Ratings system needs to be improved

[Carillon]

I almost never click on the angry red face because it's poorly defined. Does it say "I agree and that makes me angry" or "I don't agree and you make me angry"? Same with sad or ha-ha.

Technically the angry face means you like the post, since it is an option under the like button

 

[Wirko]

Technically the angry face means you like the post, since it is an option under the like button

Then it can also mean "I like to be angry, and you just made my day".

 

[Deleted member 57642]

Those smilies are a bloody stone cold classic, some of the last remnants of the Old Internet. I don’t think they should be removed or updated, the TPU is fairly refreshingly old-school in how it works and runs.

Wasn't suggesting their removal - more like an update - which includes modern Emojis as well. If you check the entire list - there's just one static smiley in there from the newer models (2010+ version) - which looks kinda lost in there on its own, as in...

After all, the forum interface is rather modern (XenForo 2010 - 2020). Even comes with a .Gif search/add function - which for a single line/response is far more expressive than an emoji, as in...

disagree - if you simply disagree, perhaps without negative connotations

stupid - if you think the poster posts dumb trash/misinformation

shit - essentially for everything else, i.e. an opinion that perhaps is not stupid, but extremely edgy, cringe or
otherwise repulsive, or a picture of one's amazing build that looks like thousands of other.

I've thought for a long time there should either be a face palm or smh reaction emoji.

 

[Veseleil]

Wasn't suggesting their removal - more like an update - which includes modern Emojis as well. If you check the entire list - there's just one static smiley in there from the newer models (2010+ version) - which looks kinda lost in there on its own, as in...

After all, the forum interface is rather modern (XenForo 2010 - 2020). Even comes with a .Gif search/add function - which for a single line/response is far more expressive than an emoji, as in...

disagree - if you simply disagree, perhaps without negative connotations

stupid - if you think the poster posts dumb trash/misinformation

shit - essentially for everything else, i.e. an opinion that perhaps is not stupid, but extremely edgy, cringe or
otherwise repulsive, or a picture of one's amazing build that looks like thousands of other.

I've thought for a long time there should either be a face palm or smh reaction emoji.

A few of my favourites:

I need a drink (made this myself)

Confused

Don't

Good

You make it simple

Tell me about it

 

[Courier 6]

A few of my favourites:

I need a drink (made this myself)
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Confused
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Don't
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Good
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You make it simple
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Tell me about it
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LOL! looks like my cat, my buddy Tufão

 

[DaemonForce]

It lacks negative responses. What if a poster posts garbage? His opinions are dumb? His information is completely incorrect?

Then ignore and move on. In an era where doomscrolling has put us in perma-ADHD mode is it that hard to click?
I've put one guy on ignore since yesterday. Problem solved.

Many people are childish. Others are impatient. I'd predict an overuse of negative emoji's. I'd also predict a lot of reports from people upset about getting 'poo'ed on.

Yes. ✓ Welcome to the Internets.

that would be a moderator's job isnt it? to stomp out the trolling posts

There is a difference between doing a moderator's job and just piling on more work for moderators all because someone got the jaggies coming here to get their ADHD fix. It's bad business.

You'd end up with "low quality" post equivalents for factual statements that made someone upset.

There used to be lots of this in other places that didn't have these post reacts. This is the first forum where I've seen any of them though. Reminds me of Discord spam. Tons of social media things have react systems with Like/いいね and that used to be the norm. Digg, Faceberg, Scamtube and a whole other universe of garbage started with Like buttons and cement their cringe placement in this world with a tier list of emotes, often in some order that resembles that by at least 50%.

Some site managers have observed this event and learned from the problems that it causes. LinkedIn doesn't have negative reacts or anything hostile that would make HR screech to the moon. Insta and Void have the react and that's all. Don't ask me about LUE, TumBlog or twitter. Those places are examples of failure when you don't gatekeep the cancer or containing the cancer is the entire purpose of the site and just like Leddit protestors, the moment containment breach starts, they start invading other parts of the Internet where they clearly do NOT belong. We do not vibe with their systems or else we would be there.

