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AMD Ryzen 7000 Desktop Processors Launched: Zen4, Leadership Performance

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AMD is expected to announce the Ryzen 7000 desktop processor series based on the "Zen 4" architecture, and we're reporting from Austin Texas.
23:02 UTC: AMD to introduce "Zen 4", RDNA3, Zen 4C and XDNA architecture over the next few quarters.
23:04 UTC: "Zen 4" designed to be the fastest core for gamers and most compute for creators.
23:05 UTC: Zen 4 IPC uplift is 13%, up to 5.70 GHz clocks, up to 29% single-thread performance boost.
23:06 UTC: Ryzen 9 7950X provides up to 35% gaming performance boost, up to 48% creator performance boost. Crushes i9-12900K.
23:08 UTC: 47% performance/Watt leadership over the i9-12900K
23:08 UTC: Four SKUs at launch, same core-counts as previous-generation:
23:09 UTC: All four SKUs beat the i9-12900K at geekbench 1t, including the 7600X.
23:10 UTC: 7600X beats 12900K gaming performance by 5%
23:11 UTC: "Zen 4" built on 5 nm.
23:12 UTC: 13% IPC uplift, new core front-end design, AVX-512 support, all on 5 nm:
23:13 UTC: 13% IPC uplift is a geomean over dozens of benchmarks:
23:14 UTC: Bulk of the IPC contribution comes from the new front-end:
23:15 UTC: AVX-512 support added for AI acceleration:
23:16 UTC: VNNI and AVX-512 instructions add 2.5X nT INT8 performance.

23:17 UTC: TSMC paid a big role in co-development of the chiplet at the process-level.
23:18 UTC: The Zen 4 CCD is 18% smaller than the Zen 3 CCD.

23:19 UTC: Incredible isopower and isoperformance gains:
23:19 UTC: Efficiency even at 170 W TDP levels.
23:20 UTC: The Zen4 core is 47% smaller than the "Golden Cove" P-core of "Alder Lake:
23:21 UTC: Roadmap shows Zen4 3DV cache on 5 nm, and Zen 5 on 3 nm and 4 nm:
23:22 UTC: There will be no let up in AMD innovation: Mark Papermaster

23:23 UTC: AM5 platform will be relevant going into 2025+

23:24 UTC: AMD delivered on its AM4 promise.
23:25 UTC: 1718-pin LGA, up to 230 W power delivery, DDR5 and PCIe Gen 5, cooler compatibility with AM4.
23:26 UTC: Four chipset: X670E, X670, B650E, B650. X-series in September, B-series in October:
23:27 UTC: Gen 5 NVMe SSDs by November:
23:28 UTC: DDR5 is the only memory choice for AM5, but with the new EXPO technology.
23:29 UTC: EXPO a royalty-free technology for memory makers:
23:30 UTC: AM5 motherboards start at $125.
23:30 UTC: AM5 supported over several generations, just like AM4
23:31 UTC: Available September 27:
23:32 UTC: AMD Teases RDNA3, more than 50% performance/Watt gain over RX 6000 series. Launch within 2022.
23:33 UTC: AMD demoes RDNA3 on Zen 4
23:34 UTC: Wrapping up:

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38 Comments on AMD Ryzen 7000 Desktop Processors Launched: Zen4, Leadership Performance

