Windows 11 General Discussion

[Onasi]

That'd probably add it with a auto script upon the first install which is possible I assume

I think that maybe Lex was also referring to performance impact and yeah, I don’t know how wise it is to waste the resources of an already limited CPU to emulate the instructions it doesn’t have just to run an unsupported OS on it. And it also depends on how MS implemented the lock. If it’s a one-time check that could be fine-ish, but if the system will regularly try to access said instructions for its processes… that would get rough.

 

[ThrashZone]

I mean, you guys are running Windows 11 on systems not officially supported, so don't complain if it suddenly breaks, it's bound to happen /shrugs
Hell, get your hands dirty and make your own workarounds.

Other than that, if you think you're leading some sort of holy crusade by running Windows 11 in a system that's not officially supported, that's just plain silly.

At the end of the day, power users, privacy-focused users, "vintage systems" users, we're all a minority in Microsoft's point of view.

And power users make a blip in the radar mostly because of enterprise and business users. Definitely not because of "consumer" users.

Hi,
AI missed my system spec's so please train AI better in the future or get off your MS script for goodness sake lol
x99 system is the oldest and just lacks a tpm chip.

 

[windwhirl]

Hi,
AI missed my system spec's so please train AI better in the future or get off your MS script for goodness sake lol
x99 system is the oldest and just lacks a tpm chip.

Maybe you should get off your own "i'm a rebel, I'm so cool" script

Anyway, do what you want, lol, realistically Microsoft doesn't care one bit what anyone of us says here.
(They rarely pay attention to whatever is sent through Feedback Hub, much less what happens here)

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah it's much better to ridicule and preach to people off MS scripts about them wanting to use older hardware on newest os's lol

Face it man some people do it for fun, some do it out of necessity, I'll not do what you do so I guess i am a rebel and that is pretty cool of me I believe

Let's install Windows 11 on incompatible hardware

Inspired on this thread: Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware - Windows 10 Help Forums Most of our machines are unsupported on Windows 11, why not force it? --------- Run Windows 11 on unsupported machines --------- 1. How to Bypass Windows 11's TPM, CPU and RAM Requirements 2...

www.elevenforum.com

 

[windwhirl]

Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this year

"Hotpatching" originated in Windows Server, cuts way down on update reboots.

arstechnica.com

Nice. Though, I doubt many people keep their systems running 24/7 without rebooting for more than a month outside of server types

 

[mtosev]

So I have question. I have a Windows 10 Pro retail/FPP license that I bought recently for my new computer that I'm hopefully buying next year. I'm planning to install Windows 11 on my new computer. Now I'm wondering if I should activate this license on my current pc that's already running Windows 11 because I'm afraid that Microsoft might pull the plug and block people from activating Windows 10 keys on Windows 11 as I want to be able to install Windows 11 on the new computer.
What should I do?

 

[P4-630]

and all these companies don't want us to own anything.

"Windows as service" as microsoft said it years ago....

 

[windwhirl]

So I have question. I have a Windows 10 Pro retail/FPP license that I bought recently for my new computer that I'm hopefully buying next year. I'm planning to install Windows 11 on my new computer. Now I'm wondering if I should activate this license on my current pc that's already running Windows 11 because I'm afraid that Microsoft might pull the plug and block people from activating Windows 10 keys on Windows 11 as I want to be able to install Windows 11 on the new computer.
What should I do?

Considering how long it took Microsoft to stop activating Windows 11 installs using Windows 7/8 keys (they were supposed to stop in 2016, but they kept working at least until the end of last year), I doubt they're gonna stop activating Windows 11 installs using Windows 10 keys.

Windows 10 is supported until October 2025 at least. Microsoft won't stop activating Windows 11 installs with Windows 10 keys at least until then, if not until years later. So you have time.

 

[mtosev]

Thanks. That was the answer I wanted to hear.

 

[remixedcat]

"Windows as service" as microsoft said it years ago....

another reason I switched to linux

 

[lexluthermiester]

"Windows as service" as microsoft said it years ago....

Screw that. They can try to push it, entire legions of people with push back and say nope!

Considering how long it took Microsoft to stop activating Windows 11 installs using Windows 7/8 keys (they were supposed to stop in 2016, but they kept working at least until the end of last year)

What are you talking about, it still works. I did it yesterday.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

What are you talking about, it still works. I did it yesterday.

They no longer work for me either. I have a whole set of direct from Microsoft Win 7 keys that are a no go for windows 10 or 11 now.

 

[Space Lynx]

yeah I bought like 5 keys so far from TPU website here when they do the adverts for cheap win 10 or 11 keys. none of them currently work. it says this is not a genuine key when I try to activate it.

I can't wait for SteamOS to come to Desktop, ChimeraOS is already pretty damn close though. but some games like FFXIV still require me to have windows (cutscenes don't work in Linux with proton yet) but yeah 90% of everything I do I am booted into Linux.

 

[windwhirl]

What are you talking about, it still works. I did it yesterday.

Hmm, there was some commentary that it might still work depending on your install media. Basically, if your install media is from before a certain date (around September or so last year), it should still work regardless.

