Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

[robmuld]

Intel is desperate

HHAHHAHAAH! I love it that the monopoly-abusing jerks are running scared because their overpriced new platform can't go beyond 5GHz without cheating.

It would be fun if a hardware review site replicates the 6GHz number with a retail Phenom 2 from Newegg! Now that would humiliate Intel wouldn't it?

 

[TheGuruStud]

Hopefully, they go poof. Now, that would be embarrassing

 

[OnBoard]

If you didn't read through the xtremesystes thread, that pictured chip does 4,8HGz on air. Sounds pretty :-o, but it was running 120C with temp chip disabled I don't doubt that AMD might have disabled temp sensor as well, point isn't to run the processor safe, but to OC it as high as possible and those quads push a lot of heat out.

Also there was talk to going to FUGGER's house to do it, and 5 other cherry babies were going to Las Vegas. So that first trip is how to do it and in CES '09 they'll just repeat the steps with a new chip.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Why does anyone need over 5ghz anyway? I dont give two hoots if either corps chips will go that high.Its only for epeen and rich boys who are sponsored and have access to ln2 etc.

As long as amd have something to compete is all that matters,not who has the biggest trouser roll.

 

[Octavean]

I look at it this way,.....

Both AMD and Intel use unlocked chips for these types of OC. Nevermind the typical price, how much does an unlocked Black Edition AMD chip cost ($) and how much does an unlocked Intel Extreme Edition chip cost ($$$$$). I'll put it another way, I can afford an AMD Black Edition chip because the price difference isnt too far off of typical retail prices but there is no way in hell I'm paying ~$1500 for an Intel Extreme Edition Core i7 or Core 2 based chip.

6GHz, 7GHz OCor higher, I dont really care how high an i7 965 Extreme Edition chip will go because I know I will never buy one. I also know most people here and most OCers wont buy an i7 965 at those prices either. If intel wants to compete with AMD they need to sell an unlocked chip at the same price as AMD does,....period!

I think the AMD Phenom II platform AM2 / AM3 will be cheap enough that I can buy and build one without much care for the fact that I already have an i7 chip.

 

[KBD]

yea, tigger and octavean make pretty good points. A 6Ghz overclock is nothing but marketing and bragging rights for the companies. Most people cant afford to buy an 965 EE nor they have access to LN2, i think the majority of folks are interested in whether they run a chip 24/7 on a certain high frequency on either air or water. thats what most people have access to. If a chip can do 6,7,8 gig on LN2 good but for the majority of us it doesnt make any differnce really.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Looks like Phenom 2 wont be a disappointment after all. This is going to be interesting.

Hell, who remembers the last time when Intel had to match something AMD is doing...anyone?

 

[KBD]

Looks like Phenom 2 wont be a disappointment after all. This is going to be interesting.

Hell, who remembers the last time when Intel had to match something AMD is doing...anyone?

thats another thing, intel got sooooo nervous about the Phenom 2's amazing overclock. In fact, they get nervous every time something good happens in camp AMD. Remember that story about the UAE investor putting cash into AMD? Well, that time they got scared also, and started putting out statements like its not fair, they cant do it and so on. Because they know that once AMD gains solid financial footing they will release something awesome. I think Intel got so used being the top dog they are afraid of real competition.

 

[Noggrin]

HHAHHAHAAH! I love it that the monopoly-abusing jerks are running scared because their overpriced new platform can't go beyond 5GHz without cheating.

It would be fun if a hardware review site replicates the 6GHz number with a retail Phenom 2 from Newegg! Now that would humiliate Intel wouldn't it?

AMD fan boys never ceases to amaze me.

This is ES chip on LN2, the thread is on the xtremesystems forum.

It would be fun if a hardware review site show an easy OC @ 6Ghz of a retail PII chip but it wont happend. Pplz over xtremesystems may do it but I dont think in any way that this is going to be ''humiliating'' to Intel. Thats something only AMD fan boy can come up with.

 

[TheGuruStud]

AMD fan boys never ceases to amaze me.

