WTF amd, just put the f*** 5600X at $200 already......damn

seth1911Spokes the Fanboy, totaly BS bingo.:kookoo:

1200 B560 Boards cost about 68€, Am4 B550 Boards cost the same.
Crazy expensiv RAM for sure 16GB DDR4 3733 69€ and with an 5600x u will use the Gskill 2666 for about 55€ ? :laugh:

Either you're kidding or you're a fanboy yourself. Compare the prices of e.g. B550 Aorus Elite V2 ATX (110 pounds) with a good sound system, comparable power section, number of I / O ports, etc. to B560 ATX boards (of the same class - almost none, and if they are, then about £160) and the Z590 not to mention (prices about £190). The prices of the Z690 are some kind of space, because they are modest £230 - it's only 2.3x more ;)

N3M3515WTF amd, just put the f*** 5600X at $200 already......damn

They have no reason to do so as long as people williongly pay $300 for the damn things. More money then sense.

and then... the foken miners strike AGAIN :mad: (Raptoreum CPU mining)

Few days later and the only one who reduced prices was MC. Gee i wonder why? Probably not cause they had so many in stock and not many were buying them? That clearly couldn't be it. Right? Right?? lmao

NuCoreEither you're kidding or you're a fanboy yourself. Compare the prices of e.g. B550 Aorus Elite V2 ATX (110 pounds) with a good sound system, comparable power section, number of I / O ports, etc. to B560 ATX boards (of the same class - almost none, and if they are, then about £160) and the Z590 not to mention (prices about £190). The prices of the Z690 are some kind of space, because they are modest £230 - it's only 2.3x more ;)

www.ebuyer.com/1257803-msi-mag-b560m-bazooka-matx-motherboard-mag-b560m-bazooka
MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA £89.99

ultimategamingparadise.com/pc-components/motherboards/intel-motherboards/lga-1200-b560/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-elite/
Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE £99.99

www.ebuyer.com/1288995-asus-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus-matx-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus
ASUS TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS £125.99

amazingestore.com/products/intel-client-cpu-core-i5-11400f-2-60ghz-sktlga1200-12-00mb-cache-boxed
Intel Core i5-11400F £149.95

Why_Mewww.ebuyer.com/1257803-msi-mag-b560m-bazooka-matx-motherboard-mag-b560m-bazooka
MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA £89.99

ultimategamingparadise.com/pc-components/motherboards/intel-motherboards/lga-1200-b560/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-elite/
Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE £99.99

www.ebuyer.com/1288995-asus-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus-matx-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus
ASUS TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS £125.99

amazingestore.com/products/intel-client-cpu-core-i5-11400f-2-60ghz-sktlga1200-12-00mb-cache-boxed
Intel Core i5-11400F £149.95

Learn to read with understanding. Don't pretend to be smarter than you are ;) We were talking about ATX boards of the same class (audio codec, number of slots PCI-E, I / O panel, board size, because mATX is known to be cheaper than ATX boards).

And what you showed on mATX, and they were supposed to be ATX. Come back if you manage to find such motherboards at a similar price, but I already know that you will not come back, because they are not there :D

NuCoreLearn to read with understanding. Don't pretend to be smarter than you are ;) We were talking about ATX boards of the same class (audio codec, number of slots PCI-E, I / O panel, board size, because mATX is known to be cheaper than ATX boards).

And what you showed on mATX, and they were supposed to be ATX. Come back if you manage to find such motherboards at a similar price, but I already know that you will not come back, because they are not there :D

What does an ATX add that a mATX doesn't other than a PCI slot that's rarely used by the average user?

Why_MeWhat does an ATX add that a mATX doesn't other than a PCI slot that's rarely used by the average user?

You feeding trolls.

Outside of bottom fishing, the Intel boards usually have more features and connectivity which makes the comparison bogus to start with.

Intel supporting higher speed DD4 OC :


Intel having 6 SATA vs 4 SATA on AMD, and intel having 3x m.2 vs 2.x m.2 on AMD.



A superior sound chip :


Intel having better wifi chip and better bluetooth :



Intel has three USB 3.1 Gen 2 x2 ports vs two on the AMD :



And it costs less :

RandallFlaggYou feeding trolls.

Outside of bottom fishing, the Intel boards usually have more features and connectivity which makes the comparison bogus to start with.

Intel supporting higher speed DD4 OC :


Intel having 6 SATA vs 4 SATA on AMD, and intel having 3x m.2 vs 2.x m.2 on AMD.



A superior sound chip :


Intel having better wifi chip and better bluetooth :



Intel has three USB 3.1 Gen 2 x2 ports vs two on the AMD :



And it costs less :

Comparing the max oc on the qvl? The audio chipset or wifi module version? Number of SATA ports? Ok, we found the fan boy guys :D

Seriously, if that's how you pick a platform sure have fun but the differences you're pointing out are meaningless and ignore the fact that Rocket lake was dog shit, which reflects on the price of it's respective components

And by the way, USB 3 gen2 is different than 2x2, according to that spec sheet intel has 1 and amd has none (which i think is incorrect but i really won't bother to check the gigabyte page because this is fucking meaningless :D)

Why_MeWhat does an ATX add that a mATX doesn't other than a PCI slot that's rarely used by the average user?