I personally don't care for any of it. The only thing that probably deserves a change for the sake of English is changing the Like link into React. That's it. That's the only issue.
Anything more kicks off the transformation of turning this nice quiet Internet hidey hole into another tech junk food social media disaster like LTT. We have enough bots.
If it were up to me I would change all the react emotes into rabbits and let all the terminally online autists struggle to figure out if that context is good or bad.

Ya'll think too much.

 

[AusWolf]

Hi man!

Seen a lot of you for a year I was lurking around this forum. Said positively: definitely like you.

I also want to thank you for replying, and taking consideration, although I wouldn't expect any less.

I do have something to reply. In fact, I did all along.

Emotions cannot be dictated by rationales. They are there. Of course, you can easily stop yourself and think otherwise, but if that was what most people do, then Emojis wouldn't exist, nevertheless the social contract binding them within circumstances.

But of course I agree with you: what's there to be emotional ABOUT? And I agree with your downright solutions where emotions would pose you a problem. But do they?

Before you'd even think of doing that or doing nothing at all about it, you might feel frustration, or anger. Then rationalize it. And when you do, all the power to you. I've seen indeed you being quite regular in your replies even through the most heated discussions. But still you do feel them before you act. That's what Emojis basically elicit. And once we have some of them, we use them before we even think much in most settings. Hence why I think TPU has the good solution for its circumstances: nothing overly negative keeps things flowing, and identifies trolling more quickly since if someone really has ungrounded or downright stupid beef with any subject, he'll have no choice but to speak, thus identifying himself. And just as so, someone with correct knowledge and proofs at hand will take the bait to answer to the troll.

I agree with you on that. And I don't think it's easy to make this point here, so I'll work this down up.

Let's suppose TPU without any "rating" Emoji. In any negative way these could be going, it wouldn't change anyone's day: either your indifferent to the subject, or the troll response, or either you FEEL something. It isn't true that we'll put someone to question because we don't feel anything at all about it. If we don't, then we don't CARE. And if we don't CARE then we don't answer to the feeling because there was none. BTW, before you tell me I don't feel anything when I answer a question/step in argument to help someone/the community, wrong again. As I just said, if you didn't CARE, you wouldn't help someone. The feeling doesn't need to be negative - often times it's the desire to help or to make things/info right. If we really go into it, it's often strongly mixed with the pride to know better, and/or the love for the subject itself. But hey, let's not go there. Let's just say there is a swelling that makes us care to give an answer. In that sense, if TPU didn't have "rating" Emojis it would be a bit dry since then we couldn't easily "Like" anytime someone has already done that or expanded the subject further. We wouldn't have "Love" when we really connect with something that has been said, or that it seems just the thing that needed to be said in an argument, or that it brings in something unexpected and right to a subject. We couldn't even "Laugh" the funniest joke that made our day. All these things my friend are feelings, and you'll click those "rating" Emojis without even thinking twice.... unless you need to do. And then yes, decide you'd rather not click anything but answer. It may still be positive, but often times, somethings goes against your grain there. And for many people, if you leave negative Emojis to react, they'll use them. But as we don't, we need to answer. Same when YOU don't want to let emotions dictate your response, especially negative but even at times positive - you'll indeed avoid them reactions shortcuts and go straight at "the beef".

And well if you deny that, I cannot argument anything else. I'll concede to the fact I won't win any heart against any good and contributive member of a tech Forum I just joined on stuff like feeling and psychology.

But after I do post this answer, I'll go and "react" to your post.

A well constructed reply - thanks for taking the time.

You are right about one thing: IT is our hobby, or work, or both, so of course we care. I'm not saying that we shouldn't. Care manifests itself in many ways. In you replying to my post, in me replying to yours, in us reading articles and forming our opinions on the subject matter, in helping others in need, etc. That's all very nice. Liking posts that we agree with is also nice, as it makes the forum a lot less cluttered with single-word replies, and easier for others to see which is the more popular side in a discussion.

