Tweak for problems with 5xxx cards in 2d windows mode

Chewy · Feb 8, 2010

The only problem I have with my 5850, is panning after zooming in on a picture with Nero photo-viewer.

I use 64-bit win7 I figure a driver-update will resolve the issue

anyone else use Nero for photos and have this happen?

Duffman · Feb 8, 2010

I'm still artifact free. Raising my clocks has resolved my issues. I also haven't had the grey screen of death/reboot since.

Mussels · Feb 8, 2010

interesting...

one thought i'm having, is that lowering the ram clocks too far, perhaps they're tightening timings automatically?

Or maybe the ram just doesn't like running too slow?

Wile E · Feb 8, 2010

Mussels said:
interesting...

one thought i'm having, is that lowering the ram clocks too far, perhaps they're tightening timings automatically?

Or maybe the ram just doesn't like running too slow?

My educated guess is too much voltage for the low clocks. I've seen it a million times with underclocking cpus, where a higher voltage was less stable than a lower one.

qubit · Feb 8, 2010

Mussels said:
interesting...

one thought i'm having, is that lowering the ram clocks too far, perhaps they're tightening timings automatically?

Or maybe the ram just doesn't like running too slow?

I've had video corruption/artifacts while experimenting with underclocking a video card - and it was just in 2D desktop mode on XP. At some point, the chip is running so slow that it can no longer support the video mode being used. Switching to a lower res mode will solve the problem. The clocks can be lowered a bit more after that. Too low though and nothing at all works. Heck, try it!

qubit · Feb 8, 2010

Wile E said:
My educated guess is too much voltage for the low clocks. I've seen it a million times with underclocking cpus, where a higher voltage was less stable than a lower one.

I've not tried it, but I'm not surprised that this is true: as the clock frequency is lowered, the voltage swings would get too large for the chip to work properly and would tend to saturate it, leading to reflected signals, ringing and a million other possibilites, all bad.

It's the exact opposite of what happens when you overclock. Here, the signal amplitude becomes smaller the higher the frequency and more voltage is required to restore it. Of course, too much voltage and frequency will blow the chip, as there's too much energy for it to cope with. Poor thing.

Helper · Feb 8, 2010

Duffman said:
I'm still artifact free. Raising my clocks has resolved my issues. I also haven't had the grey screen of death/reboot since.

You guys should be fine for now then. But you can't be completely sure. I had one GPU artifacting on me, I was sure that the card was bad, and I changed it's cooling to a much better one and it all went away. It wasn't because of temps or volts. The card was all at stock. But after using it 2 or 3 months, it screwed itself up. It didn't work anymore. So I learned not to use a GFX card that I think is defective.

Think again about a RMA, it's your bet guys.

GC_PaNzerFIN · Feb 8, 2010

Yep, this is just damn great... Screen flickers in 120Hz mode like nuts as soon as I try change the default clocks even one notch.

ucanmandaa · Feb 9, 2010

Well this tweak works for me too. Next step is doing a modded bios for my Asus 5870. Yes i can flash it

ucanmandaa · Feb 10, 2010

after only a day it i am seeing artifacts again

this is even with 10.1 hotfix drivers... Card is going back

Duffman · Feb 13, 2010

Ok, scrap this. My issues are ongoing as well. Some, although not as much, vertical lines and now the taskbar keeps freaking out and flashing.

Card is getting RMA'd

Thank you Newegg for providing great customer service!

My HD 2900XT is filling in!

Wile E · Feb 13, 2010

Perhaps I stand corrected, and maybe ATI has a bad batch of cards out?

Mussels · Feb 13, 2010

Wile E said:
Perhaps I stand corrected, and maybe ATI has a bad batch of cards out?

my bet is some bad ram that passed QA testing

burebista · Feb 13, 2010

Fresh owner (only for 3 days) of HD5850 and dang, GSOD from first day. Second day too. From yesterday I've installed this and today is a full day without GSOD. Too early to be happy but it's a sign.

It looks like it's a complex problem. Something between ATI hardware/software and Seven latest updates. At least those guys think so.

GC_PaNzerFIN · Feb 13, 2010

Haha defending AMD for being open about issue... Well that kinda bites back to arse when all they have been doing is avoid and ignore the issue in their support.

Thankfully the 10.2 betas are working better so far, just like above user.

Mussels · Feb 14, 2010

GC_PaNzerFIN said:
Haha defending AMD for being open about issue... Well that kinda bites back to arse when all they have been doing is avoid and ignore the issue in their support.

Thankfully the 10.2 betas are working better so far, just like above user.

i much rather drivers fix the issue so quickly, than how long it too nvidia to fix the driver crashes they had on G80.

Wile E · Feb 14, 2010

Mussels said:
i much rather drivers fix the issue so quickly, than how long it too nvidia to fix the driver crashes they had on G80.

What does nVidia's former G80 problems have anything at all to do with modern drivers? Sorry to say, ATI is currently behind nV when it come to the quality of drivers.

Mussels · Feb 14, 2010

Wile E said:
What does nVidia's former G80 problems have anything at all to do with modern drivers? Sorry to say, ATI is currently behind nV when it come to the quality of drivers.

its an example, that in the past Nv had just as many issues (a very similar problem really) with new GPU cores.

Yes, ATI is having more issues than Nv right now - but its because Nv hasnt released a new core in so long, they've got experience with the cores they have.

3 months/3 drivers and ATI's solving the grey screen issues fairly rapidly with drivers, took Nv a lot longer

GC_PaNzerFIN · Feb 14, 2010

At least they (NV) have now had extra time to polish the drivers than they originally planned. Probably only good thing about the delays...

Wile E · Feb 14, 2010

Mussels said:
its an example, that in the past Nv had just as many issues (a very similar problem really) with new GPU cores.

Yes, ATI is having more issues than Nv right now - but its because Nv hasnt released a new core in so long, they've got experience with the cores they have.

3 months/3 drivers and ATI's solving the grey screen issues fairly rapidly with drivers, took Nv a lot longer

Yeah, but ATI has been having issues since 8.11. It's getting out of hand now. Over a year of buggy drivers is total crap.

Mussels · Feb 14, 2010

Wile E said:
Yeah, but ATI has been having issues since 8.11. It's getting out of hand now. Over a year of buggy drivers is total crap.

as noticed in the other thread, you seem to be having more trouble than most.

Have i had issues? yes. scaling is a big one - but at least theres a workaround for that now.

All my other issues, go away when i turn crossfire off. Must be very unpleasant for you, if they do not.

Lionheart · Feb 14, 2010

Hey mussles, do you have a HD5000 series card or you considering in getting one?>

Mussels · Feb 14, 2010

CHAOS_KILLA said:
Hey mussles, do you have a HD5000 series card or you considering in getting one?>

waiting for the refresh

- all the driver bugs will be solved, and i'll get even better power efficiency

Lionheart · Feb 14, 2010

Mussels said:
waiting for the refresh - all the driver bugs will be solved, and i'll get even better power efficiency

lol makes sense, you going for the HD5770's or higher/

Mussels · Feb 14, 2010

CHAOS_KILLA said:
lol makes sense, you going for the HD5770's or higher/

something 5770 sized/power, with 5830?/5850 performance.

I'd like one card at the power of my two 4870's

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