Shatun_BearHey guys how's it going. Remember when I said AdoredTV claiming the 16-core having a base clock of 4.3Ghz was absurd yet too many posters here laughed? Yeah, it was only 800Mhz higher than reality...3.5Ghz base clock on the 3950X is what we should have expected but common sense is in short order on tech forums these days.

Also, where is @R0H1T, I made a £10 bet with this guy no Ryzen 3000 launch CPU would have a base clock 4Ghz or higher. :)

john_AMD's pricing on new CPUs is great. On GPUs, not so great. Probably they can't get enough capacity from TSMC, so putting lower prices would have been meaningless.

Shatun_BearAlso, where is @R0H1T, I made a £10 bet with this guy no Ryzen 3000 launch CPU would have a base clock 4Ghz or higher. :)

Shatun_BearHey guys how's it going. Remember when I said AdoredTV claiming the 16-core having a base clock of 4.3Ghz was absurd yet too many posters here laughed? Yeah, it was only 800Mhz higher than reality...3.5Ghz base clock on the 3950X is what we should have expected but common sense is in short order on tech forums these days.

Also, where is @R0H1T, I made a £10 bet with this guy no Ryzen 3000 launch CPU would have a base clock 4Ghz or higher. :)

medi014.7Ghz boost makes 4.3Ghz base not look that unrealistic at all.
Have you made claims about max clocks?

R0H1TYou're hanging by a 0.1 Ghz thread here & the entire 3xxx lineup isn't even launched yet. I'm not going anywhere, but I suggest you wait till the full lineup is revealed.

Shatun_BearHey guys how's it going. Remember when I said AdoredTV claiming the 16-core having a base clock of 4.3Ghz was absurd yet too many posters here laughed? Yeah, it was only 800Mhz higher than reality...3.5Ghz base clock on the 3950X is what we should have expected but common sense is in short order on tech forums these days.

Also, where is @R0H1T, I made a £10 bet with this guy no Ryzen 3000 launch CPU would have a base clock 4Ghz or higher. :)

john_Navi prices are bad. They are for shareholders, not consumers.

I really don't see a reason to say to a company "High prices, how great this is. Please, don't stop there".
I also don't understand people who think that people complaining about the prices are just.... poor.
I also never understood people who where supporting monopolistic, or in this case duopolistic tactics.

AMD's pricing on new CPUs is great. On GPUs, not so great. Probably they can't get enough capacity from TSMC, so putting lower prices would have been meaningless. Maybe they just keep up with Nvidia's pricing, because they know that higher future prices, is an advantage for them too. Let's not forget that AMD is also selling APUs, so higher descrete GPU pricing means also freedom to have APUs at higher price points in the future. They will integrate higher performing iGPUs in the near future thanks to 7nm, so moving descrete GPUs at higher price points, releases more price points for APUs. The next best performing APU could come at $199 or even over $200.

Anyone hoping Intel will come and fix that, Intel is a premium brand and the Intel sticker sometimes costs more than the product itself.

TheLostSwedeUnless Intel can come up with a decent GPU, it looks like we're stuck with Nvidia for the foreseeable future if you want a high-end graphics card

medi01What? Because AMD doesn't have a product beating your 1080?
Hold on, it does.

PS
This kind of twisted "logic" in your post is mind boggling.

londisteWhat is missing from the lineup?

londisteThat 4.0GHz was a general claim here, what sparked the thing in the first place was the claimed 4.3GHz that was clearly excessive one and 3.9 GHz is 0.4GHz off from that.

TheLostSwedeHere's a great example of a company that was bought out and disappeared before there was even a product
www.anandtech.com/show/2752

springs113honestly they could've easily put a 4ghz CPU out. They wanted to keep the low tdps so they let it be. The 3900/3950 could've easily been one of those but AMD wanted that 105w tdp.

R0H1TRyzen 3, I assume you missed that one? There's also a possibility of other xx50 parts slotting in with higher clocks.
I only talked about 4 GHz base clock (nearly) being a certainty, 4.3 GHz was way down the list on what was plausible.

TheLostSwedeAMD hasn't been able to deliver a properly competitive GPU for several generations now

Shatun_BearThis is my point, there is a huge difference between 'could have' and what is reasonable or what to expect. For TDP reasons, none of the launch SKUs were going past 4Ghz base, and there was also simply no need. So saying 'they could have easily put a 4Ghz CPU out' is equally silly.



Well there is 4.3Ghz base clock which is absurd on its own. But the claims from the Scottish guy was 4.3Ghz base clock on a sixteen core processor, which I am still laughing about to this day (I'm that sad). This was the gigantic red flag warning us all that his info was fantasy but what frustrated me is the legions of 'fans' shooting any naysayers down without thinking!

And give it up, I doubt 4Ghz base on any of the remaining SKUs which is not really what our bet was about.

springs113how is what I said silly... honestly you sound silly getting bent out of shape about 100mhz. The processor(3800x) is at 3.9ghz, adding 100mhz to that is not hard at all. Im almost certain the extra 100mhz would've moved right off their goal of 105w tdp. If you check out their entire line up 105w is their max tdp. AMD did good stop whining about silly things.

TheLostSwedeDo we have a choice? Where is the competition? In fact, this is getting true for more and more markets, where companies are consolidated on almost a weekly basis for billions of dollars.
This is unfortunately the world we're living in at the moment. A lot of innovation disappears before it even becomes a real product.
Here's a great example of a company that was bought out and disappeared before there was even a product
www.anandtech.com/show/2752

Unless Intel can come up with a decent GPU, it looks like we're stuck with Nvidia for the foreseeable future if you want a high-end graphics card and then we're stuck with the current insane pricing. It seems like you have to be a professional gamer at top level to be able to afford a decent graphics card now...
I don't have high hopes, but as Intel would be the underdog in the GPU market, they'd have to deliver something competitive in terms of pricing as well.

nemesis.ie@springs113 On the other side, it probably is good for people to talk about the security issues on Intel (not necessarily directly bash them though) as there does not seem to be very little awareness of the problem or the impact of the so far released fixes in non-enthusiast circles.

biffzinkerThanks for the link I forgot about Caustic Graphics. I did find these two boards from Caustic by Imagination.
www.extremetech.com/extreme/161074-the-future-of-ray-tracing-reviewed-caustics-r2500-accelerator-finally-moves-us-towards-real-time-ray-tracing

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