Samsung B-Die trying for 4000mhz

oobymach · Aug 12, 2022

As title says I'm trying to get a kit of B-Dies to run at 4000mhz, currently have them p95ing happily at 3800 but every attempt so far at 4000 has workers failing instantly in p95 so I'm hoping the community can provide some zentimings grabs for 4000mhz on a 16gb kit so I can compare voltages etc. and try and figure out why I can't get them to 4000.

The kit in question is a 4400mhz kit (pvs416g440c9k) so 4000 should be doable, also I had my 32gb kit running at 4000mhz (its max speed) with 2000fclk p95 stable before swapping kits so I know it can be done.

Llun · Aug 12, 2022

Try these... my Samsung B-die kit can do CL16 4000Mhz with 1.45v. My 5600X can do 2000 Mhz FCLK and a 1:1 with my memory. Your timings might work with 1.45v.

Note: These are not my timings.

oobymach · Aug 12, 2022

Just stumbled across this one in the Aida 64 thread, plugged in the settings and it's p95 stable so far, hasn't failed any workers doing its thing in the background.

freeagent · Aug 12, 2022

I would try bumping VSOC to 1.15-1.1675, and VDDG IOD to 1.065. With those timings maybe VDIMM to 1.45-1.475v unless that is stock

Edit:

NVM!

ir_cow · Aug 12, 2022

Ah you have that patriot 4400 kit. I have 2 of those. One kit needs 1.5v to run at xmp 4400, the other can only do 3800 CL14 with 1.5v. I consider them trash b-die. But hey they were under $100 back when b-die was all the rage and tripple the price for exact same bin from other brands.

Anyways since your at stock timings / voltage and going down in frequency, you shouldn't have to worry about the ram being unstable. I would raise the IOD voltage slightly and see if that helps. Maybe to 1.15v

oobymach · Aug 12, 2022

Yeah got them stable at 4000, here's the zentimings grab. I lowered vddp as it was almost 1.2v on auto but the rest are all on auto. TRFC 280 is as low as I can go error free at this speed, but 280 seems just fine.

ir_cow said:
Ah you have that patriot 4400 kit. I have 2 of those. One kit needs 1.5v to run at xmp 4400, the other can only do 3800 CL14 with 1.5v. I consider them trash b-die. But hey they were under $100 back when b-die was all the rage and tripple the price for exact same bin from other brands.

Anyways since your at stock timings / voltage and going down in frequency, you shouldn't have to worry about the ram being unstable. I would raise the IOD voltage slightly and see if that helps. Maybe to 1.15v

I can't recall what I paid but the kit failed after a year or 2 and I just swapped them for a 32gb kit I had and forgot about them for like a year or more before I got around to RMA.

Blaeza · Aug 12, 2022

ir_cow said:
Ah you have that patriot 4400 kit. I have 2 of those. One kit needs 1.5v to run at xmp 4400, the other can only do 3800 CL14 with 1.5v. I consider them trash b-die. But hey they were under $100 back when b-die was all the rage and tripple the price for exact same bin from other brands.

Anyways since your at stock timings / voltage and going down in frequency, you shouldn't have to worry about the ram being unstable. I would raise the IOD voltage slightly and see if that helps. Maybe to 1.15v

You haz one for me? So kind my address is...

Llun · Aug 12, 2022

These are my timings...

Zach_01 · Aug 12, 2022

To all...

While you're on those speeds check frequently for WHEA (errors) with windows event viewer

...or with HWiNFO sensors

Blaeza · Aug 12, 2022

I am so jealous of you lot with your 4000mt's. Especially at 16 - 15 timings

Zach_01 · Aug 12, 2022

Blaeza said:
I am so jealous of you lot with your 4000mt's. Especially at 16 - 15 timings

Why man? Because of the higher benchmark scores or because of the +2% in framerate?

