Do you use Linux?

[gurusmi]

Yes Ubuntu as a server OS, have kdi plasma for gui.

You never have worked as a educated Admin on standard Unix Servers like Solaris, HP UX or AIX do you? There is the point where Wannabes and knowing people seperates. As a Admin one dont use a gui as with a gui need of resources ar much higher than working on a plain console. Also a console can always be opened via Telnet etc. without the need of starting a X-Server.

If in my company an Admin would open even one KDE Session to configure the server that guy would not be working for my company any longer. I don't use to work with amateurs.

 

[bug]

You never have worked as a educated Admin on standard Unix Servers like Solaris, HP UX or AIX do you? There is the point where Wannabes and knowing people seperates. As a Admin one dont use a gui as with a gui need of resources ar much higher than working on a plain console. Also a console can always be opened via Telnet etc. without the need of starting a X-Server.

If in my company an Admin would open even one KDE Session to configure the server that guy would not be working for my company any longer. I don't use to work with amateurs.

I'm a big fan of the CLI, but I don't see why you'd fire someone for starting a GUI when available.
For routine tasks, yes, you can do pretty much remotely, ssh-ing into the machine and getting all the diagnostics you need. But for a home server or smth like that, firing up a GUI session should be no problem.

 

[AusWolf]

I can't vote on this poll yet. My answer is currently "on my smartphone in the form of Android", but that might change if Windows continues down the path of turning into a massive spyware with no Start menu.

 

[unwind-protect]

You never have worked as a educated Admin on standard Unix Servers like Solaris, HP UX or AIX do you? There is the point where Wannabes and knowing people seperates. As a Admin one dont use a gui as with a gui need of resources ar much higher than working on a plain console. Also a console can always be opened via Telnet etc. without the need of starting a X-Server.

If in my company an Admin would open even one KDE Session to configure the server that guy would not be working for my company any longer. I don't use to work with amateurs.

Actually the first Unix like OS I used that had GUI tools for administration was Solaris 2.x (aka SunOS 5.x).

 

[bug]

Actually the first Unix like OS I used that had GUI tools for administration was Solaris 2.x (aka SunOS 5.x).

I'm pretty sure he's talking about servers that run headless and where adding X just to manage them only increases the attack surface for potential attackers. And in that case, he's right.

 

[unwind-protect]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about servers that run headless and where adding X just to manage them only increases the attack surface for potential attackers. And in that case, he's right.

Yes.

I'm just clarifying that GUI admin tools didn't come along with some Linux desktop.

 

[gurusmi]

I'm a big fan of the CLI, but I don't see why you'd fire someone for starting a GUI when available.
For routine tasks, yes, you can do pretty much remotely, ssh-ing into the machine and getting all the diagnostics you need. But for a home server or smth like that, firing up a GUI session should be no problem.

I talked about professional systems. And for your information. A GUI has to be installed first. With that you open more possible paths to threaten you. Also that GUI needs a lot of resources. It seems that i worked much to long inside the FinTech/Telecommunication/MedTech/BioTech/pharmaceutcal branch to ignore the threats ans resource usage. As Homeserver i use a simple 64TB NAS. I don't pay additional for additional hardware for a Admin that needs a mouse to configure a server. If one needs that he's wrong in my company. He is also wrong at my site if he wants to have home office.

Actually the first Unix like OS I used that had GUI tools for administration was Solaris 2.x (aka SunOS 5.x).

The first Server i used was a PS/2 Tower with OS/2, Communication server, and a DB/2 connection in the 80'ies. For those Clients/Servers i wrote in behalf of IBM Germany installers in RexX. Later i had a beta rollout at a big german Bank in behalf of Reuters on a x-less Solaris System (order routing). I never needed a X-Frontend to install/configure a server.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about servers that run headless and where adding X just to manage them only increases the attack surface for potential attackers. And in that case, he's right.

You're right. I might be a bit sensitive on security. But in the branches i worked in it is more normal. I.e. I had a roll Out Project for new AantiVirus-Systems on all the 250 Mail servers of Daimler (Mercedes, Daimler,...).

