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suggestion for consideration of new subforum, "Audio Hardware"

Do you think an "audio" subforum would be a helpful?

  • Yes, an "audio hardware" section would be a great addition to TPU!

    Votes: 61 88.4%
  • No, "General Hardware" serves audio hardware questions just fine.

    Votes: 8 11.6%

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Problem Solved =)


I have this problem.......


......please help


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How is that not good enough?
 

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Unprofessional? Who's trying to be professional?
 

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Correct answer.

 

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Problem Solved =)


I have this problem.......

It looks unprofessional. If it flagged up as problem solved in the title I can save time opening to pages to see if its been solved already.

Edit:

But like I said it saves time if I know the problem has been solved before visiting that particular thread, the added professionalism is just a bonus. I just hate going into threads reading the entire thread which is sometimes 3 or 4 pages to find out its been answered.

Some TPU visitors have just created their accounts so they are not as courteous as us veterans and do not think of editing their original post to say "problem solved" - I've only seen that done a few times in my 4 year duration on this forum, hence why if there a button that noobs can press once they have got their answer that flags up in the title it would allow us to see which threads still have unsolved questions and would allow us to focus our attention more on the people that need it.
 
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I just hate going into threads reading the entire thread which is sometimes 3 or 4 pages to find out its been answered.

Right, so do as I suggested and look for a courteous "problem solved" text in the OP. It's the same amount of courtesy as flagging your thread something, only a different process.

But like I said it saves time if I know the problem has been solved before visiting that particular thread, the added professionalism is just a bonus.

On an internet support forum, 'professionalism' isn't expected of anyone. If the text is legible, and the language clean, that's enough. If the first thing you see when you load up a thread is "problem solved", you can simply hit 'back' or, out of curiosity stay on the thread and see how the problem got solved, and maybe find something to contribute on. If tomorrow you're presented with a list of threads swarming with "problem solved" flags, you're not going to be interested in checking the threads out in the first place. W1zzard needn't waste his time working out a feature like this. If not having it would TPU the "ancient" and "uncool" tag from people like you, so be it. "Coolness" is traded off for simplicity.


And please don't disfigure this thread trying to move new responses to older posts. It ends up confusing readers.
 
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I would like to add.

As well as saving time and increasing professionalism, it also saves bandwidth.

A lof of people here are on ISPs where they have a bandwidth limit per day/month - Do you really want to open a thread with loads of screenshot images for builds only to find out the thread has been answered at the expense of loosing bandwidth?
 

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Bandwidth (on our side) is not an issue. Never was, never will be.

On your side, things won't be any different than they are now. (if this flagging feature isn't implemented). You're only ending up saving ~50 KB per page with 24 posts of text (if all the images are precached, like they are for most browsers).
 

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Bandwidth is not an issue. Never was, never will be.

Not for you because you do not pay our internet bill.

One "Spec me a PC thread" may have loads of images of builds from Newegg.com.

My bandwidth quoter starts from 10am and ends at 9pm.


Click on a thread > Look for the bold "problem solved" text (first thing in the OP) > Stop the loading if you see it (stop button on the browser) > save bandwidth.



With a 20 Mb/sec connection I would of downloaded all those images before I got a chance to read the threadstarters edited "problem soved" text.


Edit: original posted on 07-05-2009, 10:05 PM

What I'm saying makes 100% sense, I would rather you just say "I will consult W1zzard but its unlikely to happen due to him being busy". You are making me sound like my idea is absolute alien.
 
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Click on a thread > Look for the bold "problem solved" text (first thing in the OP) > Stop the loading if you see it (stop button on the browser) > save bandwidth.

Once again, don't move new responses to older posts. It confuses readers.
 
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Well, I thought I'd bring this back up again - and will again cite my reasoning why I feel having a seperate subforum for audio hardware would be worthwhile.

