Is downloading and playing the leaked Crysis 2 legal?

[garyinhere]

Man I really wish the Philippines had something WORTH stealing. Anyway I gotta get back to work. Ill be back to destroy all arguments later.

You may be working but you will keep an eye on this train looking for weakness. This train will get derailed by you i'm sure lol I'm surprised it's not locked by now

 

[cdawall]

according to the crysis 1 eula

6. Term and Termination
The term of this Agreement and the license granted herein begin on the date on which you first
download, install, load or otherwise use CRYSIS and shall expire, without notice to you or any other
notice, when CRYSIS is removed from the market.

when crysis is no longer on the market i can copy it as much as i want seeing how crysis 2 is NOT on the market...

 

[Brandenburg]

So no then, you can't think of a way in which piracy is moral.

id just like to point out that morality is irrelevant.. Morality is determined by SOCIETY so not every society will have the same code of what is perceived to be right and wrong... HAD a huge debate on this a few years ago on a military gaming forum.. politics/religion sub forum..

In effect Society determines what is acceptable behavior (Morality)..

 

[AphexDreamer]

I'd like to add this bit posted in the Other Crysis 2 leak thread.

If there no piracy I wouldn't need computer, since there is no way I could afford most of the software. Hell, only office and W7 worth more than my PC. Music, movies, etc... Without piracy most of my country, Serbia, would be in IT prehistory, because W7 costs as a hole month salary... Without piracy, there would be millions of computers less, and the biggest problem is that rich companies and their board of directors would be much, much richer than is today. Instead of their Lamborghini, they would ride in their private airplanes, and the one who have airplanes wound have their personal space ship...

You could almost say Piracy makes the world go round. Its not just your country that would suffer, but many other 2nd and 3rd world countries would as well.

Even certain places in the Unites States would suffer if piracy did not exist at all. Corps are greedy, thats the bottom line. And while its easy to say don't support their stuff, sometimes we have no choice but to use it. (Office, Win7, etc..)

For education and poor schools piracy is a godsend.

 

[erixx]

Scaminatrix is a beta and Mailman is an eula. Just joking.

Now I am going to see the fall of Gadaffi, seriously better that ANY videogame!

 

[TAViX]

not bored yet??

 

[@RaXxaa@]

My personal opinon is try before buy. And nobody will let u do that, And i should be able to test drive the car completely before buying instead of say see it on a poster

 

[LittleLizard]

Things here in Uruguay are at least weird in piracy. I say it's illegal but EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY DOWNLOADS GAMES/MUSIC/MOVIES/OS/ETC illegally (even me sometimes [please dont ban me ], so nobody cares. I'm trying to mend myself (buying games off steam & GOG) but piracy here is everywhere. I recall a meeting on software here 8 months ago where the one who opened said "We've to do something about pirated Windows, etc" and someone pointed out that the Copy of windows that was being used for the presentation had the "This copy of windows maybe illegal. Ask for windows original software." There have been schools closed for using piracy copys of windows when the microsoft of here checks and couldnt afford the fine.

In the end, going back on topic. It's totally illegal to download pirated software, no matter whether you've uploaded it or not.

EDIT: and yes, i used a thread open to talk about this to express my angry to my country's STUPID LAWS ON PIRACY.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Things here in Uruguay are at least weird in piracy. I say it's illegal but EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY DOWNLOADS GAMES/MUSIC/MOVIES/OS/ETC illegally (even me sometimes [please dont ban me ], so nobody cares. I'm trying to mend myself (buying games off steam & GOG) but piracy here is everywhere. I recall a meeting on software here 8 months ago where the one who opened said "We've to do something about pirated Windows, etc" and someone pointed out that the Copy of windows that was being used for the presentation had the "This copy of windows maybe illegal. Ask for windows original software." There have been schools closed for using piracy copys of windows when the microsoft of here checks and couldnt afford the fine.

In the end, going back on topic. It's totally illegal to download pirated software, no matter whether you've uploaded it or not.

EDIT: and yes, i used a thread open to talk about this to express my angry to my country's STUPID LAWS ON PIRACY.

Hey man no worries. The last time I was in Uruguay I can honestly say software piracy is the LEAST of your problems (Which reminds me I need to renew my passport). But something like video games is a luxury. Not a necessity like other things. Will windows feed your family in a third world nation (not Uruguay particularly but in general)? The answer is no. As a person who has been to some of these nations I can tell you not many people even have computers so their piracy isn't even substantial.

I'm talking about first world nations whos population is fooling themselves thinking this is legal or even right. For those who legitimately "need" windows but cannot afford it then have your bread. Enjoy and prosper. Downloading games is NEVER a need. There are treaties and such these nations have signed on too that they are breaking. When the law catches up there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[HammerON]

I'd like to add this bit posted in the Other Crysis 2 leak thread.

