So... what sort of deal do they have with Sony and Microsoft FFS?

I was sincerely hoping that console market (Microsoft and Sony) to turn things around for AMD. Almost sounds like they have been running on fumes.

mcraygsxI was sincerely hoping that console market (Microsoft and Sony) to turn things around for AMD. Almost sounds like they have been running on fumes.

The sarcastic answer is here:

FluffmeisterSo... what sort of deal do they have with Sony and Microsoft FFS?

The real answer is... the same deal they have had since day one (Fabs suck, that's why they sold them to GloFo). However, there is this glimmer of admission:

AMD momentum continued for its mobile client solutions and technologies, starting shipments of the 7th Generation AMD A-Series Processors (codenamed "Bristol Ridge") and securing notable commercial and consumer design wins.

As you can tell by the "fluff" in AMD's statements, there is no mention of Zen, just Bristol Ridge. There is VOLUMES of info as to what's up with AMD there. They need to fire Dr Su. I hope she has a limited-time contract. THATIC is nice, but not enough.

FluffmeisterSo... what sort of deal do they have with Sony and Microsoft FFS?

they need to get them on the shunk stuff so they turn profit it seems.

.............its bewildering to me that a company with so many recent huge contracts and even that ridiculous mining craze in its recent history has yet to pull it into the black. I know it takes time but....how much? I get excited when i hear of new partnerships and collaborations and everything concerning Amd.....but where's the money? Is it spent before they even got it so it makes no difference?



some sorta evil sorcery going on here....

They aren't supposed to be making money. Nearly no research division does. Making money is the job of other entities.

That might be hard for a "fan" of AMD to swallow, but you shouldn't expect a corporate entity to have the same ideals/goals as a person.

mcraygsxI was sincerely hoping that console market (Microsoft and Sony) to turn things around for AMD. Almost sounds like they have been running on fumes.

The console market adds revenue, but net profit is pretty sad (around $20 per APU) since MS and Sony were in the driving seat during contract negotiation. The only real plus is that MS and Sony stumped up for R&D costs on console specific logic.

cadavecaAs you can tell by the "fluff" in AMD's statements, there is no mention of Zen, just Bristol Ridge. There is VOLUMES of info as to what's up with AMD there.

Most certainly. AMD is paying for promising the moon and delivering a Bulldozer and Piledriver. OEM's got burnt and regaining their confidence I suspect will involve not only delivering working silicon that matches the hype, but guaranteed volume on time- particularly of better binned SKUs. Enterprise and consumer OEMs wont invest their future given Globalfoundries rather optimistic claims of the past which have born little in common with the resultant reality. Cray taking AMD and Glofo at their word in 2010 and committing their XE6/XK6 to Opteron basically condemned the line as soon as the pre-orders were fulfilled, so its understandable the OEMs will take a "wait and see" attitute with Zen.

cadavecaTHATIC is nice, but not enough.

Not by a long chalk. $293m certainly helps, but AMD have just loaded the first $52m payment into this quarters financials which have basically just made the quarters returns look less sad than it would have been.

cadavecaThey need to fire Dr Su. I hope she has a limited-time contract.

Can they afford to do that? Firstly, they would need to find a good replacement candidate, and secondly unless Su's contract is dependent upon hitting performance criteria, she probably wouldn't be up for any less of a golden parachute severance package than Read who pocketed $7.7 million ($5m lump sum plus $2.7m in bonuses).

HumanSmokeCan they afford to do that? Firstly, they would need to find a good replacement candidate, and secondly unless Su's contract is dependent upon hitting performance criteria, she probably wouldn't be up for any less of a golden parachute severance package than Read who pocketed $7.7 million ($5m lump sum plus $2.7m in bonuses).

I can't answer that question. It depends who would be next in line, as you said. I won't volunteer myself for that anymore... I can't predict the future, just simply matching the writing on the walls to the hand that wrote it. :p

AMD's entire pr department needs to be fired. That would be a good start to fixing their issues. Second releasing things people want to buy would be nice. AM1 has 3 CPU's. AM3+ is a legacy socket, fm2+ is limited to essentially dual module cpus. What on earth are they thinking and why on God's green earth can't they release something worth while?

Jesus want more money in entry level? Sell an athlon whatever black edition for am1 and ramp the graphics up a hair you know using the mobile cpus they sell as bga only and share the socket.

Want more money mid range? Sell the ps4 cpu/gpu for fm2+ plenty of people would buy an 8 core jaguar based cpu with a 7870 glued to it.

Want more money top end? Mix the server market into the fx crap. It's a server based chip. Can't beat Intel with single ipc so just give everyone more cores. There is no reason single socket g34 shouldn't allow overclocking and there should not be fx series 16 core cpu's with real quad channel no more of this pr made up nonsense quoting dual, dual channel controllers as quad channel. It doesn't work like that and memory bandwidth proves this.