It is NOT the same thing as a negative emoji, though. If you agree with my post, give it a like, and we'll move on. If you don't like it, though, you have two options: you can ignore it and carry on, or you can comment on it. Expressing instinctual, animalistic, instant negative emotions about something doesn't make me better informed about your point of view, and will definitely not change my mind about anything. Based on your elaborate response, I am 100% sure that you are not a child, and your words and actions have some sort of rationale behind them. If you think I'm wrong about something, you're not only free to express your disagreement, but I also ask you to, as learning from it (or at least about it) makes my perspective broader as well. If someone IS a child, though, and all they can do is express negative emotion by clicking on an angry face, then I'm not interested in that person's mindset, and I don't think that the majority of our fellow forum members are, either. I'm not here to react to others reacting to me. That's what animals do. I'm here to learn and share.

TLDR: We are here for educated discussions, and not to throw mindless emotions at each other. This latter course of action doesn't do anybody any good.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Well you know a site is overboard when insert gif is on it
I'd say it's more abused than any reaction emoji

 

[Icon Charlie]

Do not want to see any additional changes. This is one of the charming features that the forum has. The majority of people are pretty civil here. I don't want this forum to remind me of the many uncivilized forums that are available to those...

Underground
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[QcRMoD]

A well constructed reply - thanks for taking the time.

You are right about one thing: IT is our hobby, or work, or both, so of course we care. I'm not saying that we shouldn't. Care manifests itself in many ways. In you replying to my post, in me replying to yours, in us reading articles and forming our opinions on the subject matter, in helping others in need, etc. That's all very nice. Liking posts that we agree with is also nice, as it makes the forum a lot less cluttered with single-word replies, and easier for others to see which is the more popular side in a discussion.

It is NOT the same thing as a negative emoji, though. If you agree with my post, give it a like, and we'll move on. If you don't like it, though, you have two options: you can ignore it and carry on, or you can comment on it. Expressing instinctual, animalistic, instant negative emotions about something doesn't make me better informed about your point of view, and will definitely not change my mind about anything. Based on your elaborate response, I am 100% sure that you are not a child, and your words and actions have some sort of rationale behind them. If you think I'm wrong about something, you're not only free to express your disagreement, but I also ask you to, as learning from it (or at least about it) makes my perspective broader as well. If someone IS a child, though, and all they can do is express negative emotion by clicking on an angry face, then I'm not interested in that person's mindset, and I don't think that the majority of our fellow forum members are, either. I'm not here to react to others reacting to me. That's what animals do. I'm here to learn and share.

TLDR: We are here for educated discussions, and not to throw mindless emotions at each other. This latter course of action doesn't do anybody any good.

Well, I never said I wanted negative Emojis. My point which you argued first is that there are feelings behind our motivation to participate at all, and from there, Emojis are meant to be a quick way to share these as well as rate something. I wouldn't like it so much around here if there were negative options strong enough to really throw a post down.

Having one to express doubt and a need to intellectually evaluate what has been said there carefully wouldn't go amiss though. But if it is needed is another question entirely. I agreed with you that the actual system forces an intelligible response to be formed, and then inevitably, we know what we're facing when someone is going to be negative instead of argumentative.

Recently I went through the whole 18 pages of the "24GB vRAM really needed" thread... the explanations had been given... by a lot of folks... but it kept going on and on, so soon some reverted to laughing out the additional, by then very impolite, posts by the "troll". But let's suppose someone peruses that thread looking for some clue, without reading the whole of it. Without being negative, an emoji expressing that there's something not factual about what's said would help. If a post gathers like 12 reactions from various folks all expressing those concerns without wanting to push the discussion that has already been pushed far enough, could help someone passing by realize that the post, even if it seems articulated into facts, needs to be assessed.

The only thing I ever said from there is that I like this one...

Does it need to be there, well I'll defer on you for that more than myself, since I have very little experience participating into discussions around here.

So I am not suggesting it. Just like it, as explained first, because it shows severity and calls for scrutiny, but it is not overly negative or aggressive. I think it stays very cool, with just that hint of self-derisiveness to not make things worst. But it does bring something better than "laughing" or "wowing": it openly express we'd like this member to recheck his facts/look at what has been said and proved, or just stop with the nonsensical debate with no grounds.

