dirtyferret]

techspot reviewed it under new drivers and had it slightly above the RTX3060, not sure why it would be embarrassing though?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thats interesting, I thought ARC was way slower than that, 1080ti is still a respectable card.

Wonder what the price will be. I just see "coming soon" on a UK retailer I checked.

8GB

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dg2WGX/asrock-phantom-gaming-d-arc-a770-8-gb-video-card-a770-pgd-8go

16GB

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/VvH7YJ/acer-predator-bifrost-oc-arc-a770-16-gb-video-card-predator-bifrost-intel-arc-a770-oc

techspot reviewed it under new drivers and had it slightly above the RTX3060, not sure why it would be embarrassing though?

it was sorta embarrassing at launch due to pricing and the terrible drivers it's a little better now but it's still not overly appealing vs similar priced alternatives.

 

[dirtyferret]

Sounds about right....
The more troubling thing about it is that the die is bigger than the 3070ti.... It also consumes around the same amount of power as the 6800.

hopefully they can deliver on their battlemage promises but I'm not going to knock their first attempt at discrete GPUs against companies that have been going at it for three decades

 

[oxrufiioxo]

hopefully they can deliver on their battlemage promises but I'm not going to knock their first attempt at discrete GPUs against companies that have been going at it for three decades

Honestly if it just came out when Intel originally planned for it to it would have be fine the problem and this goes with a lot of Intel products lately everything keeps getting delayed.

 

[dirtyferret]

Honestly if it just came out when Intel originally planned for it to it would have be fine the problem and this goes with a lot of Intel products lately everything keeps getting delayed.

at the very least, Intel can keep pricing slightly honest at the mid and low tiers
Nvidia has clearly made it apparent they want to keep pricing high with $400-500 as the new entry point for mid tier performance
AMD has clearly made it apparent they are fine with their current market share and high margins

 

[oxrufiioxo]

at the very least, Intel can keep pricing slightly honest at the mid and low tiers
Nvidia has clearly made it apparent they want to keep pricing high with $400-500 as the new entry point for mid tier performance
AMD has clearly made it apparent they are fine with their current market share and high margins

Don't get me wrong I definitely want Intel to do well I'm just not going to hold my breath that they will in the GPU market. Also if it was more competitive with say a 4070 or even a 4060ti it would be a lot more expensive Intels margins are horrible right now it's only priced the way it is because performance isn't that great.

Hopefully their next gen stuff is more competitive but by the time Battlemage is likely out people will be waiting for RDNA4 and whatever replaces ADA.

 

[tussinman]

techspot reviewed it under new drivers and had it slightly above the RTX3060, not sure why it would be embarrassing though?

Yeah I don't understand the attitude, what exactly is embarrassing?

It's a first gen card that's priced accordingly. I love how he compares it to the 1080 TI but not the modern similarly priced rtx 3060 which last update was slower and had less vram.

Don't get me wrong Intel still has work to do and this card would have been a lot better if it had come 6 months prior but to simply just say it's a 1080 TI with no context is pretty absurd

 

[cmguigamf]

Don't get me wrong I definitely want Intel to do well I'm just not going to hold my breath that they will in the GPU market. Also if it was more competitive with say a 4070 or even a 4060ti it would be a lot more expensive Intels margins are horrible right now it's only priced the way it is because performance isn't that great.

Hopefully their next gen stuff is more competitive but by the time Battlemage is likely out people will be waiting for RDNA4 and whatever replaces ADA.

Don't remember where I read it, but after Battlemage (2 years after their first gen), new gens will come in a 1 year cycle. Hopefully they will catch up at some point.

I was interested in A770/A750, but there was like 10 units of those GPU in Brazil, and only one website selling them. Really odd decision from Intel to disregard a market like that.

 

[dragontamer5788]

There's two neat things about the A770:

1. Raytracing

2. 16GB of RAM

Its rasterization performance seems anemic... but on the other hand, its actually a super-cheap card.