 

[SomeOne99h]

Yes Ubuntu as a server OS, have kdi plasma for gui.

My what a pain it can be at times.

The underlying OS is solid but the admin and general use of it is serious pain.

That's why Windows has dominated despite being crap and getting worse through the last 10 years.

Wouldn't surprise me if a more useable version of Linux comes eventually as Android has done in the mobile space.

If Linux stayed as it is now. Then I see Android (MacOSX too) existed as the solution to provide accessible and friendly Linux for non-tech savvys like me and Space Lynx.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

I checked out this website, but honestly I found the graphs hard to read and so I didn't get much from it. can someone just tell me which OS is fastest on avg game compare for 7900 xt or xtx?

Clear Linux combined with bspwm is normally the fastest Linux for gaming in terms of fps.
I think you can also use F2FS instead of EXT4, which normally makes your load times much faster, although F2FS is riskier than EXT4 for data loss.

Clear Linux + bspwm + F2FS is normally the fastest Linux setup in terms of performance. Although I'm not 100% sure because EXT4 performs exceptionally well on Clear Linux.

But it is anyway useful to know for gamers that F2FS can load games very fast:

https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1901053-SP-LINUX421F77&sha=042863d&p=2

https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1901053-SP-LINUX421F77&sha=87c01c6&p=2

https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1901053-SP-LINUX421F77&sha=d1dd811&p=2

https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1901053-SP-LINUX421F77&sha=48f8de1&p=2

https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1901053-SP-LINUX421F77&sha=28274b5&p=2

 

[Ferrum Master]

Linux 6.3 already brang many EXT4 I/O tweaks, the difference margin is like splitting hairs.

I kinda anchored on it as being most universal.

 

[Space Lynx]

Linux 6.3 already brang many EXT4 I/O tweaks, the difference margin is like splitting hairs.

I kinda anchored on it as being most universal.

so what your saying is, when Clear Linux gets its 6.3 update, it will be God Tier Gaming OS?

 

[Solaris17]

Actually the first Unix like OS I used that had GUI tools for administration was Solaris 2.x (aka SunOS 5.x).

I miss my ultra sparc

 

[Ferrum Master]

so what your saying is, when Clear Linux gets its 6.3 update, it will be God Tier Gaming OS?

Nay... I've tried Clear Linux two times and I somehow managed to brake it fast, or something was broken. I was on nvidia back then, so it comes with the territory lol

But now... I am on Fedora on desktop/Gaming and plain Debian server for home NAS/WEB Servers/PHOTO HOST/various remote GIT COMPILES/DIYHUE Server . I keep going in circles for like two decades and still return to Fedora as main driver, as it has always been the most stable for me.

I miss my ultra sparc

 

[unwind-protect]

SPARC yes, but with SunOS 4.x. BSD forever!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Unless you use NVidia's drivers. They never drop features.

Depends if you are talking about a ported game or one running on Wine/Proton. It came up in another thread somewhere that companies might not include all features when porting.
However, the Windows version running on a translation layer "should" be feature-complete.

 

[bug]

You're right. I might be a bit sensitive on security. But in the branches i worked in it is more normal. I.e. I had a roll Out Project for new AantiVirus-Systems on all the 250 Mail servers of Daimler (Mercedes, Daimler,...).

As you should be. Thankfully, these days we have Docker that makes that task easier (not by itself, mind you).
It's just that not all servers need that much care. Some may reside within a network that's already protected from outside intrusion, some may simply not hold data that is too sensitive.

Fwiw, a few weeks ago I had to analyze why our front-end server was affected by a libx11 vulnerability. Since we're not supposed to be using X over there, I did exactly what you said and rebuilt that image without any X component at all.

Actually the first Unix like OS I used that had GUI tools for administration was Solaris 2.x (aka SunOS 5.x).

Before that, there was SGI...

 

[gurusmi]

As you should be. Thankfully, these days we have Docker that makes that task easier (not by itself, mind you).
It's just that not all servers need that much care. Some may reside within a network that's already protected from outside intrusion, some may simply not hold data that is too sensitive.