This is ES chip on LN2, the thread is on the xtremesystems forum.

It would be fun if a hardware review site show an easy OC @ 6Ghz of a retail PII chip but it wont happend. Pplz over xtremesystems may do it but I dont think in any way that this is going to be ''humiliating'' to Intel. Thats something only AMD fan boy can come up with.

and 5.4 on LN2 is.... supposed to impress me? Those ES chips are probably higher quality than production chips, too.

 

[rizla1]

AMD fan boys never ceases to amaze me.

This is ES chip on LN2, the thread is on the xtremesystems forum.

It would be fun if a hardware review site show an easy OC @ 6Ghz of a retail PII chip but it wont happend. Pplz over xtremesystems may do it but I dont think in any way that this is going to be ''humiliating'' to Intel. Thats something only AMD fan boy can come up with.

INTEL fanboys never ceases to amaze me .lol

screw ln2
which goes highest on air's wat i want to know,
and + if amds top chip which will cost a few hundres , can oc on par with a £1000 chip theres no competition . look at the intel qx9770 now its outperformed by something that costs a few hundred intel 920.

 

[btarunr]

Please cut with throwing the "fanboy" phrase around.

 

[imperialreign]

thats another thing, intel got sooooo nervous about the Phenom 2's amazing overclock. In fact, they get nervous every time something good happens in camp AMD. Remember that story about the UAE investor putting cash into AMD? Well, that time they got scared also, and started putting out statements like its not fair, they cant do it and so on. Because they know that once AMD gains solid financial footing they will release something awesome. I think Intel got so used being the top dog they are afraid of real competition.

reason Intel get's so nervous is becuase if AMD actually puts something out that them like last time around . . . Intel have to go back to the drawing board and cough up something *new* *innovative* to keep their market . . .

which means all those sandbagged CPUs they've been producing cost them money, cuase no one will wnat to buy them - and Intel's name is tarnished for a while.


I really think at this point, some judge needs to step in and dissolve the royalty agreement Intel has with AMD . . . hell, it's AMD's technology and development anyways, but they're still paying for it because they worked with and produced for Intel years and years ago. AMD would be much better off, and so would the market, if they didn't have to cough up those royalty fees.




Anyhow - kinda funny Intel has admitted to cheating before they've even gotten started, simply because they think AMD has cheated . . .

It'd be even funnier, IMO, if it turns out AMD just used a stand, middle of the line production CPU, disabled the temp diode, and went with that . . . which means (if they did), we might see AMD retaliate in the same manner Intel is now - if Intel manages to pull off what they are hoping for.

 

[Noggrin]

and 5.4 on LN2 is.... supposed to impress me?

Looks like you saw some AMD/Intel quads clocked @ 6.xx-7.xx on AIR. Can you linked me to those results? Cant w8 to see them.

Those ES chips are probably higher quality than production chips, too.

LoL @ that.

INTEL fanboys never ceases to amaze me .lol

Very creative. Replacing one world.

And not even close to the truth.

screw ln2
which goes highest on air's wat i want to know,
and + if amds top chip which will cost a few hundres , can oc on par with a £1000 chip theres no competition . look at the intel qx9770 now its outperformed by something that costs a few hundred intel 920.

Sure, me too. Want some OC on air. And I too want PII to kick ass, but what you think? Those 6.xx Ghz clock are done on AIR? Come on. Those BS are pure marketing and Intel falls for the same BS. "We can show you that i7 can overclock to 7.xx on temps close to the absolute zero... who the f*ck cares? Its not like I can achive those temps with air or water witch are the most used cooling solutions.

 

[rizla1]

Please cut with throwing the "fanboy" phrase around.

hope your not referin ta me i dont do that ,i was jokin .
but i choose amd not because there better but becuase im 17 and dont have the money to buy parts to build a £400-£500 intel system . there is no one here who can really sa that amd's better ..... yet.

 

[btarunr]

hope your not referin ta me i dont do that ,i was jokin .
but i choose amd not because there better but becuase im 17 and dont have the money to buy parts to build a £400-£500 intel system . there is no one here who can really sa that amd's better ..... yet.

