Monday, December 2nd 2024
AMD Radeon RX 8800 XT RDNA 4 Enters Mass-production This Month: Rumor
Apparently, AMD's next-generation gaming graphics card is closer to launch than anyone in the media expected, with mass-production of the so-called Radeon RX 8800 XT poised to begin later this month, if sources on ChipHell are to be believed. The RX 8800 XT will be the fastest product from AMD's next-generation, and will be part of the performance segment, succeeding the current RX 7800 XT. There will not be an enthusiast-segment product in this generation, as AMD looks to consolidate in key market segments with the most sales. The RX 8800 XT will be powered by AMD's next-generation RDNA 4 graphics architecture.
There are some spicy claims related to the RX 8800 XT being made. Apparently, the card will rival the current GeForce RTX 4080 or RTX 4080 SUPER in ray tracing performance, which would mean a massive 45% increase in RT performance over even the current flagship RX 7900 XTX. Meanwhile, the power and thermal footprint of the GPU is expected to reduce with the switch to a newer foundry process, with the RX 8800 XT expected to have 25% lower board power than the RX 7900 XTX. Unlike the "Navi 31" and "Navi 32" powering the RX 7900 series and RX 7800 XT, respectively, the "Navi 48" driving the RX 8800 XT is expected to be a monolithic chip built entirely on a new process node. If we were to guess, this could very well be TSMC N4P, a node AMD is using for everything from its "Zen 5" chiplets to its "Strix Point" mobile processors.
Sources:
ChipHell, Wccftech, VideoCardz
There are some spicy claims related to the RX 8800 XT being made. Apparently, the card will rival the current GeForce RTX 4080 or RTX 4080 SUPER in ray tracing performance, which would mean a massive 45% increase in RT performance over even the current flagship RX 7900 XTX. Meanwhile, the power and thermal footprint of the GPU is expected to reduce with the switch to a newer foundry process, with the RX 8800 XT expected to have 25% lower board power than the RX 7900 XTX. Unlike the "Navi 31" and "Navi 32" powering the RX 7900 series and RX 7800 XT, respectively, the "Navi 48" driving the RX 8800 XT is expected to be a monolithic chip built entirely on a new process node. If we were to guess, this could very well be TSMC N4P, a node AMD is using for everything from its "Zen 5" chiplets to its "Strix Point" mobile processors.
162 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 8800 XT RDNA 4 Enters Mass-production This Month: Rumor
A few years latter and probably with SONY pushing AMD in that direction, the rumors talk about a new RX 8000 series that mostly increases performance in Raytracing.
Better late than never....
I'll also remind you that Nvidia themselves did not massively increase RT performance from 30 series. Why would a 256bit 16GB G6 card with 7900XT raster and 4080 RT perf be priced above 750?
It would make zero sense. I can already buy 4070 Ti Super for less that equals 7900XT raster and beats it in RT.
For 8800XT to have a chance it must not be more expensive than 7800XT is new. Meaning around 500. 550 at most.
The less it costs the better deal it will be. 450 would be good. 400 would be amazing. I doubt it will be less than 400.
Still high, the cards will beg for undervolting and underclocking to keep the nasty power draw in check.
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/testing-undervolting-with-my-5700xt.258313/ Unfortunately, the TSMC N4P node cannot be labelled "new", since it's a 2022 thingie.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process
4090 RT isn't clearly enough either.
This whole thing is a farce.
Edit: I thought this was about a mobile GPU. I'm dumb. Well, it applies to that lol.
If the 8800XT is truly a 7900XT tier card in performance and consumes 25% less power than a 7900XTX it means we will get single digit performance/W improvements this gen.
I am not saying that RT based engines aren’t the way forward - they inevitably are as essentially THE holy grail of real-time rendering. But the push started way, waaaaay too early. Then again, could be argued that said push was necessary for hardware evolution, but NV at that point already was on RT train for their architectures, so… eh. Kind of a chicken and egg situation.
Nvidia used to produce 250W flagships for generations and they were called efficient. Now that we have 450W flagships 270W is suddenly high?
270W is very respectable number and easily cooled by two slot, two fan cooling solution with low noise level. Care to elaborate on what high performance CPU's or GPU's were produced in 2022 on this node?
Newer nodes are not yet ready. 3nm will be there next year. 2nm likely in 2026. The only example i can think of is 7900XT that cost 900 when it launched. This was too high. 999 for 7900XTX (same price as 6900XT) was ok considering 4080 cost 200 more. 6000 series prices were even better but did not look better compared to Nvidia who used a cheap Samsung 8nm node.
However you have to be totally delusional to think that 8800XT will cost anywhere near 750.
I am expecting RX 8800 at $600 and RTX 5070 at $700. Where AMD might try to make a difference, is the sub $350 market because Nvidia doesn't seems to have any real interest for that market.
Nvidia will outsell AMD regardless if AMD prices their card at 500 or whatever. Intel's problem were not due to price. It was because it was a 1st gen (retail) product with major driver problems.
Also, 6500 XT. Not as bad as GT 1630 but still ridiculous.
RDNA3 is trickier:
7900 XTX looked somewhat attractive in comparison with 4080, however at this price point, a gamer expects more than just raw raster performance. They want to enable everything. You can't do that on 7900 XTX. Thus, it had to be launched more significantly below 1200. $850 tops.
7900 GRE is just an abomination and a half. At 600 dollars, it's just a meager 10 to 20 % boost over 4070 at the cost of being worse in power draw and scenarios that aren't gaming pure raster titles.
7800 XT is the same story as 7900 XTX. NOT CHEAP ENOUGH TO CONVINCE. 4070 is more feature rich and performance difference is only visible with FPS graphs enabled. $100 premium is low cost enough.
7700 XT is also an abomination.
7600... Don't even get me started, it's awful.
When we have a market where the leading party offers products objectively better than yours (more features, more power efficiency at give or take the same speed) you should erect a price war. Never happened, AMD just priced their products even higher than the highest they could've gotten away with. Hence the revenue fiasco. That's why I'm not delusional. I'm just strongly pessimistic because AMD seem to live in the fairy tale where nothing NVIDIA better than 2080 Ti exists.
Hopefully its priced right, this could be my first AMD card since the 4890.
Not really concerned about the power, but the ability to run F@H on it with good production would be nice too.