Fwiw, a few weeks ago I had to analyze why our front-end server was affected by a libx11 vulnerability. Since we're not supposed to be using X over there, I did exactly what you said and rebuilt that image without any X component at all.


Before that, there was SGI...

It's like open the big door of a barn directly at a highway when one installs all the S*it like X, KDE,... My Servers are mainly inside my secured network. Only a few workers have access to the internet. All inbound mails are checked for Hyüerlinks and if found one the Link is made unusable. In the company my servers don't need to be administered 24/7. The ERP used in my company is written by me. I used FreePascal/Lazarus. So i'm far away from being in interest by any hacker. They would have to invest much to much time to break into my systems. I hadn't had a security issue since years.

Nowadays there are much to much libraries used. The programmers use those libraries and trust them. One big reason why there is so much cyber crime around. Also all that cloud-S*it is far away from being healthy for security.

 

[RodLenovoW540]

Got a Lenovo W540 for the right price , put 32 Gig ram in it , 500gig Boot drive and a 3TB files disk , it runs Ubuntu Mint 21 (Victoria) ,Optical is DVD / Blueray ( old dvd collection) it is all I need now , I don't play games anymore so this ThinkPad is fine . ,

 

[lexluthermiester]

Depends if you are talking about a ported game or one running on Wine/Proton. It came up in another thread somewhere that companies might not include all features when porting.
However, the Windows version running on a translation layer "should" be feature-complete.

Very good point. I think the context being discussed earlier was the WINE/Proton simulation layer thing, and in that context, the NVidia driver for the win!

 

[unwind-protect]

However, the Windows version running on a translation layer "should" be feature-complete.

No, I don't think that running a Windows binary guarantees that you run the same graphics features. With the NVidia binary driver, sure. But Mesa might have a couple of unimplemented graphics features that are silently skipped and hence speed up rendering.

 

[remixedcat]

Linux is a MAIN coon cat

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Well openSUSE didnt work out. For whatever reason, I broke my install, and could only get a GRUB menu.

So I swapped for manjaro. Seems to be a lot more stable then Mint was, although I still have weird performance issues with factorio.

No, I don't think that running a Windows binary guarantees that you run the same graphics features. With the NVidia binary driver, sure. But Mesa might have a couple of unimplemented graphics features that are silently skipped and hence speed up rendering.

I cant say I've ever seen that. The last time I used an nvidia card with linux was the GTX 770, on the first release of steam for linux, before AMDGPU.

God those were dark days. Everyone has collectively forgotten how rotten AMD on linux used to be.

 

[bug]

Well openSUSE didnt work out. For whatever reason, I broke my install, and could only get a GRUB menu.

GRUB menu is all you need. You can fix everything from there

But seriously, switching distro just because you botched something? You're going to run out of distros. Fast.

 

[DeanoVIP]

I've used it in the past as my main system and there was so much I liked about it. But I game a lot and while proton, bottles, Lutris were fantastic, there was generally little issues with certain games, or dips in performance. Then comes the time to sometimes tweak things where as Windows just worked for this type of thing and required less of my time to make it run and have a better overall gaming experience. From a workflow point of view I could actually say I found Linux better, more customisation to suit my needs and workflow. If Only I could wrap Windows gaming, Mac look and feel and Linux customisation and workflow... damn that would be one hell of an OS.

 

[bug]

I've used it in the past as my main system and there was so much I liked about it. But I game a lot and while proton, bottles, Lutris were fantastic, there was generally little issues with certain games, or dips in performance. Then comes the time to sometimes tweak things where as Windows just worked for this type of thing and required less of my time to make it run and have a better overall gaming experience. From a workflow point of view I could actually say I found Linux better, more customisation to suit my needs and workflow.

The moment I realized I don't really have time to game anymore was the moment I switched to Linux as my main driver. So many distros out there, there must be somethign that will fit your needs.

If Only I could wrap Windows gaming, Mac look and feel and Linux customisation and workflow... damn that would be one hell of an OS.

If you use KDE, you can make that resemble anything, including the Mac look and feel. And while SteamOS is Arch-based, I'm not sure how much of its magic is available for other distros. So yeah, gaming may still be a bridge too far.