#1
P4-630
Now waiting for Raptor Lake.
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#2
Naito
Still interested to see whether Zen4 will eventually make it's way to AM4. Might be a good swap out for my 5800X3D while I wait for the dust to settle on pricing/demand for DDR5 and MBs after these next gen releases.
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#3
KarymidoN
NaitoStill interested to see whether Zen4 will eventually make it's way to AM4. Might be a good swap out for my 5800X3D while I wait for the dust to settle on pricing/demand for DDR5 and MBs after these next gen releases.
there's no way, the physical socket is different, even if you could adapt it somehow there's no agesa compatibility on the am4 boards bios.
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#4
oxrufiioxo
Obviously will have to wait for reviews but I find it odd that the 6 and 8 core seem overpriced while the 16 core seems like it probably will be a decent deal.
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#5
v12dock
Block Caption of Rainey Street
Shots fired at Intel "we deliver on time" and then demos RDNA3 while Intel can't get Arc out the door
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#6
Naito
KarymidoNthere's no way, the physical socket is different, even if you could adapt it somehow there's no agesa compatibility on the am4 boards bios.
There were rumours of Zen4 cores packaged with Zen3 I/O. Whether or not it was anything more than that...
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#7
Rayz
Your respone, Intel...
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#8
trsttte
That AM5 planned support through 2025+ seems very noncommittal, and we need socket and board support, doesn't really matter if the socket is the same if the board won't be or we need to go through the same shenanigans like AM4 when compatibility only happened when it was beneficial to do so (competition from Alder Lake).
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#9
ir_cow
NaitoStill interested to see whether Zen4 will eventually make it's way to AM4. Might be a good swap out for my 5800X3D while I wait for the dust to settle on pricing/demand for DDR5 and MBs after these next gen releases.
I say this every time someone brings this up. Zen4 is NEVER coming to AM4 socket.
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#10
trsttte
NaitoThere were rumours of Zen4 cores packaged with Zen3 I/O. Whether or not it was anything more than that...
Some AMD marketing guy officially said AM4 would still live on for a while without more information (take it for the nothing it may mean)
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#11
tussinman
Glad there rumors were correct about B boards in October
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#12
Tropick
That was... interesting. There were a few points where I was wondering if the camera operator didn't know what they were doing and didn't zoom in on the specs right. (not seeing the 12900k's FPS in F1 was kind of sus, as well as not seeing the FPS in that RDNA3/7950X game demo...)

Overall I'm hopeful and pretty excited but a little concerned. There were definitely some oddities in the presentation. The die size comparison vs Golden Cove was interesting as was the the cooler compatibility, and seeing the raw performance uplift was reassuring, but definitely felt like they were holding back.

If anything this now has me pretty interested in seeing what Intel will be able to offer up with Raptor Lake. My 5600X is still chugging along like a champ and I'll probably stay on AM4 until AM5+Zen 5.... Or maybe Intel will win me over with Meteor Lake and I'll be on team blue again for the first time since my 4790K ;)

Gahhhhh! So awesome to genuinely be waiting with bated breath to see who comes out on top!! Finally the two titans are back in their prime!!! :rockout:
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#13
Crackong
That poor 12900k keeps getting beaten....

Now the stress is back on Intel
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#14
ymbaja
oxrufiioxoObviously will have to wait for reviews but I find it odd that the 6 and 8 core seem overpriced while the 16 core seems like it probably will be a decent deal.
Popcorn at the movie theater marketing… make the larger item appear to be a better deal and push people to the higher end…
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#15
oxrufiioxo
ymbajaPopcorn at the movie theater marketing… make the larger item appear to be a better deal and push people to the higher end…
I typically only buy the top or step down model so that's ok with me but not sure what AMD is thinking not having a sub 200 option that a large portion of the market sits in.
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#16
Crackong
oxrufiioxoI typically only buy the top or step down model so that's ok with me but not sure what AMD is thinking not having a sub 200 option that a large portion of the market sits in.
Could be the same situation as Zen3

- Yields are good, not many defective silicons there
- Server segment customers had already booked the majority of the production capacity
- Not worth going for lower margin products with limited capacity
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#17
freeagent
AM4 is the lower segment..

AMD already said it will continue to get new CPU's..

That is my guess as to why they stuck with their pricing.
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#18
oxrufiioxo
freeagentAM4 is the lower segment..

AMD already said it will continue to get new CPU's..

That is my guess as to why they stuck with their pricing.
Probably

A price cut to the 5800X3D or a 5600X3D for around 250 would soften the blow for the low end buyers.

I doubt AM4 will get new CPUs unless its more X3D varients my guess is by support AMD means continued Agesa updates.... Maybe if AM5 sells poorly but I doubt even with the high entry price that will be the case.
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#19
watzupken
CrackongThat poor 12900k keeps getting beaten....

