Monday, January 6th 2020

AMD at CES 2020 Event Live Blog: AMD to Talk Zen 3 and RDNA2

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We're live from the International CES 2020 and AMD's keynote address by CEO Dr Lisa Su. AMD is expected to announce new products such as its next-generation APU, a new e-sports graphics card, and teasers for its upcoming products. This is a live-blog article that will be continually updated through the event.

21:58 UTC: The show begins in a packed house with long queues leading up

Jan 6th: Dr Su takes centerstage.
22:49 UTC: Feb 7th Availability for 3990X.
22:48 UTC: RED Digital Cinema tries out 3990X and is mighty impressed with the 8K transcoding/editing performance boost.
22:46 UTC: Threadripper 3990X smokes 2P Xeon 8280 56 cores at 1/5th the pricc. AMD 30% faster:
22:44 UTC: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X: 64-core processor: 64core/128thread, 4.3 GHz boost, and priced at USD $3,990.
22:37 UTC: AMD SmartShift: iGPU + dGPU virtualization akin to various technologies from the past. Switches between iGPU and graphics card based on graphics load. Q2 availability for 4800H, SmartShift:
22:35 UTC: ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 with 4800H, Avalable February:
22:34 UTC: Ryzen 7 4800H Faster than Core i7-9700K desktop at half the TDP.
22:28 UTC: "2020 is the year of the gamer." Announcing the Ryzen 7 4800H for high-performance laptops, desktop-class performance.
22:25 UTC: The Radeon RX 5600 XT: Beats GTX 1660 Ti, available January 21, USD $279 SEP.
22:24 UTC: Build up to new hardware launch:

22:21 UTC: AMD creates tiers of FreeSync technology:

22:18 UTC: AMD begins talking Radeon and gaming:
22:16 UTC: Gains even in the power/battery space, Intel's USP:

22:16 UTC: Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 is a sexy new ultrathin, world's thinnest and lightest 8-core laptop: Over 100 design wins for AMD

22:13 UTC: 8 Zen 2 Cores CONFIRMED for Renoir! Beats Core i7 "Ice Lake"

22:12 UTC: All three form-factors targeted in the mobile space:

22:10 UTC: The Ryzen 4000 mobile processor: Disruptive performance for ultrathins.

22:09 UTC: AMD will make a big push into the laptop space, Intel's stronghold. AMD will introduce the "best laptop processor ever built."

22:08 UTC: Over 20 products in design/development on 7 nm

22:07 UTC: AMD recognizes importance of industry partners:

22:03 UTC: Dr Su recaps 2019 as being the best year for AMD in a long time:

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46 Comments on AMD at CES 2020 Event Live Blog: AMD to Talk Zen 3 and RDNA2

#26
trparky
kingsIt seems that AMD is not able to get out of the mid-range anytime soon.
And yet I don't have a problem with this. I, personally, don't see a need for the high end when mid-range does the job while not breaking the bank.
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#27
Totally
CheeseballI never mentioned the 1660 Super. They should be aiming at the 2060 non-Super with that price. Otherwise, just get a 5700 non-XT for potentially $280.


Update +1:

Dell G5 with the 4800H and 5600M or 5700M? I'm interested! If I don't have any CUDA workload, this would be great as a replacement for my 2018 G5.
You scratched out the purchase id but you didn't scratch out your email address.
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#28
dyonoctis
notbSurprisingly poor 4800U. In the "creators" segment they've compared it to a 4-core casual gaming chip, not the 6-core "productivity" one.
You mean the six core that's still in 14nm+++ and based on an older architecture, with an old igp whereas ice lake is based on sunny cove 10 nm, with a better igp ?

Content creation is often a mixed workload nowadays, so it's either that AMD don't trust their product, or wanted to make a comparison as an apu instead of just a cpu
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#29
ZoneDymo
kingsSo, big Navi (if it will ever exist) and RDNA2 are still far away on the horizon. Ray Tracing probably too!

Let's get ready for another Nvidia price hike. It seems that AMD is not able to get out of the mid range anytime soon.
lets hope consumers wise up and just not purchase a new card if pricing is rediculous.
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#30
trparky
ZoneDymolets hope consumers wise up and just not purchase a new card if pricing is rediculous.
This!!! If we consumers don't buy nVidia's overpriced stuff then it'll send a message to nVidia.
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#31
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
TotallyYou scratched out the purchase id but you didn't scratch out your email address.
No worries. That's /u/mitancentauri. He might appear on the TPU forums later as he will be doing the non-XT-to-XT flash.
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#32
Super XP
R0H1TSill up just for this! The last Computex was great for them, I imagine this would be similar.
Computex - ZEN3 and RDNA2 for sure. As AMD left the best parts for that event it seems.
They are also going hard in the mobile sector. That is a smart move for AMD, as they can gain significant market share.
kingsSo, big Navi (if it will ever exist) and RDNA2 are still far away on the horizon. Ray Tracing probably too!

