Wednesday, August 19th 2020

Have Some Facebook With Your VR: Facebook and Oculus Integration to Become Mandatory

Back in 2014 when Facebook acquired Oculus for $2 billion, then Oculus CEO Palmer Luckey said that the acquisition was made with respect for the Oculus ecosystem as a whole, and that its management would be akin to that of a private entity that just so happened to be under Facebook's umbrella. Fast forward to 2020, though, and that seems to no longer be the case. Facebook has announced that Oculus accounts will be phased out; come this fall, all new Oculus accounts will have to go through a Facebook one - if you are one of the holdouts from that particular social network, you'll just have to bit the bullet.

The transition will be gradual; starting this October, new accounts will have to be linked through Facebook. Existing standalone Oculus accounts will still be supported; however, they will only be grandfathered until 2023. According to Facebook, they'll still allow users to run their content on these accounts; but any new apps and content that's acquired for the system after then will not be available for usage in such scenarios. Facebook further said that some content might stop working by then, due to integration of some applications' backends with Facebook-bound accounts, capabilities and servers. And thus, Facebook will finally be fully integrated with Oculus, ensuring a new ecosystem of users, and thus, new data on which to base their publicity and marketing efforts. It's all about the value a user brings; and perhaps some social network integration with your VR environments. Because nothing makes more sense than creating Facebook-bound communities in the VR space, and seeing a Like emote pop up on your most recent spaceflight maneuver.
Source: AnandTech
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50 Comments on Have Some Facebook With Your VR: Facebook and Oculus Integration to Become Mandatory

#26
AltCapwn
Disgusting.
I hate offline stuff that needs to have an account linked.
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#27
Octavean
altcapwnDisgusting.
I hate offline stuff that needs to have an account linked.
I agree its very unsavory,....
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#28
Mindweaver
Moderato®™
Fouquin

Boy that didn't age well.
I disagree... It lasted longer than his job at Oculus after they bought it. I really don't see what the big deal is over linking it to your FB account. I mean I do nothing with my FB account (my wife created for me years ago..)... I don't buy games on the oculus store when they are on Steam. I've only bought the Darth Vader eps. I still have the 15 dollar store credit from when their store went down for a few days, years ago... lol Guess what when their store was down I could still log into SteamVR and play games.

I have to say I'm pretty excited about OC7. There have been leaks of a new Quest II.
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#29
Caring1
Fouquin

Boy that didn't age well.
Wouldn't hold up in court as the company was bought out and terms and conditions changed at that time.
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#30
Hemmingstamp
I was interested in a VR headset until my other half pointed out I didn't need one, because I hadn't been living in the real world for years. o_O
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#31
jboydgolfer
i understand Facebook owns oculous, but facebook is for housewives who want to flirt with ex boyfriends , & people who like posting pictures of their dogs, or people selling a 12 year old air conditioner.....Facebook is to gaming, like bandaids are to accounting.
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#32
TheoneandonlyMrK
Ill reserve judgment until I try my oculus with it but i don't have high hopes for this ,would steam vr support work with no other software?.
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#33
biffzinker
theoneandonlymrkIll reserve judgment until I try my oculus with it but i don't have high hopes for this ,would steam vr support work with no other software?.
@Mindweaver and someone else said yes. It’ll work with Steam VR without a Facebook account.
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#34
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
xkm1948Just use Steam VR store only, simple as that
This is what i do, and have no problems so i dont see the drama

make a fake/empty FB account if you care that much, its not like the cameras these headsets use have any detail worth spying on you with (use the passthrough mode and you'll see a blurry grainy black and white mess)
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#35
xkm1948
TBH, Viveport is not any better (HTC proprietary platform, where they have shittier contents than Oculus store and worse social network integration, and on top of all that buggy AF)

So I never used Viveport minus the first 2 months of owning the Vive to grab my free bundled games.

SteamVR is the way to go. Until Epic Store has a VR version though.
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#36
Vayra86
OctaveanExactly!!!

My first VR HMD was the Oculus Rift and now I have the Oculus Quest. I went with Oculus options because they were cheaper. However, I didn't want to be locked in to a specific manufacturer so while there where Oculus exclusive games that I was interested in (Lone Echo, Stormland and so on) I abstained from buying them. Simply put, I'm not buying anything from the Oculus store in part due to trust issue but I also don't know that my next VR HMD will be from Oculus.

A side note,...

People who have used / bought a VR HMD know or eventually come to understand that these things are like typical PC peripherals. Its not one and done, you'll eventually upgrade to a new VR HMD. Therefore there is no reason to use something like this Facebook / Oculus fiasco as an excuse to opt out of VR,....although a lot of people are oddly enough just looking for excuses.
No excuse?