Thanks!

A few of my favourites:

I need a drink (made this myself)
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Confused
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Don't
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Good
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You make it simple
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Tell me about it
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It's perfect!

 

[wolf]

Otherwise the forum would just become herd mentality, with no need to justify statements. Some newb could come into a thread, see potentially true information having negative votes, and just go with whatever group think is popular. Better for them to be presented with information they can weigh and consider

From where I'm sitting the laugh react is usually the one used as a negative emoji anyway, where the use is to show disapproval/find it laughable of whatever the person has said, and sometimes that shoe does seem to fit. Some people just aren't worth arguing with, hey sometimes that might even be me to other people, I don't really care, but that's how I see the laugh react being deployed. might be 1 in 10 I see used for posts actually making an effort to be humorous. Perhaps an eyeroll emoji would be fitting, but it would indeed be used the way many people in this discussion have said and it likely won't help the discussion, when people spew bs or a 'bad take', you just need to tell them why/how etc it's bs or bad and then let that all stand as a record for all to see that the subject is divisive, or there are other schools of thought, and not just one bafoon with 30 reacts being 'correct'. Lord knows I've gotten into a few of those when I've found information to be incorrect, unqualified, illogical etc.

 

[Space Lynx]

In the headphone world when that used to be a big hobby of mine, I used to tell people the following:

There is no such thing as a bad headphone amp, it's all about pairing. I found some really unique rare pairings that no one else ever thought of, and the amp and headphone really complimented each other.

I personally believe its best to focus on the positive, be open minded, and most things are so subjective anyway there is no reason to be negative directly. For example, my Logitech 2.1 THX 400w speakers, most say these are mediocre at best, but to me they sound amazing through my modi 3 dac. It is what it is, I like them and that's that.

 

[wolf]

It is what it is, I like them and that's that.

I have no issues with people having an opinion, but many could stand to actually phrase them like an opinion rather than like facts, and help that along by giving context, like you just did in your post for DAV/Speaker pairing. When people state opinions as if they're universal facts that apply to all/most etc, it gets murky due to the way they presented the information.

And then you can also get some really average arguments based on opinions and experiences that are say, outdated for example. ie take the age old "AMD Drivers suck" that manages to not die - I'd wager the vast vaaast majority of current AMD users would disagree with that, and that sweeping statement is not exactly useful information for anyone currently using an AMD card is it? yet we still see it stated across the internet as if it's a fact that's current. If that was worded more like, "in 2013 when I last used XYZ AMD card, I had driver issue ABC", that's at least worded like an opinion/experience not a fact, and is more useful in context than spewing negativity because someone feels like it/has an axe to grind/has an agenda/likes to stir crap.

I doubt the introduction of a negative emoji or three would make situations like that any better, get those typing fingers warmed up.

 

[Dirt Chip]

As a general though, I think that if you want a really open forum that encourage debate and other opinions you need to add negative reactions option to be able to counter any positive emoji.
If not, you practically controlling the narrative of the form and to some extent directing\forcing it to the positive side. A bit like that YouTuber who ask for like&sub whether his contact is good or not.

Having said that, one must not be naive to think that debaters will use such a negative opportunity (dislike, broken hearted ect.) only to show reall reaction and not to flame, annoy and vandet others on a personal level.

And with that, you must consider the variety of people in the form and how childish they tend to be, in order to balance their ability to ruin the debate and whole forum.

Somewhat just like democracy that, if not properly defend itself, can and will be used by it's own people to eliminate itself, eventually.

So maybe add the ability to negative reactions, but do it differently based on the user record in the forum. So you can react negatively only a set number of time, based on how active you are: massages\day, membership time, number of positions response relative to number of massages and\or other factors. also, always keep the ability to 'down rank' (permanently or temporarily) highly acclaimed users who 'woke on the wrong side' that day or just took the Fukitol pill and gone rogue.

 

[AusWolf]

As a general though, I think that if you want a really open forum that encourage debate and other opinions you need to add negative reactions option to be able to counter any positive emoji.
If not, you practically controlling the narrative of the form (to some extent) directing it to the positive side.