You could almost say Piracy makes the world go round. Its not just your country that would suffer, but many other 2nd and 3rd world countries would as well.

Even certain places in the Unites States would suffer if piracy did not exist at all. Corps are greedy, thats the bottom line. And while its easy to say don't support their stuff, sometimes we have no choice but to use it. (Office, Win7, etc..)

For education and poor schools piracy is a godsend.

I am not quite sure I understand your rationalization
So because corporations are greedy (in this instance Crytek and EA), it is okay to steal from them?

My personal opinon is try before buy. And nobody will let u do that, And i should be able to test drive the car completely before buying instead of say see it on a poster

Crytek has announced that a PC Beta will be available in March - this should allow you a "test" drive.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Who cares if it's legal. I'm much more bothered by the thought of it being discussed on here period. Historically this doesn't go well on any tech forum.

Every single one of us has broken some law at some point, highly likely by choice, and probably continuing to do so now. Yet some stand around picking and choosing which ones they deem ok to break, and which are "wrong". Getting all moral-fag on people's asses because they personally think breaking law B is worse than law C. Well fudge you, there's plenty that would agree breaking law C is worse. Now that it's all flipped around they can be the victim of hollow moral scrutiny.

Here's a common situation. Someone here either directly or inadvertently reveals they pirated something. Cue someone coming along and saying something to the effect of "you very bad, I spit at your feet with disgust". And naturally, a very large portion of the time this person will have broken many laws themselves. A common one would be speeding. It could easily be argued that speeding endangers lives, where as piracy does not. Now who gets to stand on the higher moral ground? All these discussions do is embarrass the morally over zealous and or ostracize whatever poor schmuck revealed his particular law breaking habits.

Despite all the big words and convoluted excuses, accusations and thanks button clicks thrown around in these discussion they ultimately boil down to a big fat waste of time that changes squat about anyone's opinion on anything. As such, I believe this picture is the only thing that ever needs to be posted in such a ridiculous discussion.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/ChevyCobb/cartman-i-do-what-i-want.jpg

this.. nothing good comes from us letting this take over the game section of the forum like it has..

 

[TheMailMan78]

this.. nothing good comes from us letting this take over the game section of the forum like it has..

Yes because ignorance is a much safer route.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Yes because ignorance is a much safer route.

in terms of the site and not ur ego.. yes it is

 

[TheMailMan78]

in terms of the site and not ur ego.. yes it is

My ego has nothing to do with it. People staying ignorant of the damage they are causing is not a safer route on this site or anywhere else. Please this thread has remained civil so far. I may disagree with people on here but I have show no disrespect.

When you start to show disrespect its similar when you back an animal into a corner. They have no way out but to attack. Are you going to be that animal? Lets keep it civil.

 

[beyond_amusia]

Hmm... It's only illegal if you get caught! =)
Is it ethical? Ah, there's the grey area...

EDIT: I do not endorse piracy or software sampling.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Hmm... It's only illegal if you get caught! =)
Is it ethical? Ah, there's the grey area...

EDIT: I do not endorse piracy or software sampling.

Of course its not ethical. But thats not the debate.

However I see Benetanegia lurking. lol

 

[AphexDreamer]

I am not quite sure I understand your rationalization
So because corporations are greedy (in this instance Crytek and EA), it is okay to steal from them?




Crytek has announced that a PC Beta will be available in March - this should allow you a "test" drive.

Piracy as a whole, not just gaming. It was a response to the quote from the guy in Serbia.

Believe it or not there are plenty of schools here in America that teach from books that were made in the 70's and 80's cause they can't afford modern day text books.

Those schools benefit greatly from the ability to pirate, heck countries too.


Now of course education and entertainment are two different things this was to address the benefits of piracy in general.

Corps already use their money to influence the law to steal from us :/

Did you know Corporations that hire small business are starting to pay those small business in 60 days when the small business have to pay their workers in 30 days! It used to be 30 days for Corporations to but they get away with doing that.

Corporations got their wish and are treated as people, now they want to get rid of the the current limit they have when donating to political people. Soon (if not already) they will control the government. Money is power my friend and guess who has the money.


So although this doesn't necessarily apply to Crytek or EA (Maybe) this leak is doing everything but hurting them.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Piracy as a whole, not just gaming. It was a response to the quote from the guy in Serbia.

Believe it or not there are plenty of schools here in America that teach from books that were made in the 70's and 80's cause they can't afford modern day text books.

Those schools benefit greatly from the ability to pirate, heck countries too.


Now of course education and entertainment are two different things this was to address the benefits of piracy in general.

Corps already use their money to influence the law to steal from us in ways you can't even imagine. So piracy is like a good way of putting them in their place.

Did you know Corporations that hire small business are starting to pay those small business in 60 days when the small business have to pay their workers in 30 days! It used to be 30 days for Corporations to but they get away with doing that.

