Interesting. I wonder how power efficiency will play out on this though. Hopefully AMD doesn't squeeze things way above the sweetspot efficiency curve.

Is the “performs competitively with NVIDIA's $499 GeForce RTX 2070” the same as Radeon VII comparison to the 2080? Because to me it looks like the VII needs water-cooling to actually get close to the 2080.
One can hope that it’s the case. Having 93 % of the compute units of the Radon VII (if frequencies stays the same) it shuld place it on par with the 2070. But I am not holding my breath.

Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.

Reminds me....

And is still running - just changed the thermal paste and the thermal paddings

Well this decoy is necessary for upcoming 5nm AMD gpu and then fun begins.

Caring1Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.

RTX 2070's avg around 190-210W under gaming. If NAVI can not close a 20-25% performance gap while being literally two nodes lower than VEGA and going up to 220-240W TDP per se... it won't be funny...

This needs to be merged with the choo choo thread :laugh:

If this is true, its a pretty neat price/perf move for the midrange. With this, AMD is fast cannibalizing on Nvidia's profits and market, and with minimal effort. Nvidia has to match this in some way; they either do it with slightly higher performance (likely) at a slightly higher price point or they do some weak refresh of Turing and compete on price instead (highly unlikely given the place Turing's at on this node). But that still makes it a pretty sweet drop from the 2060, which was already a decent bang/buck performance card.

And, it does make Navi rather interesting for as long as it will last (that is until more 7nm GPUs come to market). Very curious about the power this thing will need.

R0H1TThis needs to be merged with the choo choo thread :laugh:

Please no, let's keep hype and inflated expectations out of here for once...

Hmmm...is that a 2060 Ti with 8GB VRAM release, suddenly being prepared at Nvidia HQ, I see?

Isn't this just a rehash of WCCF leak/rumor which itself was probably based on Jim's reveal It is.

If It has 56CU then RTX2070 performance is possible, but they wouldn't price it at $330 If the Nvidia card is selling for $499. Nvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity. Either the performance and parameters will be worse or the price higher. $449 would be acceptable for this kind of performance.
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Cut Intel with X399 and now Nvidia with 3xxx if true. Starting to feel like they are just doing it to seem competitive, more of a bark than a bite.

isn't the rtx 2070 pretty much a 1080 performance-wise? if so, then god damn, AMD... node shrink, and you still can't beat a 1080 ti with something that isn't HBM memory with power consumption that isn't trash. sad.

spnidelisn't the rtx 2070 pretty much a 1080 performance-wise? if so, then god damn, AMD... node shrink, and you still can't beat a 1080 ti with something that isn't HBM memory with power consumption that isn't trash. sad.

So you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.

Why RX? RX means R10 and it makes sense as the successor of the R9.
It should be called R11 (RXI).

THANATOSIf It has 56CU then RTX2070 performance is possible, but they wouldn't price it at $330 If the Nvidia card is selling for $499. Nvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity. Either the performance and parameters will be worse or the price higher. $449 would be acceptable for this kind of performance.
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But AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.

NdMk2o1oSo you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.

Exactly!
Some people are evidently bad at math or something...

Anyway lets hope for the consumers sake that AMD has a decent product. And if someone wish AMD to fail just because he is an nVidia "follower", he is a complete R _ _ _ _ D!

Let's repeat adoredTV "leak", shall we. A screenshot from the vid:

sutyibeing literally two nodes lower

It's one node, not two.

Why are we stilll talking about AdoredTv "leaks" is beyond me... I need to create an AMD rumours youtube channel quick

THANATOSNvidia's card would be ~50% more expensive and AMD is not a charity

Remind me, why 570 (3 years old) ivs slower 1050Ti/1650 works.

Manu_PTWhy are we stilll talking about AdoredTv "leaks" is beyond me...

He got a number of things right, some of which were quite unusual to expect, so he should have actual source within AMD.

Pretty obvious that this rumour is someone taking the Radeon VII's performance vs RTX 2080 and extrapolating that to vs a 2070. But that's inane because GDDR uses a lot more watts than HBM (one of the reasons why Polaris is such a power hog), so claiming only 15W more than 2070 for the same performance is laughable at best. TSMC 7nm is obviously far superior to GloFo 14nm but there is only so much it can do with the dog that is (hopefully) GCN's last hurrah.

erockerBut AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.

They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount, and they have zero incentive to do so this time around, unless they want to go all-out on trying to regain marketshare. NVIDIA putting high margins on its GPUs is good news for AMD's cashflow too (assuming the latter can produce a competitive product), and RTG certainly needs money if it's going to have any hope of competing into the future.

My prediction: almost-RTX 2070 performance at $450 and 220W TDP, quickly dropping to under $400 as NVIDIA drops its own prices in retaliation.

AssimilatorThey've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount

8 core Zen CPUs.
290/290x.
1050Ti vs 470/570.

erockerBut AMD has done this before several times with both CPU's and GPU's.

When did they release a GPU with the same performance but only 2/3 of price? Even the super cheap RX570 has "only" 1/3(33%) better performance/price ratio than ~14% faster GTX1060 and this NAVI should have 1/2(50%) better price/performance ratio than RTX2070 while performing the same? I call this nonsense, there is no reason for them selling It so cheaply unless the performance is lower.

If naming conventions are true, they've done this to piss off Nvidia. Unlikely, Nvidia can make their next gen line 3080 etc.

the54thvoidIf naming conventions are true, they've done this to piss off Nvidia. Unlikely, Nvidia can make their next gen line 3080 etc.

Inb4 Nvidia GTX 10000

You get a free Dragonball Z sticker with it.

NdMk2o1oSo you're assuming the rumor is true then that also means you must assume the other part about the cost is true or is it just the bits that suit you? And if so then 1080/2070 performance for $330 is pretty darn good and better value /performance that anything nvidia has to offer, not to mention that navi 10 was always slated to be a midrange part from initial press statements going back as much as 2 years. So what is exactly is trash about a card that costs $330 that competes with a $500 one? Nothing to me.

The price/perf was not his point, it was efficiency, and yes, that is pretty meh for 7nm, wouldn't you agree? Navi really needs that shrink to keep it somewhat reasonable, but this can't really last long on 7nm in the current state.

But... we haven't seen the actual numbers yet :)