Bunch of nonsense in this thread. I thought there might be some useful insights here. But this, unfortunately, reads like a a bunch of mindless fan-boys arguing back and forth and offering absolutely zero intellectual value to the conversation.

NaitoWell people did the same when the R9-290/290X edged out Nvidias already aging Keplers. AMD is behind, Nvidia will just counter the 390X with something much more powerful down the track, if need be. Don't get me wrong, I want AMD to compete, I want them to still be around in the future, but at least use your commonsense.

You can thank AMD for these competitive prices because otherwise, your precious 970 would be closer to $550. I would think also the 980 would have been $699. Oh well, guess NVidia is the do no wrong good guy now.

wow.... the resell market prob just went from the toilet at Taco Bell to the the sewers of New York city...... Not that many would take the chance on a previous miner card. Might just pick one up for giggles.:)

JBVertexxBunch of nonsense in this thread. I thought there might be some useful insights here. But this, unfortunately, reads like a a bunch of mindless fan-boys arguing back and forth and offering absolutely zero intellectual value to the conversation.

You certainly didnt either so theres the door

ManofGodYou can thank AMD for these competitive prices because otherwise, your precious 970 would be closer to $550. I would think also the 980 would have been $699. Oh well, guess NVidia is the do no wrong good guy now.

The prices are already like that in AU anyway. This isn't real competition, it is an illusion. Nvidia only seems to be releasing their mid-range GPUs (GK104, GM204) when a change of architecture occurs. Nvidia knows that AMD can't compete head to head with top-tier cards, so they'll cash in on marked-up mid-tier GPUs. Months later AMD will bring out something that competes with Nvidias latest offering, then Nvidia will release something that will flatten it. It happened with the HD7970s; they could compete with the mid-tier Keplers (GK104) and even beat them with them in most cases with the Tahiti XT2, but Nvidia just released the GK110s that thrashed them. Months later, AMD could only just compete with the 290/290X series with a GPU that was essentially 11 months old (first seen in May 2012 as Telsa K20, released November that same year) . The cycle has now repeated again; Nvidia released mid-tier Maxwell that perform better than AMDs latest top-tier GPUs. So if anything, you can thank Nvidia by not releasing their top-tier GPUs and absolutely destroying AMDs offerings (there could be some sort of 'Gentleman's Agreement' going on here... we may never know). Fabrication ramp-up delays may have prevented them from doing it with the Keplers (or more likely after seeing the initial Tahiti performance, saw it wasn't cost effective scale up production so early), but a matured 28nm node wouldn't stop them now. The fact is AMD is behind with their architecture, but who can blame them? They obviously don't have the budget Nvidia has.

ManofGodYou can thank AMD for these competitive prices because otherwise, your precious 970 would be closer to $550. I would think also the 980 would have been $699. Oh well, guess NVidia is the do no wrong good guy now.

GTX 970s already are $500-$570 here in Australia, GTX 980 being $750-$900. Australia is renowned for having overpriced products though. I'm just hoping that the AMD price cuts will filter into Australia because when AMD ordered prices to be decreased (after the mining boom, I think the order was placed back in May?), Australian prices did not decrease. In fact most 280 and 290 series cards have remained at the same price level since around March/April this year. The discounts that were given to the GTX 760s and the 770, 780 and 780 Ti being discontinued have not changed prices in any of my local stores. Only one store in Australia I know of has actually decreased the price of a 780 Ti. I'm just super hopeful that these cuts will filter down or flow into Australian retail outlets because the prices are just too god damn high, even buying from Newegg and paying for international express shipping is WAY cheaper than buying locally which is also hurting Australian businesses and thus the economy.

Well, if your retail businesses are anything like your ISPs they need to stop being so damn greedy.

Dj-ElectriCWhen something that is on par to outperform a R9 290X, consume less than an R9 280X and cost 330$ - you know you are screwed.

Don't try to sugarcoat it - even if the R9 290X would magically cost 300$, most smart users will add the 30$ needed to get a dramatically more efficient product.

That is well sad, in my opinion 290X should go around $250 to just consider instead the much more efficient 970 Geforce.

Big_VultureThat is well sad, in my opinion 290X should go around $250 to just consider instead the much more efficient 970 Geforce.

I do not think that efficiency is something that can run games smooth... esspecially on 4k... wee need more horsepower, cuz monitors are there and games are waiting... but I am still doomed to play on 1080p - on witch I can run everythin maxed out with my HD 5870!!! why would I care to upgrade GPU on 1080p?? For the Efficiency ???? few tenths of watts saving... if I care of my planet ( more watts of electricity = more CO2) - I leave my car at home for just one day - and save more on CO2 than years of in-efficient old-ass GPU gaming. I hope AMD will ignore this hippie trend of false efficiency and give us raw power with 390x, but then again - AMD wands cash and will suply what market demands and if the "Efficiency" is in - then that is what sells :(

techy1wee need more horsepower

Your whole post sounds like a desperate AMD fanboy...

I'm sure that when nvidia launches the 300 W Maxwell card that trashes R9 290X, you'll sing another song. :laugh:

gregyongThe R9 390s are not showing up until Q1 2015 according to an AMD Rep that I know.
Nothing to back me up on this statement, cause revealing it would mean her loosing her job, but pretty sure AMD is not launching this year.

And then, 1 week later, nVidia will counteract with the GTX 980 Ti ending the competition once again.

Sony Xperia SYour whole post sounds like a desperate AMD fanboy...

