Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report

[EarlZ]

Hopefully it does out perform a 4870X2 but its a tad bit expensive at $299, should be $230~249

 

[Tatty_Two]

So, let me get this right....... the 5870 is priced around the GTX285 price point which would suggest that it will be no more than around 5% faster at best, if it was more, they would charge more, even ATi like to make a little money outta their hardware, I kind of find this a little dissapointing as this is a generation on from the G200 series, kind of suggests that the 5870 x2 will only be marginally faster than the 295 (possibly 10%), makes you wonder what all the hype is really, ATi had better have something up their sleeve when the G300 whateveritscalled is released later on by NVidia otherwise the Green side are going to be charging a mint for "the worlds fastest single and multi GPU's", kind of sucks really :shadedshu

 

[Sihastru]

I don't want to flame or anything but if the 5870-class card is less then 50% more powerfull then a GTX285, then it will be an epic fail.

Lately I've seen the efficiency game they played came back to bite them in their behinds with power consumption numbers so high they weren't even funny. So I think TDP was a thorn in their necks when designing this thing.

I am expecting close to double the performance of the current single GPU flagship models, and at least 2 digit percent faster then the GTX295... and I want it to be more efficient then the current single PCB GTX295, and to have better thermals.

Don't get me wrong, they promised me that "I won't believe my eyes"... and I don't want to be disappointed. But the more information is being released the more I think this will only be an incremental upgrade and they will use their marketing machinery to throw DX11 and that thing called "tesselation" in my face like it really matters when you play next-gen games at 20fps...

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I stated £299 but it was an overestimate to show how overpriced it will be in the uk.I bet it will be at least £230+ in the uk for a 5870.I lol'd at £185 for a 5870,we should be so lucky.

 

[HalfAHertz]

Whoa did anyone see this pictures?

Talk about scalable architecture. This flips everything upside down. You can have a main GPU and scale the architecture whit as many SPs as you can fit on a PCB. Jusging from the pics each chip has 4 SP nests for a total of 4x80=320SPs and the HD5870 will end up at a net of 1600. Dang but it sure looks like they're wasting alot of transistors this way. This seems to be a concept but dang it sure looks good

 

[wiak]

5870 will be around $299 just like 4870 and 3870 before it
5850 will be around $199 just like 4850 and 3850 before it
compared to nvidia cards it will be a uber great price vs performance ratio

 

[Velvet Wafer]

Whoa did anyone see this pictures?

http://idg.bg/test/pcw/2009/8/25/13058-ATi5000Series.jpg
http://idg.bg/test/pcw/2009/8/25/13058-ATi5870Concept.jpg

Talk about scalable architecture. This flips everything upside down. You can have a main GPU and scale the architecture whit as many SPs as you can fit on a PCB. Jusging from the pics each chip has 4 SP nests for a total of 4x80=320SPs and the HD5870 will end up at a net of 1600. Dang but it sure looks like they're wasting alot of transistors this way. This seems to be a concept but dang it sure looks good

lol no solid caps,4drams,when it should be 1gb, a true fake... and is months old

 

[pr0n Inspector]

Whoa did anyone see this pictures?


Talk about scalable architecture. This flips everything upside down. You can have a main GPU and scale the architecture whit as many SPs as you can fit on a PCB. Jusging from the pics each chip has 4 SP nests for a total of 4x80=320SPs and the HD5870 will end up at a net of 1600. Dang but it sure looks like they're wasting alot of transistors this way. This seems to be a concept but dang it sure looks good

"Concept by DudeOnTheInternet™"

And why did you cropped the "01/03/2006" part?

 

[HalfAHertz]

"Concept by DudeOnTheInternet™"

And why did you cropped the "01/03/2006" part?

Huh?

 

[largon]

Anyway :

http://img.techpowerup.org/090824/radeon_hd_5870_specs_reveal_full.jpg

Considering that chart list wrongs spec for HD4870 and HD4870X2 I find it unlikely those 5k series numbers would be real either.

Whoa did anyone see this pictures?

http://idg.bg/test/pcw/2009/8/25/13058-ATi5000Series.jpg
http://idg.bg/test/pcw/2009/8/25/13058-ATi5870Concept.jpg

Those cards are utterly ridiculous and totally imaginary.

 

[HalfAHertz]

Considering that chart list wrongs spec for HD4870 and HD4870X2 I find it unlikely those 5k series numbers would be real either.
Those cards are utterly ridiculous and totally imaginary.

Yea but the principle is good

 

[largon]

Yea but the principle is good

Not really.
First of all, there's no interconnect in existence with bandwidth high enough and/or latency low enough that would allow such a modular design, unless internal Crossfire was used and that would totally destroy any efficiency. Secondly, the PCB would be monsterously complex, large and expensive to make. Just to point out a few astronomically large obstacles.

The way I see it, if they keep to the same form factor of the die, moving from 55nm to 40 nm means 1,375 times more transistors( 55/40)
So if we take the 800SPs of the rv770 and multiply it with 1,375, we end up at 1100, which is not dividable by 80, Thus rounding the final number to 1120 or going for a bit bigger die and ending up at 1200SPs.

Except for the fact a chip of a given size made on 40nm can have 89% more transistors compared to same size chip on 55nm. ASICs are 2-dimensional, not 1-dimensional.