Corporations got their wish and are treated as people, now they want to get rid of the the current limit they have when donating to political people. Soon (if not already) they will control the government. Money is power my friend and guess who has the money.


So although this doesn't necessarily apply to Crytek or EA (Maybe) this leak is doing everything but hurting them.

Oh cool so your like robin hood when you pirate software!? Really man? Really?

One day guys like me will hang up our Wacoms and easel and say screw it. If we can't feed our family with our trade then we ain't doing it. Then guess what. Welcome to the new dark age. Artists are already starving man. Now you want to justify stealing our work? Because thats what you are doing.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Oh cool so your like robin hood when you pirate software!? Really man? Really?

One day guys like me will hang up our Wacoms and easel and say screw it. If we can't feed our family with our trade then we ain't doing it. Then guess what. Welcome to the new dark age. Artists are already starving man. Now you want to justify stealing our work? Because thats what you are doing.

I'm an artiest and put my work up for free so call me what you want, doesn't bother me.

A big companyy like EA, Crytek, Valve with tons of people and tons of money behind them and huge popularity is nothing like you or me man. Your comparing an Apple with tanks here buddy.

Btw, here is my music you can download for free bro. http://soundcloud.com/gerfeso

If you like it.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I'm an artiest and put my work up for free so call me what you want, doesn't bother me.

A big companyy like EA, Crytek, Valve with tons of people and tons of money behind them and huge popularity is nothing like you or me man. Your comparing an Apple with tanks here buddy.

Btw, here is my music you can download for free bro. http://soundcloud.com/gerfeso

If you like it.

Yeah but I am a PROFESSIONAL. I make money off of my art. My creativity costs money. Big companies pay me to be creative. When you steal from them you steal from me and people like me.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Yeah but I am a PROFESSIONAL. I make money off of my art. My creativity costs money. Big companies pay me to be creative. When you steal from them you steal from me and people like me.

Well I doubt your professional work is being downloaded by the masses.

And if it were I doubt you'd be bitching.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Well I doubt your professional work in being downloaded by the masses.

And if it were I doubt you'd be bitching.

Ever seen the Super bowl? This thread isn't about me. If it were you would be very surprised. I can pretty much say with confidence everyone on this forum has seen my work at one time or another and yeah, I don't want you stealing it or copying it.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Ever seen the Super bowl? This thread isn't about me. If it were you would be very surprised. I can pretty much say with confidence everyone on this forum has seen my work at one time or another and yeah, I don't want you stealing it or copying it.

Don't worry, you can be rest assured I won't. Ever

 

[beyond_amusia]

Well, in all fairness, most people who can afford kick ass computers, great laptops, game systems with all the accessories and the newest 3D TVs usually don't pirate anything beyond music (and those people usually buy their music on iTunes anyway). Piracy IS a problem, but it's not like a majority of people are lined up to grab a torrent and run with it. (Most people don't even know how to use torrents anyway, which I think is good.)

And to the people who buy 4 $800 graphics cards, fry them via modifying, then come here crying about how it'll be 3 days before the replacements arrive, you have no biz pirating anything.

Poor people, I can understand that they would pirate software either because they are not very educated with tech or simply cannot afford $60 for a video game (and really, it DOES seem to take a long time for those prices to come down!). Poor people can have nice computers too, either through hard work, gifts or luck - so, I don't assume that people with the latest things are spoiled. They may be lucky enough to have nice things, but still cannot afford new games.

I'm not excusing them, just saying that some people have more of an excuse to download Fallout New Vegas than others. It doesn't make it right, but it's really the only way they'll be able to play video games until the price on a given title falls, which can take a while (Diablo 2 is still $40 for example, while The Sims 3 can be had for around $20).

I am poor, but don't download games illegally anymore. It's just too much hassle, and not worth the security risks and fines if I was caught. I have my software through luck and circumstance. There are games I'd love to buy, but I cannot justify $60 for a game, so I have to wait over a year for the core version to go on sale at Walmart for $20ish.

Now, regarding games that are not even released yet - I think it's wrong to download them. If you can afford the game, buy it on launch day. If you can't afford it, pick up a used copy like I usually do.

The solution to piracy I think is to charge less for the digital version of the game. Rape people on the collector's sets, but cut some $ off for people who only want to buy a digital copy. People will still steal, but it'd reduce some piracy for sure.

 

[beyond_amusia]

I'm an artiest and put my work up for free so call me what you want, doesn't bother me.

A big companyy like EA, Crytek, Valve with tons of people and tons of money behind them and huge popularity is nothing like you or me man. Your comparing an Apple with tanks here buddy.

Btw, here is my music you can download for free bro. http://soundcloud.com/gerfeso

If you like it.

ahaha, I give mine away too!

Fck the record labels, they are greedy!

EDIT: By greedy, I mean the artists don't get much off record sales - Buy from the artist directly whenever possible!