You all have fun and try not clinging into numbers too much

Blaeza · Aug 12, 2022

Zach_01 said:
Why man? Because of the higher benchmark scores or because of the +2% in framerate?

You all have fun and try not clinging into numbers too much

You have a good point but

You know what it's like to want better. Makes you sick.

Vario · Aug 12, 2022

I've gotten some pretty nasty speeds out of my B-Die, 4300 by running C19. The way my motherboard has been lately, I don't know that I'd bother to replicate this but I was able to get a pretty DDR4 overclock frequency a few years back when I first built it:

Intel Core i5 8600K @ 4801.15 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[qpyumu] Validated Dump by Vario (2018-01-19 22:05:35) - MB: ASRock Z370 Taichi - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

from my notes I got this with 1.35V vdimm but it wasn't really stable.

I have the G.Skill 2x8GB 3200C14 TridentZ

freeagent · Aug 12, 2022

Oh yeah they are good fun

Edit:

Blaeza · Aug 12, 2022

freeagent said:
Oh yeah they are good fun

View attachment 257875

That TRFC can't be right!

Zach_01 · Aug 12, 2022

freeagent said:
Oh yeah they are good fun

View attachment 257875

VDIMM?

oobymach · Aug 12, 2022

Zach_01 said:
To all...

While you're on those speeds check frequently for WHEA (errors) with windows event viewer

...or with HWiNFO sensors

View attachment 257870

Oh look, thousands of hardware errors, guess that means it's not entirely stable.

freeagent · Aug 12, 2022

Zach_01 said:
VDIMM?

1.6ish?

Blaeza said:
That TRFC can't be right!

Toight

Blaeza · Aug 12, 2022

freeagent said:
1.6ish?

Toight

That's bonkers...

The King · Aug 12, 2022

The WHEA errors are probably nothing to do with your RAM but the Ryzen CPU IMC. If it does not crash or act weird i would just ignore it if
its WHEA 19. If it does bother you then run 3800MT with 1900 FCLK it should not throw any WHEA errors on most ZEN 3 CPUs.

Else try increasing VSOC and IOD and see if that helps to stop the WHEA 19 errors.

Zach_01 · Aug 13, 2022

oobymach said:
Oh look, thousands of hardware errors, guess that means it's not entirely stable.

View attachment 257877

Event ID 19 are warnings (as it said), not errors. But you're on the edge of it... You can see that those are coming 3-4+times/sec
Its really your call if you want to stay there or or back down a step or 2.

And you can create a custom view for WHEA in the event viewer

Deleted member 185158 · Aug 13, 2022

Blaeza said:
That's bonkers...

Nah, 1.6v is a good starting place on B-Die with tight timings and 4000mhz clocks. I run mine CL14-14-14-34 around 1.60v. Well I did when I was using a ddr4 system any ways.

I hope to soon join into DDR5 threads. Samsung has ddr5 B-die kits. Unfortunately I cannot confirm mine with Thaiphoon Burner cause it's not updated for ddr5 yet. And I'm too lazy to pull the spreaders, but cpu-z says samsung.

Blaeza · Aug 13, 2022

Sorry I've got this...

Deleted member 185158 · Aug 13, 2022

Blaeza said:
Sorry I've got this...
View attachment 257908

Corsair with SK Hynix. They scale best with loose timings and high frequency.

Have a set of cheap CHEAP PNY 2667mhz (XMP profile actually) that I was able to pull 3800mhz from.

Not sure if you saw the thread over at LTT, but I'll drop a link so you can browse it.

Memory overclock *The 70$ PNY 2666 kit

This thread is designed to help with overclocking on budget memory modules. (At your own Risk!!!) You know, the memory kits that Thaiphoon burner doesn't seem to read? (I'll show you here how to get the information. Be it complete or not....) But just to let you know, this will be a fresh start O...

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Blaeza · Aug 13, 2022

I was on 3800 and they're Micron B die. I'm going to put it back on 3800 as I had the TRFC incorrect.

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