 

[kylew]

So, let me get this right....... the 5870 is priced around the GTX285 price point which would suggest that it will be no more than around 5% faster at best, if it was more, they would charge more, even ATi like to make a little money outta their hardware, I kind of find this a little dissapointing as this is a generation on from the G200 series, kind of suggests that the 5870 x2 will only be marginally faster than the 295 (possibly 10%), makes you wonder what all the hype is really, ATi had better have something up their sleeve when the G300 whateveritscalled is released later on by NVidia otherwise the Green side are going to be charging a mint for "the worlds fastest single and multi GPU's", kind of sucks really :shadedshu

Come on as if, why would they bother? Considering an overclocked 4890 can end up 5% faster than a GTX285, where's the logic in creating a new chip that's a few percent faster than their previous highend chip?

What they mean is that it will be their card closest in price to the GTX285.

They did the same with the 4800s. They said they were to compete with G92 GPUs yet they were much faster, they only reason they were deemed G92 competition was due to their pricings.

They know better than to sell their latest cards at expensive prices. It's nVidia that doesn't understand the process of lowering the price and selling bucketloads.

4800s outsold GT200 based cards by a huge amount for this very reason, even though they're similar in performance.

ATi's high end was priced the same as nVidia's middle end, yet offered nVidia highend performance. Of course they're going to sell far more.

Add on to that the low cost of manufacture and there's no reason for them to 'overprice' their cards the way nVidia do.

They know it's not about 'Let's put the highest price possible on these cards'. They will definitely sell more and make far more money if more people buy them at a lower price.

It's so simple, I don't get why people assume they're gonna charge crazy prices for their cards. ATi has ended the day of silly priced cards, nVidia have to go cheaper to compete and this is where ATi are destroying nVidia.

 

[ArmoredCavalry]

Come on as if, why would they bother? Considering an overclocked 4890 can end up 5% faster than a GTX285, where's the logic in creating a new chip that's a few percent faster than their previous highend chip?

What they mean is that it will be their card closest in price to the GTX285.

They did the same with the 4800s. They said they were to compete with G92 GPUs yet they were much faster, they only reason they were deemed G92 competition was due to their pricings.

They know better than to sell their latest cards at expensive prices. It's nVidia that doesn't understand the process of lowering the price and selling bucketloads.

4800s outsold GT200 based cards by a huge amount for this very reason, even though they're similar in performance.

ATi's high end was priced the same as nVidia's middle end, yet offered nVidia highend performance. Of course they're going to sell far more.

Add on to that the low cost of manufacture and there's no reason for them to 'overprice' their cards the way nVidia do.

They know it's not about 'Let's put the highest price possible on these cards'. They will definitely sell more and make far more money if more people buy them at a lower price.

It's so simple, I don't get why people assume they're gonna charge crazy prices for their cards. ATi has ended the day of silly priced cards, nVidia have to go cheaper to compete and this is where ATi are destroying nVidia.

Thank you sir.

 

[kylew]

Thank you sir.

No problems squire.

 

[kylew]

I stated £299 but it was an overestimate to show how overpriced it will be in the uk.I bet it will be at least £230+ in the uk for a 5870.I lol'd at £185 for a 5870,we should be so lucky.

Did you even read my post?

'We should be so lucky' eh?

Looks like we've been lucky two times already if you remember.

Read my post again, especially the part where I reminded you that the 3850, 3870, 4850 and 4870 were all their US price plus VAT.

So yes that is $199, $299, $199 and $299 again. Why do you insist on stating otherwise when the last two gens of ATi's cards have been priced as such? You can do all the betting you want, but there's nothing to suggest this price of £230+ that you've made up.

As long as they're $199 and $299 then they're going to be the same for the UK +VAT.

So currently that's about £180+VAT for a 5870. Instead of making things up, keep to that pricing scheme as it's been the same for over a year.

 

[1nvisible]

but remember, GTX260 is the newest generation of cards made.

GTX260 is almost a year old and there is nothing new about its technology, the 8800GTX and GTS were the first new generation of cards, those were the first DX10, Physx, cuda, along with other rubbish, nothing with significant change has taken place since the release of those cards.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Considering a bfg gtx295 is $499.99 on newegg and £359 on ocuk when $500 is £305 using xe exchange site,thats £50 more in the uk.So £180+50 is £230,we'll see if your right.

 

[kylew]

Considering a bfg gtx295 is $499.99 on newegg and £359 on ocuk when $500 is £305 using xe exchange site,thats £50 more in the uk.So £180+50 is £230,we'll see if your right.

I'm convinced that you're not reading my posts. I keep telling you, US price PLUS VAT.

What's £305 + VAT @ 15%? It surely can't be about £350 can it? I think you'll find it is. A £9 discrepancy at £350 is hardly 'rip off' bearing in mind there are slight variations in price between stores anyway.

 

[ghost101]

I also advise ignoring the preorder rip off prices overclockers uk will undoubtedly have.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Going by the thread on the overclockers forum,its not just me that thinks the prices will be higher than you seem to think.

And i am reading your posts,i just think you're been a bit too optimistic.

 

[erocker]

They'll be selling for $299 for a few hours. Then retailers will realize they are flying out the door and start price gouging. History repeats itself.

 

[kylew]

Going by the thread on the overclockers forum,its not just me that thinks the prices will be higher than you seem to think.

And i am reading your posts,i just think you're been a bit too optimistic.

And I've said the same things to them too. Last time with the 4800s people were saying the same thing, and I was saying the same as I am now.

 

[Izliecies]

Going by the thread on the overclockers forum

Share a link?

 

[jaydeejohn]

Going by last gen, the 4870 was faster than the 3870x2.
This gen, the 5870 will be faster than the 4870x2.
Last gen, the 4870 came in at 300$ US
There may be a slightly higher intro price, due to lack of competition, but not much greater, plus the sellers bump included