This is a company that manages to follow you regardless of whether you are logged in, regardless of whether you should or shouldn't have your privacy at any given time. Mark doesn't give a damn about you, but does care about your data. Your burner account is just as valuable as any other to him. Now you're sharing tons more data with it, because the headset is full of sensors and other data. They can connect the dots, don't you worry. Almost every service can link accounts to users based on something as simple as dynamic IP adresses already. Wake up. These data models are far bigger than the account itself.

Forgot Cambridge Analytics already? It didn't matter if you had a burner account or not. It doesn't even matter if you actually are on FB. But because so many fools ARE, they can still connect the dots and data mine on you regardless. All that is required is one facebook member to share some piece of info.

But aside from that. I don't see myself logging into Razer Synapse for peripheral use, and neither do I see myself doing so for something stupid like an HMD. The question that needs to be asked is why they demand it, and why it is not optional. That alone should speak volumes and be a big red flag. Matter of principle too. 'Oh, I can still go through SteamVR Store'... as if that is somehow not a fat warning sign and likely to get a mandatory FB login regardless. Not today... tomorrow. When you've invested in the HMDs just a bit more.

Burner accounts are a 1999 Hotmail approach. Wake up, the world is smarter than you by now, they know the trick.
MindweaverI disagree... It lasted longer than his job at Oculus after they bought it. I really don't see what the big deal is over linking it to your FB account. I mean I do nothing with my FB account (my wife created for me years ago..)... I don't buy games on the oculus store when they are on Steam. I've only bought the Darth Vader eps. I still have the 15 dollar store credit from when their store went down for a few days, years ago... lol Guess what when their store was down I could still log into SteamVR and play games.

I have to say I'm pretty excited about OC7. There have been leaks of a new Quest II.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. Even just the fact that data ownership isn't in your own hands but, due to the login and connected terms, automatically belongs to FB, should be enough to scare you away. Burner account? Its irrelevant. You're steadily filling it up with your data - and its actual, true, valuable data. Not nonsense posts, but actual sensor data. You're not getting paid for that either.
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#37
Mindweaver
Moderato®™
Vayra86Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. Even just the fact that data ownership isn't in your own hands but, due to the login and connected terms, automatically belongs to FB, should be enough to scare you away. Burner account? Its irrelevant. You're steadily filling it up with your data - and its actual, true, valuable data. Not nonsense posts, but actual sensor data. You're not getting paid for that either.
Well, I want to see this tech evolve quickly and if they need to know my position in space to do so I could care less. Again once they stop supporting Oculus accounts then just use steam. I mean I don't see the difference in them or Steam. If you have a cell phone then you are already being tracked. If you think smartphones have only evolved due to hardware sales then you need to in your words wake up...

The idea behind the burner account is that it's not connected to your friends and family which I don't care about. I want to be able to see other people using the tech that I've purchased or quickly find people to play VR.
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#38
Vayra86
MindweaverThe idea behind the burner account is that it's not connected to your friends and family which I don't care about. I want to be able to see other people using the tech that I've purchased or quickly find people to play VR.
Yes, and that was the point I was trying to make to you. You're living an illusion if you think that burner account isn't linked to family and friends. They link it, and you provide them with lots of data to do so. Regardless of whether you call yourself AnonymousBloke283501 or not.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The tech won't evolve more quickly or slowly if customers make a stand for basic rights, you know. What does happen, is that it evolves in the wrong direction if you allow them to get away with it. You can look back at recent history for proof on how social media are rampaging across the media landscape. To each his own, but supporting that, I don't see how its a good thing.
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#39
Mindweaver
Moderato®™
Vayra86Yes, and that was the point I was trying to make to you. You're living an illusion if you think that burner account isn't linked to family and friends. They link it, and you provide them with lots of data to do so. Regardless of whether you call yourself AnonymousBloke283501 or not.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The tech won't evolve more quickly or slowly if customers make a stand for basic rights, you know. What does happen, is that it evolves in the wrong direction if you allow them to get away with it. You can look back at recent history for proof on how social media are rampaging across the media landscape. To each his own, but supporting that, I don't see how its a good thing.
Again I said to use a burner account if you don't want people to see you online.. Not for FB not to see you online. I think we are on the same page on that, I'm just clarifying about the Burner account. But for mean I don't care about it. I'm not that exciting and yes ads and things push tech from the funds being made by them. That's all I really have to say about this, I can accept you don't like it.
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#40
Slizzo
MindweaverAgain I said to use a burner account if you don't want people to see you online.. Not for FB not to see you online. I think we are on the same page on that, I'm just clarifying about the Burner account. But for mean I don't care about it. I'm not that exciting and yes ads and things push tech from the funds being made by them. That's all I really have to say about this, I can accept you don't like it.
Burner accounts are easier said than done. They require a phone number for verification now when you try to establish an account, and they aggressively delete fake accounts.

I am not going to give them any more information than possible. I had a fake account for a couple months and deleted it afterwards. That's all they got from me besides my Oculus account which only has payment info on it.