You have no idea what you are talking about or about the motherboards. mATX have weaker power sections, often basic audio codec, etc. You don't know it, so don't comment. Goodbye.

RandallFlaggYou feeding trolls.

Outside of bottom fishing, the Intel boards usually have more features and connectivity which makes the comparison bogus to start with.

Intel supporting higher speed DD4 OC :


Intel having 6 SATA vs 4 SATA on AMD, and intel having 3x m.2 vs 2.x m.2 on AMD.



A superior sound chip :


Intel having better wifi chip and better bluetooth :



Intel has three USB 3.1 Gen 2 x2 ports vs two on the AMD :



And it costs less :

Listing US prices which are usually VAT free - priceless and epic ;)

trsttteComparing the max oc on the qvl? The audio chipset or wifi module version? Number of SATA ports? Ok, we found the fan boy guys :D

Seriously, if that's how you pick a platform sure have fun but the differences you're pointing out are meaningless and ignore the fact that Rocket lake was dog shit, which reflects on the price of it's respective components

And by the way, USB 3 gen2 is different than 2x2, according to that spec sheet intel has 1 and amd has none (which i think is incorrect but i really won't bother to check the gigabyte page because this is fucking meaningless :D)

Yes, so that for the last 7 years I have been using Intel, and on average every second platform is Intel alternating with AMD - go to sleep poor baby ;)

NuCoreYou have no idea what you are talking about or about the motherboards. mATX have weaker power sections, often basic audio codec, etc. You don't know it, so don't comment. Goodbye.




Listing US prices which are usually VAT free - priceless and epic ;)


Yes, so that for the last 7 years I have been using Intel, and on average every second platform is Intel alternating with AMD - go to sleep poor baby ;)

Granted the B550 has a better audio coded 1200 vs 897 but as far as VRM's go as in running the cpu with the power limits turned off ...

The person who purchases a B560 board is most likely to run either an 11400F or 11700F which run a hell of a lot cooler than the i9 11900K.




Reviews w/benchmarks of that 11400F that's going for 150 quid atm.

www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i5-11400f-processor-review,1.html

www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/

NuCoreYou have no idea what you are talking about or about the motherboards. mATX have weaker power sections, often basic audio codec, etc. You don't know it, so don't comment. Goodbye.

Intel boards almost universally have better power sections.

The Aorus Elite ATX Z590 has 16 phases, while the mATX version has 12 phases, and the full ATX AMD has only... 12 phases.

So nope, you're wrong again. In most measurable ways the AMD board is inferior, less for your money. Goodbye.

NuCoreListing US prices which are usually VAT free - priceless and epic ;)

We still pay sales tax, which everyone seems to forget about.

Why_Mewww.ebuyer.com/1257803-msi-mag-b560m-bazooka-matx-motherboard-mag-b560m-bazooka
MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA £89.99

ultimategamingparadise.com/pc-components/motherboards/intel-motherboards/lga-1200-b560/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-elite/
Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE £99.99

www.ebuyer.com/1288995-asus-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus-matx-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b560m-plus
ASUS TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS £125.99

amazingestore.com/products/intel-client-cpu-core-i5-11400f-2-60ghz-sktlga1200-12-00mb-cache-boxed
Intel Core i5-11400F £149.95

You can always buy B520 for ryzen and it will work and it costs $60 or go B450 which also supports 5000 series CPUs for $55.
If you look for a board that just runs the CPU (no matter which brand of mobo or CPU) You will find it easy and cheap.
Or you can focus on board from the same segment offering for both type of CPUs. Offering same set of feature or similar. To have a fair price comparison.
For Ryzen you can buy used motherboard and pay even less since backwards compatibility. Intel is limited in that department.

RandallFlaggIntel boards almost universally have better power sections.

The Aorus Elite ATX Z590 has 16 phases, while the mATX version has 12 phases, and the full ATX AMD has only... 12 phases.

So nope, you're wrong again. In most measurable ways the AMD board is inferior, less for your money. Goodbye.

Maybe it is due to CPUs power consumption thus more phases to support sufficient power delivery.
Not that the board is better but rather the CPU is less efficient and uses more power. That is why the phases since these are necessary to run the CPU properly with all its features.
Ryzen uses less power so there is no need for so many power phases.

RandallFlaggThe Aorus Elite ATX Z590 has 16 phases, while the mATX version has 12 phases, and the full ATX AMD has only... 12 phases.

