wolflike i said, we "know" (from preliminaries) it performs the same as a 4870 at that speed, so really, what does it bring to the table except for higher speeds (which arent to be downplayed, everyone loves faster gear) whatever changes have been made on the CHIP serve to facilitate this speed, clock for clock we are seeing no benefits

btarunrNow apply just that to GTX 285. Clock for clock it's equipotent to GTX 280. ATI's move to call RV790 a new GPU is not any less legitimate compared to NVIDIA's carving out new products based on G200b, a GPU with the same specs but higher clock speeds.

btarunrNow apply just that to GTX 285. Clock for clock it's equipotent to GTX 280. ATI's move to call RV790 a new GPU is not any less legitimate compared to NVIDIA's carving out new products based on G200b, a GPU with the same specs but higher clock speeds. NVIDIA needed a 55 nm chip to reduce costs, ATI needed a newer process to increase clock speeds.

iStinkI'm gonna have to take the side of "it's a new chip." But based on what we see here, even though it's a new chip, it isn't exactly leaps and bounds over the previous 770 (which is why this argument can exist.)

TheMailMan78I don't think ATI or Nvidia will be making any real leaps for a while. Nothing out there is utilizing the current generations GPU power. They do not want to "over saturate" the market with power. I'm willing to bet we wont see any real big jumps for another 6 months from ether camp.

SteevoGTA4

TheMailMan78No that has to do with a vastly un-optimized engine. Nothing to do with horsepower of the GPU.

TheMailMan78No that has to do with a vastly un-optimized engine. Nothing to do with horsepower of the GPU.

erockerActually it has to do with the insane amount of textures the game has. That's why on the consoles the settings are at medium and resolution is no higher than 720p. In my opinion if they just would of limited the graphics settings and named "medium" "high" there would be a lot less bitching with the game. :ohwell:

DrPepperThen you would have the bitching about how the game looks shit. No matter what game companies do people will always complain about it. Usually they say the game is unoptimised whereas its just that they either have it at too high a setting or the gpu can't handle it.

erockerI'd like to see most games have settings that a high-end card can't handle. The game will have more longevity. I can remember a time (Far Cry, Oblivion) when this was true. Those games lasted quite a long time in terms of popularity. It's just my opinion, but if you don't want to mess around with video settings and tweak them to get the best performance on your system, might as well stick with consoles.

TheMailMan78Don't you think duel 4850s should be able to handle a port on high of a game that was ran with medium settings on a SINGLE X1900 natively? Most of the time I agree with you Pepper but on this game your off.

Wile EIt can, as long as you keep the textures lower. The textures are huge in that game. It's limited by framebuffer, not really gpu. A 512MB card can't use the highest textures in GTA4, regardless of the gpu attached to it. It dumps out into system mem, and while my 4870+4850 512MB crossfire ran it at great framerates on high settings, the game had all kinds of rendering errors when the cards ran out of memory. Things like cars hovering a few feet off the ground, and other anomalies, along with massive dips in framerate, I'm guessing from waiting on the testures to get back from the system memory. It's not really that it's poorly optimized, it just needs a lot of memory.

erockerI want a 1ghz GPU out of the box. Where do I sign up/send the check to?

eidairaman1Thats the whole Problem, the game is a Port, Consoles use RISC based CPUs, but when they are ported, the code isn't really rewritten for the PC and thats where all the performance suffers. The last games that i recall running well on both PC and Console was Need For Speed Underground 1 and 2.

SteevoMost modern CPUs are a crossover between RISC, and CISC. Leaning more to RISC, but with large amounts of cache.


It really is all about the amount of framebuffer available, and the reason I got a 1GB model card.


If you read the statement Rockstar had about the settings on GTA4 they mentioned the game would be like medium settings and 22 draw distance on a PC, I run 36 draw distance, detail distance maxxed, and most settings on high or very high and the game looks awsome. Adding two 1Gb readyboost USB drives made further improvement by allowing the system to dump unused parts of the OS back to the USB drives.


You guys really need to understand what is going on. All the textures for the cars, people, trees, buildings, sidewalks. most other games they use the same texture, and small generic textures, and use other stuf to make the game look good, but with this, huge textures and even with no AA and at higher resolutions it looks awsome.