As much as it's a pretty nice card..... why won't AGP just die.....


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Because 48% of computer consumers still use it lol.

If I had a fast system with an agp slot I would still be using it!:laugh:

They made this card to battle the 7600GT that people are still buying.

And as far as agp system people with 7800GS+ and 1950pro and a good cpu are scoring 9k-10k in 3dmark05 which is pretty damn nice for a dx9 card.

sexeh!

rather than continuing to make these slower chips why not just lower the price of the x1900 and end the battle with nvidia for that market segment.

How I miss the days when ONE SLOT was enough for a graphics card.

i have to say i prefered the addon cards, the good old days of the 3dfx voodoo 2

jocksteeluki have to say i prefered the addon cards, the good old days of the 3dfx voodoo 2

SLI :roll:

InfDamarvelThey made this card to battle the 7600GT that people are still buying.

And as far as agp system people with 7800GS+ and 1950pro and a good cpu are scoring 9k-10k in 3dmark05 which is pretty damn nice for a dx9 card.

Indeed, since only few cards nowadays are DX9 and DX10 is utilized in 3Dmark.

I have a Asus AX850 XT Platinum Edition AGP card.....should i go for the X1650XT ?
Is there a gain ?
System specs :
AMD Barton 2500+ ( running at 2210 MHz )
ABIT AN7
Corsair TWINX2048 XMS - 2 x 1 GB Timings : 2-3-3-6 at +2.75V
2 x Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD - SATA 1.5

no

there is a gain but not enought wait for a dx 10 card. Your card is still fast and the are few games that use shader 3.

Tnx.....When is ATI comming with a DX10 card ?

VulkanBrosTnx.....When is ATI comming with a DX10 card ?

coming soon this year dont buy the x1650xt agp just save ur money and get a new computer when u get the money and ull have a great rig

there are hints of them hitting the market soon and after that as they get more main stream lower cost models will come out you should be good unti lseptember or so I would say maybe longer.

AGP cards are so !@#$% overpriced!!! They have this same card, PCI-e, on NewEgg for $75 cheaper than they are selling the AGP version for. If for no other reason, I've decided to make the leap... I've hung onto my precious AGP for long enough. [RANT]You can only get !@#$% for so long, before it changes your mind for you. It think my AGP X800 GTO dying and having to fall back on my Radeon 9200SE was the last straw. [/RANT]

I think he meant 24 pixel shaders, not pixel pipelines otherwise it would cost twice as much!

yeah i agree with Tatty, it cant be pipelines :p

Why does everyone want AGP to die? IT doesnt hurt for a company to make AGP cards as well as PCIe cards. Some folks are just not wanting to go to PCIe as they are happy with what they have.

Concerning this card, its quite beautiful but I have to admit I hate the 128bit ring bus. I wish they would do away with the 128bit and stay with 256 or 512 bit :) :toast:

WarEagleAUWhy does everyone want AGP to die? IT doesnt hurt for a company to make AGP cards as well as PCIe cards. Some folks are just not wanting to go to PCIe as they are happy with what they have.

Concerning this card, its quite beautiful but I have to admit I hate the 128bit ring bus. I wish they would do away with the 128bit and stay with 256 or 512 bit :) :toast:

I too want AGP to die, because they already killed socket939 and DDR. Gimme low wattage dual core AM2 CPUs in s939 flavor and I won't mind :) Or better yet gimme a short PCI-E 1x creative soundcard, I got 3 of those slots for nothing and keeping AGP alive is not helping at all. PCI could go as well :P

yeah 128 sux...but u cant have everything :p

And i agree, whats wrong with AGP...its good for all those people with a main AGP rig, or even with a second computer that has AGP

WarEagleAUWhy does everyone want AGP to die?

I love AGP... I don't want it to die. I'll put up with the hating, I'll put up with the lesser bandwidth, I'll even put up with the lesser card selection.... but what I won't put up with is paying almost $100 more for the same card that's slower... that's were I fall off the wagon.

R.I.P. :respect: AGP
R.I.P. my x800 GTO :cry:

the lesser bandwidth isnt an issue yet is it? (though maybe on 8800gtx level) someone send me an agp and pci-e 1950pro and ill let you know (a one off crossfire agp one please)

i cant agree any more with error_force...i dont get why they are making the AGP cards so much more expensive :shadedshu

Pinchyi cant agree any more with error_force...i dont get why they are making the AGP cards so much more expensive :shadedshu

Part of it is that ATI(AMD) and nVidia haven't been making AGP bus based cards since the 9x00 series and the nVidia 5xx0 series. Since then, board manufacturers have been on their own to design AGP compatible boards, and have to add in an AGP bridge chip.... so instead of going with the provided reference design, they have to fund making one themselves, testing it, and the new components.

While that drives the price up a bit, I think a lot of it is other factors:
-Add in board manufacturers telling you to upgrade to PCI-E sooner rather than later
-Relative rarity of AGP cards now, you pay a premium because they're still in demand
-Smaller production runs and increased production costs

And my point about AGP being dead.... as I said there have been only PCI-E native graphics cards for more than 2 years now (not including some crappy S3 and Intel integrated chipsets...), more than long enough for things that qualify as a 'good' PC to be CPU limited by any new card. Unless you have a high end P4 or P-D with an AGP board, or a socket 939 chip with an AGP board, your CPU will probably limit even this card, not to mention the 7800 and 7900 GS boards and the x1950 pro boards available.

And don't even get me started on the x1300 class AGP cards.... the majority of them have more memory than they can use, they don't offer impressive performance, most don't even come in SFF versions. So they sell for more than 2x their worth in many places...