 

[Space Lynx]

Hmm, there was some commentary that it might still work depending on your install media. Basically, if your install media is from before a certain date (around September or so last year), it should still work regardless.

this is interesting. I wonder if this would work the keys I bought here from TPU adverts. where can I download older version? then just run update after

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Not sure why it matters 14.us get a 11 key even less for win-10

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Only bad thing I saw was using 7-8 keys that activated to 10 and people upgrading to 11 were deactivating.
Far different issue than new media rejecting them after a clean install of 10-11.

Older media well no sweat using this

UUP Dump: Download Windows 11 Insider ISO File for Any Build

You can use UUP Dump to download Windows 11 Insider ISO file for Dev channel releases that have no official installation image provided. UUP Dump is a

winaero.com

 

[mechtech]

Wow all that seems like a lot of work for what sounds like a broken OS (at default MS installation aka no tweaking)

 

[windwhirl]

this is interesting. I wonder if this would work the keys I bought here from TPU adverts. where can I download older version? then just run update after

Microsoft Ending Windows Activations Using Windows 7 and 8 Keys

For over a decade since the launch of Windows 8, Windows has had a not so well kept secret; you could activate an install using a Windows 7 key. So long as you had the correct version of the key for the install you intended to use, such as Home or Pro, plugging a Windows 7 key into a Windows 8...

www.techpowerup.com

That's the news piece from back then.

This change does not end Windows installs that are already activated with those old keys, so don't worry about losing the activation after a forced update of Windows 10 or 11, the already in service keys will carry forward. The current Windows 11 version in beta channels already includes this lockout of old keys so the changes are coming to the general public very soon. There may still be a workaround to exploit, however. If you have install media created before the lockout goes into affect you may be able to do an offline install, activate with an old key, then connect online to push the activation through to Microsoft's server. It's only a theory, but we'll see if it works after the update goes public.

Rufus seems to still download a May 2023 version of Windows 10 22H2 (at least for the English International localization), so maybe that still works since it shouldn't include any changes to the files from after that date.

As for Windows 11, the only version you get on Rufus is the one from December 2023 so this workaround might not work with that.

@lexluthermiester you said your media still works fine. Was it media built before the change Microsoft supposedly did? With the news being from September 30th 2023, I assume the change went live in the public release of Windows 11 23H2 version, so anything before that should still work fine if the news piece is to be believed. Also, do you do all your installs offline? I assume so since you don't like the forced Microsoft account login but figured I ask.

 

[R-T-B]

bypasses work

They don't on this?

I think that maybe Lex was also referring to performance impact and yeah, I don’t know how wise it is to waste the resources of an already limited CPU to emulate the instructions it doesn’t have just to run an unsupported OS on it. And it also depends on how MS implemented the lock. If it’s a one-time check that could be fine-ish, but if the system will regularly try to access said instructions for its processes… that would get rough.

Well first off it's not a lock, and yes it actually regularly calls the instruction, so...

 

[remixedcat]

They don't on this?


Well first off it's not a lock, and yes it actually regularly calls the instruction, so...

they did till ms did this crap...

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
This sounds so special hehe

Inclusive and productive Windows 11 experiences for everyone

Windows IT Pro Blog: Today we begin to release new features and enhancements to Windows 11 Enterprise—features that offer a more intuitive and user-friendly experience for both workers and IT admins. Most of these new features will be enabled by default in the March 2024 optional non-security...

www.elevenforum.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester you said your media still works fine.

With Rufus mods applied, yes.

Was it media built before the change Microsoft supposedly did?

I've used the recent ISO to no effect.

Also, do you do all your installs offline? I assume so since you don't like the forced Microsoft account login but figured I ask.

YES! Always! I never do online installs.

 

[R-T-B]

Hi,
This sounds so special hehe

Inclusive and productive Windows 11 experiences for everyone

Windows IT Pro Blog: Today we begin to release new features and enhancements to Windows 11 Enterprise—features that offer a more intuitive and user-friendly experience for both workers and IT admins. Most of these new features will be enabled by default in the March 2024 optional non-security...

www.elevenforum.com

Accessibility for "disabled", yes ThrashZone. It's not a swear word.

 

[Klemc]

Do not complain about at all Win11, bc i just installed in a VM for my firsts Win8 impressions, tbf i thinked i was dying when OS opened, W11 in comparaison id the perfection.

Also, what is a cumulative update if when install the latest ii finds a lot more afterwards in WAU, (38+71):

 

[windwhirl]

Also, what is a cumulative update if when install the latest ii finds a lot more afterwards in WAU, (38+71):

Cumulative updates only remove from the list updates from before the cumulative update that are covered by the cumulative update (If I recall correctly, back in the day Windows updates were usually released as separate items covering specific aspects of the operating system, so you had your general Windows update, your security update, your Internet Explorer update, ActiveX killbits, Root Certificate updates, DirectX and so on). Starting with Windows 10 all monthly Windows updates are cumulative and cover the whole system and all of its components (so you only get one or two updates a month, the general Windows update covering pretty much everything and .NET updates which seem to be released with their own schedule/criteria), which was not the case with previous versions of Windows (hence the usual "installing update 1 of 200" screens in Windows 7 after a fresh install).

Do not complain about at all Win11,

This is a Windows 11 General Discussion thread, complaints are gonna be seen here.