1.) There's a lot to cover - everything from standalone audio cards and motherboard onboard solutions, to headsets and multi-channel speaker systems and recievers . . . both anaologue and digital. As it is, I feel a lot of the threads discussing these topics tend to get buried rather quickly within the GH subforum - having a subforum for dealing with audio equipment and hardware would make them much more easier to spot . . . and would eliminate some of the clutter that, IMHO, abounds in the GH section. Personally, I feel that if this aspect of the tech market can be given more exposure, we'd see more users becoming interested in it as well. I can recall maybe 3 different threads over the last 6 months where a few of our more knowledgable users had engaged in some fairly in-depth discussion over audio hardware, and those discussions, IMO, were quite beneficial and helpful to users who read through them . . . I think that if we could have a more dedicated space for such discussion would entice more users to engage the subject matter as well. We have some extremelly knowledgable audio hardware users around TPU . . .


2.) Audio equipment itself has changed a lot over the years, and with the advent of onboard systems, various other issues have come up . . . with stand-alone audio cards becoming more and more prevailant in systems (even OE systems), I forsee more questions and discussions arising in the future . . . even more-so when one takes into account how much more powerful other system devices are, and the oftimes negative impact these devices can have on audio equipment (high-powered GPUs, CPUs . . . WiFi devices, numerous high-powered case fans, 1kW+ PSUs, etc.) . . . not to mention how picky and sensitive audio equipment and hardware is . . . IMHO, it seems many times we see repeat threads asking the same questions about nearly the same equipment or hardware . . . again, users don't seem to like to search through dozens and dozens of threads for answers . . .


3.) Most other major sites have some sort of subforum for audio equipment or multimedia . . . and these sections thrive quite well. Although GH does cover audio hardware and equipment by and "umbrella" standard, the market itself is strong enough to warrant individual attention . . . Also, ongoing discussions tend to carry on much longer when not being buried by neighboring threads, and awarness of audio equipment in general would prove beneficial to the community as a whole - I think many people are rather mystified as to how audio processing is carried out, and being able to have a section that users can easily browse through on the topic would be beneficial, as, again, most users don't like to hunt too far for answers . . .


Asides - I also think it'd be great if TPU could start offering reviews of new audio hardware (audio cards themselves, not simply speaker sets and headphones), but I'm not sure what all kinds of work that would entail to arrange. IMO, that's one opf the few types of hardware that seems overlooked with TPU reviews . . .


Anyhow, just wanted to throw this back out into the arena, and open a poll with it as well to collect feedback from our users.

What are y'all's thoughts?

there is a lot to cover i agree, however there isnt that many audio related posts to justify a dedicated section imo. and there is the audiophile clubhouse or whatever its called where more in depth information can be found and discussed, i dont see having a dedicated sub-forum as a neccessity
 

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With a 20 Mb/sec connection I would of downloaded all those images before I got a chance to read the threadstarters edited "problem soved" text.

In which case, we can't help it.

The tradeoff between implementing this feature to save bandwidth for people like you, and not implementing it to make sure people read threads, and look for ways to contribute/learn, is such, that we'd rather have the latter.

Then again, flagging your thread as "solved" would be at the behest of the thread starter. If a problem is solved and the user chooses not flag his thread (keeping it open for responses), you're anyway made to go through the thread, for which you can't complain.

And speaking of modernity in internet forums, I can tell popular forums don't use these kind of thread flagging features (for the reasons I mentioned).

We are already saving our users tons of bandwidth by not vomiting ads at them.

What I'm saying makes 100% sense, I would rather you just say "I will consult W1zzard but its unlikely to happen due to him being busy". You are making me sound like my idea is absolute alien.

"Your idea making sense" is a whole lot different from "your idea is good, and should be implemented". Don't try to confuse between the two. Your idea may make perfect sense to me, but at the same time, may not be in the best interests of the users and the website, for which I will defend my contention, and let someone running the site/users see the argument.
 
