would have been a real good alternative if they lowered the price a bit.

I guess XP will be on my system until a HUGE pricedrop...

Eh $239 isn't that bad. Considering how much money I dump on computer hardware that is dated every 6 months.

overcastEh $239 isn't that bad. Considering how much money I dump on computer hardware that is dated every 6 months.

:roll:
And what exactly are you getting for $240 that XP doesn't already offer or "will offer in the future"

EastCoasthandle:roll:
And what exactly are you getting for $240 that XP doesn't already offer or "will offer in the future"

A new operating system, a new interface, DirectX10 , a new driver API. I'm so sick of looking at WindowsXP , this is a welcome change. You'll all cry and whine, call others noobs and in the end.. you'll all have Vista. It's the same scenario every launch of a new MS OS. Everyone bitched and whined about upgrading to XP from 2000, and now you are all using XP.

Finally, what does it matter to you what I do with my money? Am I at the wrong place, I thought this was an enthusiast forum?

Yeah, they should give downloaders like a 20% off premium.

HAHA, that would be killer.

price should be reduced and lol at EastCoasthandle's post I don't think theres any point in a response to that...

Awesome! H4x time...

It should also be noted that bittorent has been offering downloadable Vista for a while ;).

Taz100420I guess XP will be on my system until a HUGE pricedrop...

operating dont have price drops do they? isnt xp still the same price from when it came out

yea should be reduced if downloading coz we dont the the sexy box and materials,

RickyG512operating dont have price drops do they? isnt xp still the same price from when it came out

yea should be reduced if downloading coz we dont the the sexy box and materials,

Well I buy OEM versions, and I'm not sure if they're easily available to the general public at launch. The prices here in the UK have certainly been gradually dropping for the OEM version of XP, and although I don't doubt my system will use Vista sooner or later, I don't have any plans to get it for another year or so yet. By then all the drivers and software should be running smoothly and all the performance tweaks will be out.

I hear that no matter what disk you buy, its all in the key you put in...

Anyways though, where I work I'm getting some privileges to come in the night before launch and bring in my pc. I'm going to get to swap videocards and sound cards out play some games on xp/vista just to see what its all about on home and ultimate editions... so it should be a very interesting night... plus i get paid!

i dont care tbh im gonna be getting a "free" downloadable version anyway :D and will probably dual-boot with xp until a more "stable" version becomes available and im sure i can live without xp, as im sure a lot of people will. :rockout:

From what an HP rep had been saying ... who :p HAS NOT :P been running vista for the past 6 months, is that it is a very stable operating system.

prime95From what an HP rep had been saying ... who :p HAS NOT :P been running vista for the past 6 months, is that it is a very stable operating system.

how the fook would he know if hes not been running it ? goddam HP anyway lol like id listen to them :p

HP pff! Yeah and the salesman told me that I should purchase the undercoat protection on my car, LOL. I can build a better PC with some bubblegum and a sheet of sheetmetal. Vista is going to have to mature before I DL and install it from the Mule:roll:

Well depending on how things go when I take a look at it, I should be able to give a good thumbs up or down to it. I'm going to heavily test it when I get my time.

Systembuilder version are much cheaper, yes.

www.joejoe.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3136

Microsoft USA Alternate.de Alternate.de
(normal) (Systembuilder)
Home Basic
Full-Version 155 Euro 229 Euro 89 Euro
Upgrade 78 Euro 119 Euro
Home Premium
Full-Version 186 Euro 299 Euro 119 Euro
Upgrade 124 Euro 199 Euro
Business
Full-Version 233 Euro 369 Euro 144 Euro
Upgrade 279 Euro 249 Euro
Ultimate
Full-Version 310 Euro 499 Euro 199 Euro
Upgrade 200 Euro 329 Euro

Means it will be even cheaper in the US I'd guess.

I could live with the oem prices. I think I'll be looking at Home Premium when it's upgrade time for me. The only benefits I see in Ultimate is the ability to connect to a domain server, full drive encryption, and Ultimate extras. I don't use a domain server, don't want or need full drive encryption, and seriously doubt MS will make any worthwhile extras.

If those OEM prices are true then Home Premium is definately a fair enough price, that's what I'll get when I do make the move.

The only issue with OEM, is that all of those changes MS made to the licensing for computer enthusiasts. You aren't going to be able to get away with upgrading to a new PC with an OEM license. You have to purchase a new one. There is a reason OEM licenses are so cheap.

overcastThe only issue with OEM, is that all of those changes MS made to the licensing for computer enthusiasts. You aren't going to be able to get away with upgrading to a new PC with an OEM license. You have to purchase a new one. There is a reason OEM licenses are so cheap.

Yeah, I know. It's a tradeoff. I just can't afford the full price, so I'll just have to buy oem and hope the next best thing is out at upgrade time.

overcastA new operating system, a new interface, DirectX10 , a new driver API. I'm so sick of looking at WindowsXP , this is a welcome change.

For me, I can stick by Windows Server 2003... it's actually a pretty decent OS, as is XP imo @ least @ this point/nowadays.

overcastYou'll all cry and whine, call others noobs and in the end.. you'll all have Vista. It's the same scenario every launch of a new MS OS. Everyone bitched and whined about upgrading to XP from 2000, and now you are all using XP.

YOU DO HAVE ONE HECK OF A POINT THERE, & I AGREE!

Does seem to be the general trend.

overcastFinally, what does it matter to you what I do with my money? Am I at the wrong place, I thought this was an enthusiast forum?

LOL!

APK

P.S.=> I dunno guys...

I think I am going to 'wait out' the bugs shaking outta VISTA personally & other issues folks yell about online regarding it...

I don't like what I see/hear about this "Digital Rights Management" stuff either, anymore than the next guy!

Also I am not exactly "nuts" about the OpenGL vs. DirectX 10 conundrum (OpenGL being 'cut out' of VISTA natively where it's not in 2000/XP/2003 Server etc.), but I DO like what I hear & read about VISTA security...

Mixed bag here.

Still, I do like what AERO GLASS looks like too (along w/ the security improvements in VISTA)... apk

I don't imagine I would upgrade for at least 9mo - 1yr. Dual booting a trial of Ultimate right now, and it's just not up to snuff. I'll trial Home Premium after this. Also, I just saw Ultimate OEM on the egg for $199, $119 for Premium. Once I do upgrade, I will be looking for a way around the drm scemes, I just refuse to play ball. If I buy the content, I want to watch it, PERIOD!

Vista has one of the worst EULA's around....guys...dont be fooled...if you are going to upgrade your MOBO or other things you are toast according to the EULA....overclocking??? Hmm......all sorts of potential problems if you are trying to run High Def stuff (from what I read a few days ago from spoon muffins link....you can OC but if you get outside of some 'parameters' digital content may not be playable)....

Here is an OK article on the subject....

www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/29/microsoft_vista_eula_analysis/

You can find many other references by searching "VISTA EULA" in your search engine of choice!

There is alot of info on the web on this but I am sure we will all have the straight scoop once the software hits the shelves (brick and mortar/virtual) and someone can get a good read on them.