Suffice to say, I'm never buying another Oculus product again. Fortunately there are just as good devices around now with just around the same price, if not marginally more (aforementioned HP Reverb G2).
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#41
Hemmingstamp
I thought you had to give FB your phone number to have an account, or am I wrong?
(Or is that just Google)
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#42
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
HemmingstampI thought you had to give FB your phone number to have an account, or am I wrong?
(Or is that just Google)
I know Messenger keeps bugging me for mine...
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#43
Hemmingstamp
INSTG8RI know Messenger keeps bugging me for mine...
?, Please explain because I don't have a FB account.
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#44
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
Hemmingstamp?, Please explain because I don't have a FB account.
Messenger is “attached” to FB says it‘s for “Security” blah blah.
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#45
Hemmingstamp
INSTG8RMessenger is “attached” to FB says it‘s for “Security” blah blah.
Ah, OK. I didn't know that. :)
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#46
Wshlist
DemonicRyzen666There are people in the u.s.a who are not allowed on Facebook legally, and by Facebook's policy.

Facebook integration into everything needs to stop for that reason.....

Yet there's is nothing stopping them from purchasing said items.
That's actually not a bad point.
And how about countries where facebook doesn't operate or isn't allowed? I mean this is a whole planet not just the US.
So it might be a case of them shooting themselves in the foot multiple ways.
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#47
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
messenger asks for your number in case your account is hacked for 2 factor authentication.

That's hardly unique.
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#48
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
If I wouldn't have a FB account, I'd just make something useless to use my Rift. Personally I wouldn't see this as a problem.
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#49
Franzen4Real
Vayra86Yes, and that was the point I was trying to make to you. You're living an illusion if you think that burner account isn't linked to family and friends. They link it, and you provide them with lots of data to do so. Regardless of whether you call yourself AnonymousBloke283501 or not.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The tech won't evolve more quickly or slowly if customers make a stand for basic rights, you know. What does happen, is that it evolves in the wrong direction if you allow them to get away with it. You can look back at recent history for proof on how social media are rampaging across the media landscape. To each his own, but supporting that, I don't see how its a good thing.
All good points, this post and your previous one too. I was thinking of a burner account as one that does not have any one linked (such as a friends list) and is provided with the bare minimum personal info required in order to have a functional account. That is what we are already doing with Steam as well, no? They will get information on what I play, how long, when my headset is/isnt plugged in, etc. Steam does all of that now as well. We also give Steam our personal info for "security" reasons (which also includes tracking the physical location of where we log in from), billing, have friends linked on our account, etc. With a fake account I see it more of an annoyance that shouldn't be required than I do a personal attack, because I have the option to not use their product. But this particular discussion can go waaaay beyond a video game account tracking you. My first thought was (as Mindreaver also mentioned), do you carry a cell phone? Or even worse, a smart phone? If yes, the privacy you are voluntarily surrendering every minute that it's powered on is many, many times that of what Steam or a fake FB account is infringing on. The difference being that FB is a hated company by many so speaking out against or boycotting them is easy. Where as, very few people are willing to deal with the inconvenience and disruption that ditching their cell phones would cause to take an equally firm stance on privacy. I was looking at the use of a burner account in the event that my Oculus would be rendered unusable (sounds like 2023 for me), until an alternative would be available. Coincidentally I just pre-ordered my Reverb G2 last month, so a solution to the FB account linking appears to be coming sooner than that in my case.
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#50
Vayra86
I say this mostly to raise the awareness, and underline that we have actual proof that Facebook does not need 'real' account information at all to connect the dots. Just location data, with the sheer amount of data they have on a large percentage of the world population, eliminates your anonimity even when you think you have it. Every account you make just adds more data points for them to link together.

What you do with that information is entirely up to each individual. But it is wrong to fool yourself into the idea that you are actually anonymous with a 'burner' account. You don't own the data, (in a digital world with no boundaries, ownership means your data is present only on your local device and cannot leave it) when in fact it should be yours. Linking an HMD to an account in that sense is giving Facebook important medical information. It has no weight on your individual life, but it will appear as a piece of information used for FB's next tool or service or product to keep them in business. With an ever greater reach into your private lives.

This is also a company that is fighting a power struggle with those governments that exist to protect your data. Make no mistake. The recent ban waves on certain kinds of content are also part of this power struggle. It is a struggle for who controls the truth and flow of information. Information that influences people, information that IS power. All Mark cares about is to use that power to gain further influence and secure his business, and he really does not care about ethics of any kind - again - we have overwhelming evidence of that.

Use a different headset. That is all I can say. Even if you forget privacy and consider that as a consumer who wants a healthy consumer society - the fact people here are taking the account for granted even if they don't actually really want to, is a sign Facebook has already become too big to ignore, which is not what a balanced market should be about. But the actual fact is, if you vote with your feet, you might enforce a change. That is the only power you have really, everything else including burner accounts is putting your head in the sand.

You and I both know this is not tin foil hat space either.
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