I'm sorry amd as of late you have had some cool trinkets, but you killed yourself from within.

This is what happens when you don't do anything... Nothing has happened recently for them to get any increase in well any area significant.

HumanSmokeNot by a long chalk. $293m certainly helps, but AMD have just loaded the first $52m payment into this quarters financials which have basically just made the quarters returns look less sad than it would have been.

Off by 45million.

Financial Segment Summary

• Computing and Graphics segment revenue of $460 million decreased 2 percent sequentially and decreased 14 percent from Q1 2015. The sequential decrease was primarily due to decreased sales of client desktop processors and the year-over-year decrease was driven primarily by decreased sales of client notebook processors.
  Operating loss was $70 million, compared with an operating loss of $99 million in Q4 2015 and an operating loss of $75 million in Q1 2015. The sequential improvement was primarily driven by lower operating expenses. The year-over-year improvement was primarily driven by lower operating expenses.
  Client processor average selling price (ASP) decreased sequentially driven by a lower desktop processor ASP and decreased year-over-year primarily due to a lower notebook processor ASP.
  GPU ASP decreased sequentially driven by lower consumer GPU ASPs and increased year-over-year due to higher channel and professional graphics ASPs.
• Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment revenue of $372 million decreased 24 percent sequentially and 25 percent year-over-year. The decreases were primarily driven by lower sales of semi-custom SoCs.
  Operating income was $16 million compared with $59 million in Q4 2015 and $45 million in Q1 2015. The sequential and year-over-year decrease was primarily due to lower sales and higher R&D expenses associated with new product investments, partially offset by a $7 million IP licensing gain.

WSJAMD said it has received $52 million so far from the China deal, recognizing $7 million on its income statement for the first quarter.

cdawallAMD's entire pr department needs to be fired.

^^^That^^^

Overall AMD products are decent and get the job done (especially in low-to-mid budget segment), but they need to stop doing at least 2 things:
1) Blame competitors and third-party reviewers for biased point of view, and using the same defensive stance in marketing
2) Use their own shamelessly biased foundation and directed misinformation to do marketing

Just like with FX-8800P redemption campaign, just like with APU gaming, and even like the latest Polaris demo.
Haven't been following AMD server hardware, but I'm pretty sure there are some signs of marketing foul-play in there too.

Simply marketing their products for what they are would've been much better, probably for both consumer and enterprise market segment.

cdawallJesus want more money in entry level? Sell an athlon whatever black edition for am1 and ramp the graphics up a hair you know using the mobile cpus they sell as bga only and share the socket.

There is an Athlon 5350 successor coming this year. Might even be next month. They might actually have a new gen of AM1 chips that are Jaguar refreshes, and they're just waiting for the right moment to release them.

cdawallWant more money mid range? Sell the ps4 cpu/gpu for fm2+ plenty of people would buy an 8 core jaguar based cpu with a 7870 glued to it.

They'd have to shrink down the die first to be able to fit it into a FM2+ socket, and then they'd strangle the GPU with two 64-bit DDR3 memory controllers. The A10-6800K die size is 246mmsq., while the Xbox One's APU is 363mmsq. I don't think that socket is engineered for a 200W-ish TDP either.

I think their PR department has been doing just fine this year, TBH. Putting graphics into RTG really seems to have paid off from a PR standpoint, and people that I've spoken seem to have an impression now that they're serious about being leaders in their field. Which, to be fair, they always were, they just had their marketing department let their imaginations run a bit too wild on several occasions.

Cataclysm_ZAThere is an Athlon 5350 successor coming this year. Might even be next month. They might actually have a new gen of AM1 chips that are Jaguar refreshes, and they're just waiting for the right moment to release them.

Releasing the athlon 5370 isn't exactly exciting. Might as well release an fx 8390 while they are at it. Maybe throw in a cooler with an 80mm fan taped to it? Oh wait they already did that with the 8370.

Cataclysm_ZAThey'd have to shrink down the die first to be able to fit it into a FM2+ socket, and then they'd strangle the GPU with two 64-bit DDR3 memory controllers. The A10-6800K die size is 246mmsq., while the Xbox One's APU is 363mmsq. I don't think that socket is engineered for a 200W-ish TDP either.

I don't believe am3+ was engineered for it either yet we have the 9370/9590. Simple fix for the memory issue is a refresh that adds amds "sideport" to the motherboard. Throw 2gb of gddr5 onto the board. Allow the apu to use it. That same gddr5 controller is part of why the die is larger on the xbox/ps4 chip. You are correct it would need a die shrink, but I fail to see why amd hasn't done that as well. It's almost as if they are stuck in 2012.