Because we all know biggest number is best number of course :D

And then again, I wonder why they would need to invest more on the power stages of intel boards, is it perhaps because current intel cpus use up to double the power of amd cpus? Nah, they're just better boards of course of course :D

NuCoreYes, so that for the last 7 years I have been using Intel, and on average every second platform is Intel alternating with AMD - go to sleep poor baby ;)

I don't understand what you're saying but either way whatever, i'll choose the board that is compatible with the cpu i want and other stuff i might be carrying over, not because it has 1 extra usb or because the wifi module is a newer revision 2 months younger (currently on am4 so an upgrade right now would likely stay amd, future is anyones guess)


Btw how did this thread about ryzen 5000 getting price cuts (which so far is not true) derailled into comparing motherboard features!?

trsttteBecause we all know biggest number is best number of course :D

And then again, I wonder why they would need to invest more on the power stages of intel boards, is it perhaps because current intel cpus use up to double the power of amd cpus? Nah, they're just better boards of course of course :D


I don't understand what you're saying but either way whatever, i'll choose the board that is compatible with the cpu i want and other stuff i might be carrying over, not because it has 1 extra usb or because the wifi module is a newer revision 2 months younger (currently on am4 so an upgrade right now would likely stay amd, future is anyones guess)


Btw how did this thread about ryzen 5000 getting price cuts (which so far is not true) derailled into comparing motherboard features!?

In general, this topic is about the cost of the platform (CPU + MB + RAM), which for AMD, whether before the price cut (in the UK prices have not yet dropped) or after its announcement (or a real cut if it has already happened in a given market), is better for the AMD platform ;)

Where are the evidence? So far is just a retailer’s initiative, limited to US. AMD have to lower prices to survive: Zen 3 has a very poor value now

RandallFlaggIntel boards almost universally have better power sections.

sure. Ask b560 owners with throttling boards even with an 11400…

RandallFlaggThe Aorus Elite ATX Z590 has 16 phases, while the mATX version has 12 phases, and the full ATX AMD has only... 12 phases.

So nope, you're wrong again. In most measurable ways the AMD board is inferior, less for your money. Goodbye.

That’s because Intel ridiculous power consumption.

RandallFlaggWe still pay sales tax, which everyone seems to forget about.

ratirtMaybe it is due to CPUs power consumption thus more phases to support sufficient power delivery.
Not that the board is better but rather the CPU is less efficient and uses more power. That is why the phases since these are necessary to run the CPU properly with all its features.
Ryzen uses less power so there is no need for so many power phases.

This. You can run an high end Ryzen 9 5950X on a 10 phases board without any issue. Try a 11900K ….

Max(IT)This. You can run an high end Ryzen 9 5950X on a 10 phases board without any issue. Try a 11900K ….

Correct BUT number of phases says little to nothing about VRM quality. You can have many phases and crappy power delivery, multiple phases became a marketing gimmick and any board right now has 10+ phases which makes the comparison meaningless. It's like the megapixels war and many others like it

trsttteCorrect BUT number of phases says little to nothing about VRM quality. You can have many phases and crappy power delivery, multiple phases became a marketing gimmick and any board right now has 10+ phases which makes the comparison meaningless. It's like the megapixels war and many others like it

partially true, but you can find plenty of 8 phases (8 crap phases) B560 boards out there, for instance. Do you want an example ? Asrock B560 Pro4.
In the meanwhile it is quite difficult to find a crappy VRM designed B550 (maybe just the Asus Prime B550M-K)

CrackongMicro center always have pretty good in-store pickup prices.

Yeh I've been watching the pricing at Microcenter on the new Intel stuff. Tempting. I've been holding off upgrading from Intel to AMD, as I've been waiting for AM5, but now Intel is compelling again. at the price I think AMD will have no other choice than to lower the price of both the 5900X and 5600X, and probably the 5950X too. The 5900X should come down to at least $449 and the 5600X to $230-$250. The ZEN 4 must be just around the corner. We can question the merits in the short term of DDR5 and PCIE 5.0, but Intel has now taken the lead on those in a single release. AMD will eventually with AM5, which should come sooner than later. As for the 5800X? It has gotten a lot of grief which I think was justified at it's MSRP(a long time ago), but for example at $329( a bit over $41/core) at Microcenter it is a far better value than the 5600X at $279(almost $47/core). I don't understand why people still rehash the old bashing of the 5800X, when they are probably missing out on a very good CPU for the money. I also tend to agree more with Intel's strategy of integrated GPU as the norm instead of the exception, especially on the 8 core and below CPU's. I built a Plex server in the spring based on the 5600X before the 5600G was released. I fortunately had an old NVidia card collecting dust, but it would have been nice to have the graphics included, even for the very little bit it would get used. Also having to recently troubleshoot an old Intel 2011-v3(no IGPU) socketed MB, I missed not having it.

BeachcomberThe ZEN 4 must be just around the corner. We can question the merits in the short term of DDR5 and PCIE 5.0, but Intel has now taken the lead on those in a single release. AMD will eventually with AM5, which should come sooner than later.

It's not exactly around the corner, end of Q3 or Q4 of 2022.

BeachcomberI also tend to agree more with Intel's strategy of integrated GPU as the norm instead of the exception, especially on the 8 core and below CPU's. I built a Plex server in the spring based on the 5600X before the 5600G was released. I fortunately had an old NVidia card collecting dust, but it would have been nice to have the graphics included, even for the very little bit it would get used. Also having to recently troubleshoot an old Intel 2011-v3(no IGPU) socketed MB, I missed not having it.

Very true, if current rumours come to be Zen 4 will solve that