Now the stress is back on Intel
Objectively, Alder Lake is still a very good processor even when Zen 4 and Raptor Lake arrives. The main problem I feel Intel will face is that they deliberately priced Alder Lake low at launch to have their "Zen moment". However with the announced price increase in Q4 this year, it may be that Raptor Lake is not going to be competitively priced. While Intel have the advantage of more physical cores, but the gap performance gap between the E-cores (supposedly Skylake performance level) and Zen 4 is going to be huge. If you compare Skylake/ Comet Lake core performance against Zen 3, there exists a noticeable gap already. With Zen 4 being quite a bit faster than Zen 3, that more E-core advantage is wearing out.
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#20
usiname
oxrufiioxoI doubt AM4 will get new CPUs unless its more X3D varients my guess is by support AMD means continued Agesa updates.... Maybe if AM5 sells poorly but I doubt even with the high entry price that will be the case.
Most likely ryzen 6600g, 6700g on AM4 with Zen 3, similar to ryzen 4600g and 4700g with Zen 2 architecture
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#21
InVasMani
trsttteThat AM5 planned support through 2025+ seems very noncommittal, and we need socket and board support, doesn't really matter if the socket is the same if the board won't be or we need to go through the same shenanigans like AM4 when compatibility only happened when it was beneficial to do so (competition from Alder Lake).
Oh for f*ck sake stop your crying x370 supports from a 1800X up thru to a 5950x while a z170 support a 6700K to a 7700K. Intel's had plenty of time to commit and they did f*ck all.
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#22
Papusan
InVasManiOh for f*ck sake stop your crying x370 supports from a 1800X up thru to a 5950x while a z170 support a 6700K to a 7700K. Intel's had plenty of time to commit and they did f*ck all.
You forgot that Intel didn't fully closed the doors for 8700K and 9900K on the same old socket/chipset for us tweakers. Aka 6700K-7700K-8700K and lastly 9900K had a good life with Z170. I know because I had all the Cpu upgrades in my older Clevo P870 laptop from 2015. Thats not even an desktop :)
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#23
watzupken
oxrufiioxoProbably

A price cut to the 5800X3D or a 5600X3D for around 250 would soften the blow for the low end buyers.

I doubt AM4 will get new CPUs unless its more X3D varients my guess is by support AMD means continued Agesa updates.... Maybe if AM5 sells poorly but I doubt even with the high entry price that will be the case.
I am not sure if it is meaningful to have more 3D cache on the Zen 3 chips. The reason for saying this is because, while I am aware the cache can improve performance in some games/ apps that love cache or low latency, it is not a general improvement. Looking at the 5800X3D, there are in fact some regressions as a result of the drop in clockspeed. For budget seekers, even the existing 5600X and 5700X can be very attractive if the price drops further. Adding 3D cache will only increase cost, and thus, limit price drops.
freeagentAM4 is the lower segment..

AMD already said it will continue to get new CPU's..

That is my guess as to why they stuck with their pricing.
In my opinion, this strategy of keeping AM4 for the budget segment is not going to go well. For me, if one already owns an AM4 board, buying an AM4 processor as a drop in upgrade makes sense. However, if someone is planning to get a full budget system, I see little reasons to recommend AMD's AM4, knowing that it will be a dead end. Instead, the likes of Intel's B series chipset and i5 processors may be more attractive. Otherwise, if one can stretch their budget for a completely new setup, might as well go straight for AM5.
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#24
ModEl4
No coolers included, not even on 7600X due to TDP/PPT (AMD expect that early buyers paying $250 plus for the motherboard and also taking account DDR5 cost and general platform cost will use anyway their own choice of cooling solutions)
IGP is only 2 CUs!!! (I haven't done the math but it should need logically at least 2.2GHz to match Raptor Lake at 1080p low)
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#25
usiname
ModEl4IGP is only 2 CUs!!! (I haven't done the math but it should need logically at least 2.2GHz to match Raptor Lake at 1080p low)
Where you get the information for the CU count? I think it wasn't in the presentation.
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