 

[dirtyferret]

4060ti it would be a lot more expensive Intels margins are horrible right now it's only priced the way it is because performance isn't that great

Obviously if (or when) Intel has better performing cards they would be market priced but let's not forget Nvidia dropped (leaked) pricing on the RTX4060ti by 25%. Margins for the AIBs on that card may suck but Nvidia's chip margins across the board are still pretty good if they drop pricing like that. My guess is Nvidia's recent leaked announcement of a RTX4060ti 16GB has more to do with getting a card back at the $500 price point to help justify the $600 RTX 4070 (and its margins) than "hearing" the cries of the gamers saying 8GB is not enough.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Obviously if (or when) Intel has better performing cards they would be market priced but let's not forget Nvidia dropped (leaked) pricing on the RTX4060ti by 25%. Margins for the AIBs on that card may suck but Nvidia's chip margins across the board are still pretty good if they drop pricing like that. My guess is Nvidia's recent leaked announcement of a RTX4060ti 16GB has more to do with getting a card back at the $500 price point to help justify the $600 RTX 4070 (and its margins) than "hearing" the cries of the gamers saying 8GB is not enough.

Maybe I'm just cynical but I just think we will at best end up with 3 similar priced products with slightly different feature sets with Nvidia still slightly more expensive due to mind share. I'm not saying more choice is a bad thing I just don't think it will help overall pricing in the long run whatsoever.

 

[dirtyferret]

I'm not saying more choice is a bad thing I just don't think it will help overall pricing in the long run whatsoever.

That may very well be true but we already know what pricing is like without a competitive Intel. With a competitive Intel, they can be truly ruthless and I do believe Nvidia fears them more than AMD, hence pushing the RT and DLSS. If they can close the gap, perhaps we get a performance for our dollar war? Perhaps we get a market share war that forces Nvidia and AMD to liquidate chips at lower prices? All I know is Intel has a ways to go and hopefully they keep at it before pressure from their stock holders force them to abandon discrete GPUs.

 

[80251]

I'd hate for Intel to give up, but releasing your top flight videocard in 2023 that only has the perf. of a near 6-year old Nvidia GPU is EMBARRASSING, after all, this is Intel we're talking about here not S3 or Matrox.

 

[dirtyferret]

I'd hate for Intel to give up, but releasing your top flight videocard in 2023 that only has the perf. of a near 6-year old Nvidia GPU is EMBARRASSING, after all, this is Intel we're talking about here not S3 or Matrox.

it offers similar performance to a mid tier card launched two years ago. if the roles were reversed and Nvidia was coming out with a desktop CPU that offered Ryzen 5600x / Intel i5 12400 performance than people would be pleasantly surprised as most people would have expected Intel Celeron type performance. I would also say most people would hope Nvidia would keep at it and try to close the performance gap with future generations.

 

[Solaris17]

Yeah I don't understand the attitude, what exactly is embarrassing?

Nothing they are in love with the 1080ti and anything released afterward is a bad value or worse in some way, going by previous posts anyway.

The ARC cards perform way better now than they did with release drivers and weren’t meant to compete against this generation because of their lateness to market that hurt them. Would they still have been our saving grace? Nope but they would have contended with the like 4 GPUs available when we needed GPUs the most.

in that way imo is the only way in which they missed the mark. I am happy they are competing they are modest cards for modest budgets accessible to the majority of gamers.

I hope battlemage brings them more success and I hope their connections to manufacturers and distributors improves.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah I don't understand the attitude, what exactly is embarrassing?

This. What's wrong with the 1080 Ti?

 

[Space Lynx]

I think it will be interesting to see what Intel can do in 1-3 years with the ARC line of gpu's for desktop. I think we will see some good jumps, they were just getting their feet wet here.

 

[AusWolf]

I'd hate for Intel to give up, but releasing your top flight videocard in 2023 that only has the perf. of a near 6-year old Nvidia GPU is EMBARRASSING, after all, this is Intel we're talking about here not S3 or Matrox.

You see a card that is 6 years old. I see a card that still plays modern games with high settings despite being 6 years old.

 

[cmguigamf]

Also, one thing is certain: the design on their Limited Editions is pretty cool.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Also, one thing is certain: the design on their Limited Editions is pretty cool.

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I do really like the way the LE cards look intel hit that out of the park at least aesthetically which I know is subjective but yeah,

 

[80251]

You see a card that is 6 years old. I see a card that still plays modern games with high settings despite being 6 years old.

Maybe at 1080p, but not at 1440p, not anymore.

 

[AusWolf]

Maybe at 1080p, but not at 1440p, not anymore.

Sure, but let's not forget that the A770 is nowhere near a high-end card. For the 300-ish quid it costs, I wouldn't complain.