Let's get ready for another Nvidia price hike. It seems that AMD is not able to get out of the mid range anytime soon.
Seems Big Navi which is RDNA2 based may be announced at Computex along with ZEN3.
The way to solve the high price issue with Nvidia cards is to basically Stop Buying Them. Then watch the priced fall off a cliff.
CheeseballI was hoping for BIG NAVI too as I don't want to buy a 2080 Super or overpriced 2080 Ti as an upgrade to my 5700 XT. Time to wait for the 3000 series.
You have a RX 5700XT, you don't need an upgrade lol, I am sure it can play any game you through at it with respectful FPS.
R0H1TConsoles coming in 2021 :wtf:
Microsoft already announced the XBox Series X is launching Christmas 2020. I believe Sony made a similar announcement.
XBOX Series X is targeting 4K/120 with Ray Tracing while Sony's PS5 was targeting 4K/60 with Ray Tracing. I am sure the end products are going to be different as they always are.
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#35
ratirt
New stuff coming up. This 4800U seems OK. I'm gonna need a new laptops soon :)

I've noticed that the comments and conclusions from some of the TPU members about AMD products and portfolio in this thread are really disturbing.
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#36
notb
R0H1TPerhaps she meant FY 2021 for AMD or another mistake perhaps?
Perhaps even she doesn't know what she meant.
Between that, badly prepared presentations, incorrect Xbox visualization (which they admitted today) and few other quirks, it's really hard to call this keynote a success...
dyonoctisYou mean the six core that's still in 14nm+++ and based on an older architecture, with an old igp whereas ice lake is based on sunny cove 10 nm, with a better igp ?
Yes, precisely that one. Because it's maybe 20% slower that 4800U in AMDs best case scenario (among those included on slides), it exists today, it's likely well more polished and better supported by software (Matlab etc :) ).
And since it's a flagship CPU, it will go into flagship thin laptops - likely paired with a GPU anyway.

Also, since this was a presentation of mobile chips, I expected to hear more about efficiency and battery life.
Content creation is often a mixed workload nowadays, so it's either that AMD don't trust their product, or wanted to make a comparison as an apu instead of just a cpu
I'd bet on not trusting the product. This whole presentation seemed unprepared and forced.
Previous Zen APUs were meant to be faster than Intel as well. We know how this ended.

And later this year, as laptops with a 4800U finally make it to the stores, Intel will be launching Tiger Lake, which will be much faster than this.
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#37
kings
trparkyAnd yet I don't have a problem with this. I, personally, don't see a need for the high end when mid-range does the job while not breaking the bank.
What bothers me is that we are in 2020 and we are still stuck with 2016/2017 level of performance. And the scary part, people are starting to see this performance stagnation as a normal thing...

The only card that brings some extra juice costs a kidney and is therefore almost irrelevant for most consumers. I hope Nvidia doesn't take a lazy step and make a good leap when it migrates to 7nm.

People tend to say that the high-end doesn't matter, but it's very important, It´s the high-end that commands everything. The better cards we have in the high-end and the sooner we have them, the better will be the ranges below.
Super XPSeems Big Navi which is RDNA2 based may be announced at Computex along with ZEN3.
It was late yesterday, half a year from now it will be even worse. Turing is from 2018, by the time AMD has something to compete with 2080, 2080 Super and 2080Ti, Nvidia is probably about to launch the new generation, getting everything back to how it was before.

Unless something abnormal happens, it seems that Nvidia will continue to have free reign to dictate the prices it wants.
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#38
JaymondoGB
[Agreed, Just shows you what a class act Lisa is.


QUOTE="R0H1T, post: 4183813, member: 131092"]
Obviously "more core" still sells.

Consoles coming in 2021 :wtf:

I don't wanna sound harsh but Laura botched it with her presentation so far, voice trembling & lots of mistakes besides stuttering :shadedshu:
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#39
Super XP
kingsWhat bothers me is that we are in 2020 and we are still stuck with 2016/2017 level of performance. And the scary part, people are starting to see this performance stagnation as a normal thing...

The only card that brings some extra juice costs a kidney and is therefore almost irrelevant for most consumers. I hope Nvidia doesn't take a lazy step and make a good leap when it migrates to 7nm.

People tend to say that the high-end doesn't matter, but it's very important, It´s the high-end that commands everything. The better cards we have in the high-end and the sooner we have them, the better will be the ranges below.

It was late yesterday, half a year from now it will be even worse. Turing is from 2018, by the time AMD has something to compete with 2080, 2080 Super and 2080Ti, Nvidia is probably about to launch the new generation, getting everything back to how it was before.