No, to everyone. The "fanboy" debate ends here. Make arguments (if you have any) without pointless accusations.

Secondly, being 17 and that budget isn't really a convincing excuse. Intel has a processor to offer for any and every price range.

 

[imperialreign]

No, to everyone. The "fanboy" debate ends here. Make arguments (if you have any) without pointless accusations.

Secondly, being 17 and that budget isn't really a convincing excuse. Intel has a processor offer for any and every price range.

not raggin on ya - but that statement gave me this funny mental image of a mob-family, like the sopranos or something, sitting around a table with a look of "so, whassit gonna be?"

 

[btarunr]

not raggin on ya - but that statement gave me this funny mental image of a mob-family, like the sopranos or something, sitting around a table with a look of "so, whassit gonna be?"

"When the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other"

 

[Octavean]

Its not uncommon for the newest generation to surpass its predecessor. Intel may seem to be in competition with itself with respect to the i7 920 surpassing the QX9770 at a much lower price especialy since I don't think AMD has surpassed the QX9700 with a retail part of their own. I hope the Phenom II can compete at default speeds though because I don't want to buy something that needs to OCed before it yields acceptable numbers.

The Phenom II will have a lower "instructions per clock cycle" then the i7 and Core 2 so it already has to clock higher.

 

[SoF]

that sounds very interesting. I am looking forward to see that...currently both, AMD and Intel, are making some marketing bs I do not really like. We see that i7 can hardly do the 5gig so far and I say AMD won't do it that easy as announced either. I will be waiting for charles after I did Phenom II testing beginning next year

 

[PCpraiser100]

Me want benchmarks after!

 

[Melvis]

Secondly, being 17 and that budget isn't really a convincing excuse. Intel has a processor to offer for any and every price range.

Maybe in the states but not here in australia, the lowest dual core from intel over here is about the same amount as AMD's highest end dual core, and then there is the price of mobo's there even more to, i say to people i build comps for, how much you willing to spend? and its always on a budget around $1000 and ill say ok that be a AMD system, since i can get a AMD system to out perform a intel system for the same price. (Gaming Machines) But if it was over $2000 then yea i would go intel, but 99% of the time, people dont want to spend that much, so its a no brainer realy.

Just remember computer parts here are alot more expensive then over there, eg the new i7 lowest quad is $600, the high end, over $2500.

O and to this thread LMAO, i think its so funny, as soon as AMD does something great intel go nuts, they just cant stand been beatin by a company they used to own and a company thats is a 8th of there size lol. Poor intel, they stuffed up in the first place. And they have to wait till 2009 to do this? lol what a load of BS, a company that big can do it tomorrow if they wanted to, doesn't add up to me.

 

[rizla1]

well if i was buyin local [i live in n.ireland] back wen i got my pc i would have got a crappy dell pentium 4 512mb ddr 1 and a 20 gig hdd . but it wouldnt matter which i picked for my price range cause the cpus perform the same ecept for the amd ram quicker timing. any way this is a bit off topic. [back on topic] i thick its really funny to watch this its like wactchin simcity or something watchin everything playin out , also a bit like amd hammerin nvidia , then nvidia making stupid claims and comments like a bitch. lol gota love it!!

 

[newtekie1]

I always get confused about why people make such big deals about these extreme overclocking speeds that the chips hit.

1.) No consumer is going to ever hit those speeds, so I really don't give a rat's ass about them. I care about real world results. Overclocks on standard boards, with air cooling, maybe water.

2.) This is turning into a clock speed race again, just like in the P4 days. We have stopped talking about actual performance, and that is what matters. I have yet to see anyone talk about Phenom II's actual performance, all the hype has been about it's clock speeds. If the actual performance per clock is still lower than the Core 2's, there is still a bigger problem to solve.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Maybe if amd can run their chips at twice the speed of intels,it may make up for the performance per clock deficit.

These benches and speeds mean squat to normal people.