Uskompufdual 5 W speakers from JBL

I find this hard to believe. Thats just me tho.

Same speakers found on laptops with "specialized sound", combined 10W Peak. Not that unusual.

@crazyeyesreaper @cadaveca -- which one of you fine Gentlemen are in charge of getting things like this in for review?? Would be fun to see one bought in and torn down.

IMO, AiOs are so wasteful. The built-in PC dies or becomes obsolete, the PC and the display are now trash. If the display fails, same deal. In my experience, it is usually the PC that goes first. Of course, you can repair it, but you know the parts will cost almost as much as replacing it with something new. I have 10-year-old plus monitors that are still very useful. 10-year-old PCs that still work are usually relegated to odd tasks like retro-gaming and such. I've seen a few people that use a desktop PC for 10 years, but it's the sporadic home user type deal. They do a little web browsing, maybe type out the odd letter. That type of user doesn't usually buy AiOs with dedicated graphics, either. I would much rather see more of the Lenovo tiny-in-one concept. Dell has a similar system too, where you basically have a monitor designed to hold a mini standalone PC inside the monitor chassis.

Hummm, lets see now...

1) Crapware infested Levono garbaggio....:cry:
2) Crapware-level Arc graphics with barf-inducing drivers....:fear:
3) Typical nightmare-inducing AIO build quality with little to no upgradability...:shadedshu:

yep, I gotza getz me like 12 of these, like, yesterday, before they're all sold out...

/s :roll:

_JP_Same speakers found on laptops with "specialized sound", combined 10W Peak. Not that unusual.

Not the power, the manufacturer, JBL. JBLs Quality, IIRC, is more because of enclosure.

ZareekIMO, AiOs are so wasteful. The built-in PC dies or becomes obsolete, the PC and the display are now trash. If the display fails, same deal. In my experience, it is usually the PC that goes first.

I think you are getting it a bit backwards (or you are confused 'cause you've never took apart an AIO).
Most AIOs that normally end up in my workshop usually suffer from mykiddroppedatoyonitorsumptin' syndrome. Finding an LCD replacement is as easy as with any monitor (e.g. not particularly easy, but totally doable). If internals fail - they are about as fixable/replaceable as for any laptop, if not better (except iMacs and other "premium" AIOs, of course, due to glue and space constraints). Hell, most of SMB/corporate models still have such outrageous features as accessible service hatches, official service manuals, and even replaceable CPUs/Memory/SSDs, which you can't tell about their laptops :D
Any repair is always the question of price. Fixing a $200-300 monitor always "feels" expensive if you look at current device and parts prices alone, and that deters customers from repair in 99% of cases, while fixing a broken LCD even on a relatively cheap AIO makes them look like Fry from that infamous meme. Disassembly is quite easy in most cases(especially ECS, Lenovo, ASUS). Parts for SMB models are relatively common, and disassembly is as trivial as taking apart Dell Ultrasharp.
And regarding usability - it's a matter of taste. Some of my customers hate going back to headache-inducing hotbox under their ass. I only tolerate my PC because a fully-loaded Cosmos RC-1000 is less noticeable than a big-ass server rack in the middle of my living room.

silentbogoless noticeable than a big-ass server rack in the middle of my living room.

There is a wife joke here someplace for someone, I wouldnt dare...

silentbogoAny repair is always the question of price. Fixing a $200-300 monitor always "feels" expensive if you look at current device and parts prices alone, and that deters customers from repair in 99% of cases, while fixing a broken LCD even on a relatively cheap AIO makes them look like Fry from that infamous meme.

duct tape is cheap. I've havent had the luxury of 'fixing' an AIO yet. dont think I want to really. They scare me.

silentbogoI think you are getting it a bit backwards (or you are confused 'cause you've never took apart an AIO).
Most AIOs that normally end up in my workshop usually suffer from mykiddroppedatoyonitorsumptin' syndrome. Finding an LCD replacement is as easy as with any monitor (e.g. not particularly easy, but totally doable). If internals fail - they are about as fixable/replaceable as for any laptop, if not better (except iMacs and other "premium" AIOs, of course, due to glue and space constraints). Hell, most of SMB/corporate models still have such outrageous features as accessible service hatches, official service manuals, and even replaceable CPUs/Memory/SSDs, which you can't tell about their laptops :D
Any repair is always the question of price. Fixing a $200-300 monitor always "feels" expensive if you look at current device and parts prices alone, and that deters customers from repair in 99% of cases, while fixing a broken LCD even on a relatively cheap AIO makes them look like Fry from that infamous meme. Disassembly is quite easy in most cases(especially ECS, Lenovo, ASUS). Parts for SMB models are relatively common, and disassembly is as trivial as taking apart Dell Ultrasharp.
And regarding usability - it's a matter of taste. Some of my customers hate going back to headache-inducing hotbox under their ass. I only tolerate my PC because a fully-loaded Cosmos RC-1000 is less noticeable than a big-ass server rack in the middle of my living room.

I think maybe things are a lot different where I live. I have disassembled Lenovo and Dell AiOs. I didn't say anything about difficultly in servicing them. Most people here would rather buy a new unit than spend $300 to $400 to repair one. Honestly, most people here are hung up on laptops if they even want PCs anymore. Way too many people just have tablets or big phones these days and no longer are interested in having a standard computer.

ZareekI think maybe things are a lot different where I live. I have disassembled Lenovo and Dell AiOs. I didn't say anything about difficultly in servicing them. Most people here would rather buy a new unit than spend $300 to $400 to repair one. Honestly, most people here are hung up on laptops if they even want PCs anymore. Way too many people just have tablets or big phones these days and no longer are interested in having a standard computer.

I agree, people don't seem to want computers but would much rather have a simple, foolproof, always-on device for their daily tasks. But, if someone has an AIO, it's not as wasteful as you said - not more than a laptop anyway, maybe even slightly less since there's no battery. People tend to treat a damaged laptop as an excuse to buy a new shiny toy and, since AIOs are not portable devices, they tend to get damaged less often and have a much longer life.

Do any AIOs have video inputs so they can happily live on as monitors once the PC part is hopelessly obsolete?

TheUn4seenI agree, people don't seem to want computers but would much rather have a simple, foolproof, always-on device for their daily tasks. But, if someone has an AIO, it's not as wasteful as you said - not more than a laptop anyway, maybe even slightly less since there's no battery. People tend to treat a damaged laptop as an excuse to buy a new shiny toy and, since AIOs are not portable devices, they tend to get damaged less often and have a much longer life.

I'll accept the premise that they are less likely to be damaged and that yes the lack of a battery is less wasteful. I have had a few times when someone wanted to get rid of a 5-year-old AiO and no one wanted it. Other times with 10-year-old laptops that are gone in seconds. Maybe it is just my experience with AiOs that has clouded my view of them. There is obviously a market for them or they wouldn't still be making them.