I respectfully disagree. If you feel negatively about something, you should be able to articulate why. Having a vast array of negative emojis at your disposal encourages the opposite, leading to the devolution of civilised discourse into one-way pseudo-communication by throwing angry faces at others. I'd much rather have a rational debate about anything than engage in some basic, animalistic, never-ending rage battle.

I do think emotions have their time and place. I also think that an online tech forum is not one of them.

 

[Space Lynx]

I honestly think we only need one more emoji, maybe a squinty face with a couple question marks? For when we are confused by something.

Angry is negative imo, as it is irrational and blocks Virtue the highest good. so we already have a negative in my eyes.

 

[dgianstefani]

I honestly think we only need one more emoji, maybe a squinty face with a couple question marks? For when we are confused by something.

Angry is negative imo, as it is irrational and blocks Virtue the highest good. so we already have a negative in my eyes.

Anger isn't inherently negative. You can have "righteous" anger. You can also have rational anger. In certain situations you can also have a kind of calm anger. It's an emotion that can compel action, good or bad.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I respectfully disagree. If you feel negatively about something, you should be able to articulate why. Having a vast array of negative emojis at your disposal encourages the opposite, leading to the devolution of civilised discourse into one-way pseudo-communication by throwing angry faces at others. I'd much rather have a rational debate about anything than engage in some basic, animalistic, never-ending rage battle.

I do think emotions have their time and place. I also think that an online tech forum is not one of them.

I guess you read the rest of my post, saying you should enable negative in a controlled manner, according to each user record, to keep the general positivenes of the forum.

I would like to see the opinion for negative responses as I think this forum is mature enough to handle it.
Many times I do a ‘like’ to a post and than keep replaying and adding to that positive response by writing. I can see myself do the same thing with ‘dislike’.


I think that in a forum where you exchange opinions and debate with strong arguments (and it’s irrelevant if it’s about food, cars, politics, tech religion or so) emojis in general and negative ones as well have their place. Emojis are well based, widely spread non-verbal way of communication and in a sense (imo) is part of the general advancement like the tech advancement we discuss here. They come from and are heading to the ‘same direction’. But allow it as long as it used in a way that doesn’t make people stop posting in that forum and keep it on the positive side of the map.

edit: I accidentally post before finishing so do re read if the end seems off..

 

[P4-630]

I would like to see the opinion for negative responses as I think this forum is mature enough to handle it.

TPU tried this some time ago, it wasn't a success.. So W1zz decided no longer..

 

[Wirko]

Sometimes I want to attach a "haha" or something else just to one part of a long post. Forums here don't allow that, and I can't t even imagine an elegant, not cluttered solution. Does it exist at all, in any forum software?

I would like to see the opinion for negative responses as I think this forum is mature enough to handle it.

Well... if 90% of people are mature enough 90% of the time, that calculates to 81%. Not good enough.

 

[Dirt Chip]

TPU tried this some time ago, it wasn't a success.. So W1zz decided no longer..

Guess I wasn’t around back then.
It doesn’t surprise me it didn’t do well, very easily it can be abused.
Anyway, if the effort to make a balanced positive-negative system is to big and you may cancel it out after a few months of use than leave it like that.

If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it…

 

[P4-630]

A while ago TPU tried to do something like tweakers but it wasn't a success and so it's no longer...

Google-developer publiceert tool die meldt als Chrome-extensie overgenomen wordt

Een softwareontwikkelaar van Google heeft een Chrome-extensie gepubliceerd die gebruikers waarschuwt als geïnstalleerde extensies van eigenaar veranderen. Als er iets verandert aan de eigenaarsinformatie, wordt er een rode waarschuwingsbadge getoond bij het extensie-icoontje.

tweakers.net

 

[Dirt Chip]

Well... if 90% of people are mature enough 90% of the time, that calculates to 81%. Not good enough.

Maybe it was more my hope than my thinking that we are mature enough

 

[xtreemchaos]

there are so many negatives in this world we don't need another. all's good as is.

 

[P4-630]

all's good as is.

Yup and the poll says it too...