Cataclysm_ZAI think their PR department has been doing just fine this year, TBH. Putting graphics into RTG really seems to have paid off from a PR standpoint, and people that I've spoken seem to have an impression now that they're serious about being leaders in their field. Which, to be fair, they always were, they just had their marketing department let their imaginations run a bit too wild on several occasions.

AMD has always tried new things and their PR department has always failed miserably to market them. Just the PR slides alone are a joke. Cherry picked benchmarks with Intel chips that have intentionally been limited. I stand by what I said and those clowns need to be fired and amd needs to clean slate.

cdawallAMD has always tried new things and their PR department has always failed miserably to market them. Just the PR slides alone are a joke. Cherry picked benchmarks with Intel chips that have intentionally been limited. I stand by what I said and those clowns need to be fired and amd needs to clean slate.

AMD has a decent presence on Twitch, and twitter "giving away" hardware pretty often. Not all their marketing is bad, but most is misplaced for sure.

cadavecaAMD has a decent presence on Twitch, and twitter "giving away" hardware pretty often. Not all their marketing is bad, but most is misplaced for sure.

Giving away free hardware doesn't make up for the pity me and lies. I guess you can say I'm just fed up with it by now. I have stood behind amd for quite a few years now as the underdog making their way in the world, but you know what Intel is making a joke of them.

All I have to say is I hope zen is good but judging from the tight lips broadwell probably performs better.

cdawallGiving away free hardware doesn't make up for the pity me and lies. I guess you can say I'm just fed up with it by now. I have stood behind amd for quite a few years now as the underdog making their way in the world, but you know what Intel is making a joke of them.

All I have to say is I hope zen is good but judging from the tight lips broadwell probably performs better.

I understand why you'd feel that way. That's why they are doing what they do in social media; they want to win people over, and an easy way is to give some free hardware to those that interact with them. It doesn't matter that that interaction is with the peons, and not the management, and it doesn't matter that those peons can then have "all the happy users and comments" to report rather than the negatives, so it seems like they are doing a good job, but the way I look at it, something is better than nothing.

I also don't think that AMD needs to compete with Intel directly. There's absolutely no need for the grunt that modern CPUs offer at this point; software is where the real difference can be made. Both AMD and Intel are in the land of diminishing returns when it comes to performance by dropping nodes, and AMD specifically is limited by the fabs they have access to that are affordable. I have ben wanting AMD to move GPU production away from TSMC for many many years, but the fact of the matter is that TSMC has been the sole option they have had in the past, and today TSMC isn't the sole supplier of GPUs for AMD.

So while AMD's marketing isn't that appealing to us, it is obviously appealing the newer users and those that follow their social media, and they are trying to make improvements where they can. Unfortunately, they don't have access to finds to truly become the company that many want them to be, and I can't hold that against them. They got the console wins, they got great GPUs, and they have great potential to be a long-lasting part of the industry, even while not making a profit. It's been a long time (like nearly a decade) since AMD has posted true profits consistently, and not all of that is their fault. They won their lawsuit against Intel for underhanded business practices, and that alone had an effect on their potential today and forever.

I can't believe I'm defending AMD myself, but it's not all bad, so I don't mind.

It has never been all bad, but they have a lot of ground to make up now. We know they can compete, but it's a matter of cutting fluff and actually updating some. Limping along amds p4 just like Intel did when they don't have the resources Intel did isn't good.

I tell you what, I made some cash off the stock today, that's for sure. I guess Wall Street is looking at it as a good deal

lemkeantI tell you what, I made some cash off the stock today, that's for sure. I guess Wall Street is looking at it as a good deal

I doubled my money on them a year or two ago lol

Nvidia and Intel fanboys where right after all.

Proof that AMD is near bankruptcy

john_Nvidia and Intel fanboys where right after all.

Proof that AMD is near bankruptcy

sub $4 a share. Showing a graph of a low cost company going up less than a dollar great.

cdawallsub $4 a share. Showing a graph of a low cost company going up less than a dollar great.

We bailed the Greeks out too, the world has gone mad... and is truly upside down.

lemkeantI tell you what, I made some cash off the stock today, that's for sure. I guess Wall Street is looking at it as a good deal

This is the second time that I decided not to throw some money at AMD and I'm feeling kind of stupid for not doing it both times knowing that this same stunt would occur.

AquinusThis is the second time that I decided not to throw some money at AMD and I'm feeling kind of stupid for not doing it both times knowing that this same stunt would occur.

Silly boy! First... weapon systems, then gas and oil, now communist China, ethics be damned.... AMD are great for a quick buck (and I'm not even trolling).