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there is a lot to cover i agree, however there isnt that many audio related posts to justify a dedicated section imo. and there is the audiophile clubhouse or whatever its called where more in depth information can be found and discussed, i dont see having a dedicated sub-forum as a neccessity


although I generally agree that there isn't A LOT of audio related threads - I think it falls back to what btarunr pointed out earlier (and also what I was trying to say), in that, currently, there's not a ton of interest and demand (just enough for things to pop up now and then), but by having a seperate forum would help to generate that interest and demand . . . it moves the subject matter into it's own area.

It's kinda like, for example . . . if boxing had initially started by having matches only at the circus - how many people would really attend the circus only for a boxing match? But, move the attraction away from the big-tent, and it starts drawing more people . . .

We've had a few in-depth audio discussions in a few threads, and only a handful of users really get involved - most others I think are happy to read the discussion itself, as they don't really know enough to join in (prime example, this thread: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=97343 - what started off as a news topic quickly turned into good discussion, then de-railed) . . . again, if we have a more dedicated area for these threads to thrive without being drowned out by GH threads, I'm sure interest in this aspect of PC tech will continue to grow . . .

As well, another issue I've noticed is that a lot of the questions that do arise are quickly drowned out by other threads in GH, and it seems that a lot of audio/video related threads seem to be repeats of a similar question another users has asked in the recent past - I'm sure I'm not the only one to say that my responses in those threads could easily have been copied+pasted from an earlier question I had answered . . .




As to the other idea - Although I agree with btarunr about editing the OP that the issue is solved, it's near impossible to rely on the users to be willing to do such . . . most of the regulars here wouldn't have a problem with it, but new users but not be so inclined . . . as well, there's always the issue of users forgetting, too . . .

Which would leave it to the mods to make the edit to the OP, which is just more work for the mods . . . of which, I don't truly feel the need to be burdened or troubled with . . .

sadly, I can't really think of a decent compromise between the two ideas, ATM. :ohwell:
 

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I like the idea of a multimedia sub-forum in GH. However may I suggest we dump GN?.......oh wait I already did :laugh:

Seriously if there is enough people on here that are audiophiles than I really do feel that an audio section at the least would be appropriate.
 

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The decent compromise is that nothing changes at all.



agreed - besides, there's nothing wrong with reviving a recently dead thread if some good information can be added to the topic . . . :toast:
 
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The decent compromise is that nothing changes at all.

Well, keeping with that trend. Why don't we just change "General Hardware" to "General Hardware... + Sound"
 

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Well, keeping with that trend. Why don't we just change "General Hardware" to "General Hardware... + Sound"



well, regarding audio related questions - that wouldn't accomplish much of anything.

The idea was to move the material into it's own subforum where it would get more acknowledgment and attention, and not be drowned out by the flood of questions in GH.
 

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Gonna play the necro card on this one. I saw a thread recently that reminded me about how much I really wanted a sound subforum.
 

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i still think we need a 'home theater' section, where it covers displays (Monitors, TV's) and audio, as well as the software side of things. (MCE software, video/music playback, etc)
 

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Multimedia subforum?
Multimedia hardware and software: sound cards, displays, speakers, and related software
 
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The only issue I have with the multimedia idea is it might kill the general section entirely. Don't we get enough sound related postings for it to deserve a section by itself? Seems like.
 

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The only issue I have with the multimedia idea is it might kill the general section entirely. Don't we get enough sound related postings for it to deserve a section by itself? Seems like.

the whole point of general hardware was that its for topics that dont fit in the dedicated sections. IMO it should be a lesser used forum anyway, i see no reason to jam everything into the one section.
 

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General hardware? Nah, I don't think people would be posting about their CPUs, power supplies and such in the multimedia section.
 

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General hardware? Nah, I don't think people would be posting about their CPUs, power supplies and such in the multimedia section.

exactly, but thats where the multimedia questions are ending up right now. doesnt seem right to me.
 
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Wouldn't care much for the "multimedia" name, as I consider it a buzzword from the 90s for a computer with a functional CD-ROM... I would love to see a decent AV section though.
 
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