I'm sure that when nvidia launches the 300 W Maxwell card that trashes R9 290X, you'll sing another song. :laugh:

not true (me being amd fanboy)... but I am fanboy of 4K... sadly, like any kind of fanboys - I can just circlejerk around my favorite subject and never attain it... or do you think that the newest cards can run anything on 4K smoothly and there is no "need more horsepower"???? I hope NVidia will put out that 300w Maxwell - that will be my next card (finally - a single GPU that can run anything on 4K @60), tough I fear AMD will have nothing to compete with that and so NVidia will ask for it 1k$+
And 100% I am fanboy of competition - look how nVidia made happy many of AMD fanboys - 290x costs now 330$ would not be there a competition - it still would hold 550$ starting price tag

Sony Xperia SYour whole post sounds like a desperate AMD fanboy...

I'm sure that when nvidia launches the 300 W Maxwell card that trashes R9 290X, you'll sing another song. :laugh:

Speaking of being a fanboy...

Sony Xperia SYes, these price drops are not enough. If AMD wants to sell their not so much appreciated by the majority products, they need to make even more appealing offers and deals.

970 is still a best buy at $330.

R9 290X needs to be $250-290 in order to sell, with R9 290 ~ the 200 dollar mark and 280X/280 ~ 170/140.

;)

330?
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709&IsNodeId=1&Description=gtx 970&name=Desktop Graphics Cards&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1

Not even one...........the only 970 found in newegg costs 380

N3M3515330?
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709&IsNodeId=1&Description=gtx 970&name=Desktop Graphics Cards&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1

Not even one...........the only 970 found in newegg costs 380

Well that's about as disingenuous as it gets, considering the vast number of 970's retail below that price (but are out of stock), and is likely the SOLE reason the $380 remains in stock....and BTW, it is just a matter of signing up for an email alert at EVGA or any number of etail outlets to obtain a cardat MSRP (or below) provided you're quick enough while the cards demand outstrips supply.
You add little or nothing to a discussion by presenting such a skewed analysis.

HumanSmokeWell that's about as disingenuous as it gets, considering the vast number of 970's retail below that price (but are out of stock), and is likely the SOLE reason the $380 remains in stock....and BTW, it is just a matter of signing up for an email alert at EVGA or any number of etail outlets to obtain a cardat MSRP (or below) provided you're quick enough while the cards demand outstrips supply.
You add little or nothing to a discussion by presenting such a skewed analysis.

It's not skewed, and it's not an analisys, it's just a fact, one can not blah blah blah about a card being so cheap when you can't even get one.
When they are in stock in all stores, then you can say they are cheap AND available.

N3M3515It's not skewed, and it's not an analisys, it's just a fact, one can not blah blah blah about a card being so cheap when you can't even get one.
When they are in stock in all stores, then you can say they are cheap AND available.

Well, it took me all of 10 seconds to find the EVGA card in stock at TigerDirect. I'll screencap and timestamp it since you'll no doubt wait until it goes out of stock to reply.

N3M3515330?
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709&IsNodeId=1&Description=gtx 970&name=Desktop Graphics Cards&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1

Not even one...........the only 970 found in newegg costs 380

As of right now you can't even buy one at newegg as they're all out of stock so who gives a shit what price they are you can't get anyways

AthloniteAs of right now you can't even buy one at newegg as they're all out of stock so who gives a shit what price they are you can't get anyways

Don't have that problem locally. Plenty of GTX 970's available (bear in mind that the prices are NZD and includes a 15% goods and services tax). R9 290X prices included as a price point comparison.

This stupid discussion is getting ridiculous. And not only this but they also delete opinions. :rolleyes:

AthloniteAs of right now you can't even buy one at newegg as they're all out of stock so who gives a shit what price they are you can't get anyways

I honestly feel about all those who give a damn shit about a technologically inferior product which is at the same time even more expensive.

You can wait a little bit and get the better deal.

It is indeed time for AMD to go somewhere and do something meaningful because they haven't done for years.

Not sure how long "years" is, but they have indeed done something meaningful and not all that long ago. Like, for instance, keeping pricing somewhat in check.

Dj-ElectriCWhen something that is on par to outperform a R9 290X, consume less than an R9 280X and cost 330$ - you know you are screwed.

Don't try to sugarcoat it - even if the R9 290X would magically cost 300$, most smart users will add the 30$ needed to get a dramatically more efficient product.

There's pretty much nothing AMD can do right now to beat the viability of a GTX 970 purchase. That's a simple fact.

Soon, a small brother to the GTX 970 will arrive and do the same thing for the whole mid-range segment.

People who insist on getting a radeon card might have to wait for another round of new cards.

^^^THIS^^^

AMD has to pull a Rabbit out of their hat soon, or drop prices down into Jack-Sh*t territory.

Sony Xperia Sdo something meaningful because they haven't done for years.

Like you other than being a cavedweller

Sony Xperia SThis stupid discussion is getting ridiculous. And not only this but they also delete opinions. :rolleyes:



I honestly feel about all those who give a damn shit about a technologically inferior product which is at the same time even more expensive.

You can wait a little bit and get the better deal.

It is indeed time for AMD to go somewhere and do something meaningful because they haven't done for years.

Only a short while ago the R9 290 was the best bang for the buck card. Now it's the GTX 970. I'm not sure why you dislike AMD so much that you spam every thread that you can with anti-AMD posts but imo it's good that there is competition between Nvidia and AMD.

64KOnly a short while ago the R9 290 was the best bang for the buck card. Now it's the GTX 970. I'm not sure why you dislike AMD so much that you spam every thread that you can with anti-AMD posts but imo it's good that there is competition between Nvidia and AMD.

True. Whether by design or circumstances, Nvidia and AMD seem to have a staggered release cycle. With both taking turns at having a clear run at the consumer space they both get a bite of the cherry rather than a head-to-head confrontation. A conspiracy theorist might think that this isn't by accident.