Unless something abnormal happens, it seems that Nvidia will continue to have free reign to dictate the prices it wants.
But based on AMD's road map which they released a while ago, RDNA2 is on schedule for a 2020 release. And based on Dr. Lisa Su, there will be RDNA2 based GPU's that will be competitive in the high end. If Nvidia is planning a RTX 3080& 3080ti, then AMD should be answering that with high end RDNA2 GPUs. SemiAccurate also confirms this with his sources. The question though we should he asking, is RDNA2 ready or will AMD fall back to RNDA for a proposed high end GPU, then release a RNDA2 based by the last quarter of 2020?? Speculation on my part of course.

2019 was a MASSIVE year for AMD and its looking like 2020 is going to be even bigger, with RDNA2 and ZEN3. :peace:
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#40
ratirt
Super XPBut based on AMD's road map which they released a while ago, RDNA2 is on schedule for a 2020 release. And based on Dr. Lisa Su, there will be RDNA2 based GPU's that will be competitive in the high end. If Nvidia is planning a RTX 3080& 3080ti, then AMD should be answering that with high end RDNA2 GPUs. SemiAccurate also confirms this with his sources. The question though we should he asking, is RDNA2 ready or will AMD fall back to RNDA for a proposed high end GPU, then release a RNDA2 based by the last quarter of 2020?? Speculation on my part of course.

2019 was a MASSIVE year for AMD and its looking like 2020 is going to be even bigger, with RDNA2 and ZEN3. :peace:
Maybe AMD is skipping the "BIG NAVI 7nm" and moves to RDNA2 to compete in the high-end? IF it happens that is great but I wanted it to happen faster. Competition in the high-end needed. I mean, I need it :)
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#41
Super XP
ratirtMaybe AMD is skipping the "BIG NAVI 7nm" and moves to RDNA2 to compete in the high-end? IF it happens that is great but I wanted it to happen faster. Competition in the high-end needed. I mean, I need it :)
Agreed.
And you raise a great point too. Based on speculative sources about the rumored die size, if this Big Navi is 2 x the size of the 5700XT that would be huge and most likely will require a lot of power and may generate more heat. Perhaps RDNA 1 @ 7nm might not cut it. And therefore 7nm+ RDNA 2 is needed.

But I agree I want it yesterday not tomorrow lmao
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#42
ratirt
Super XPAgreed.
And you raise a great point too. Based on speculative sources about the rumored die size, if this Big Navi is 2 x the size of the 5700XT that would be huge and most likely will require a lot of power and may generate more heat. Perhaps RDNA 1 @ 7nm might not cut it. And therefore 7nm+ RDNA 2 is needed.

But I agree I want it yesterday not tomorrow lmao
Not necessarily that much. Not sure about the VRAM power draw but the GDDR6 uses quite a bit of power i suppose. If "the big navi" is going to be out, some of the power will be used by the VRAM and if AMD decides, 8GB is all that's needed, then this would be the constant. The additional power generated but the added core will increase power draw but I wouldn't say two times of what the 5700X uses if the cores of the 5700X are doubled in "The big navi". Question still remains if AMD can double the cores for big navi.
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#43
arbiter
"The Radeon RX 5600 XT: Beats GTX 1660 Ti, available January 21, USD $279 SEP. "
Yay so their recently release 2020 gpu beats by what 10-15%? at most a gpu that been out since feb 2019. Not sure I would push those slides though if its all they can do to hype a gpu that is barely faster and 1 year late ok.
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#44
Super XP
arbiter"The Radeon RX 5600 XT: Beats GTX 1660 Ti, available January 21, USD $279 SEP. "
Yay so their recently release 2020 gpu beats by what 10-15%? at most a gpu that been out since feb 2019. Not sure I would push those slides though if its all they can do to hype a gpu that is barely faster and 1 year late ok.
Those will help with mainstream sales. As to replace the RX500 series. Smart move by AMD nevertheless.

The difference maker will be with RDNA 2 coming in 2020 possibly at Computex.
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#45
arbiter
Super XPThose will help with mainstream sales. As to replace the RX500 series. Smart move by AMD nevertheless.

The difference maker will be with RDNA 2 coming in 2020 possibly at Computex.
Unless people are "its amd or nothing" i would bet most people already bought something in that price bracket or likely wait to see what nvidia puts out in this price point in near future since current lineup is over a year old. Kinda think AMD should went cheaper like 240-250 at most.
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#46
Super XP
arbiterUnless people are "its amd or nothing" i would bet most people already bought something in that price bracket or likely wait to see what nvidia puts out in this price point in near future since current lineup is over a year old. Kinda think AMD should went cheaper like 240-250 at most.
Have to agree that AMD should have priced its RX5000 lineup $30 to $50 cheaper at release.
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