AMD Readies Two More FX Series Processors

[Vulpesveritas]

We don't know if the new vishera piledriver has any improvements clock for clock,what is known for sure is that they will be higher clocked.
And you expect these ones to be better clock for clock?
I don't want to be rude but that was a funny question.

I'm not wondering about performance improvements, i'm wondering if there is any difference in buying a b2 FX-4100 and overclocking it to the same speeds as the b3 4170. That's more what I'm wondering.

 

[AvonX]

I'm not wondering about performance improvements, i'm wondering if there is any difference in buying a b2 FX-4100 and overclocking it to the same speeds as the b3 4170. That's more what I'm wondering.

I think the 4170 would be a better chip than the 4100.
Not clock for clock performance but better overclocking capability.but i dont know how much headroom it has.
Nobody came out to show us yet.
Probably the 4170 chip is due to better yields from glofo.
Hence the upgrade to their chips.

 

[Dent1]

We don't know if the new vishera piledriver has any improvements clock for clock,what is known for sure is that they will be higher clocked.
And you expect these ones to be better clock for clock?
I don't want to be rude but that was a funny question.

I think you are getting slightly confused.

These two new FX lines are B3 stepping of Bulldozer not Vishera Piledriver!


B3 stepping is just a slight refinement of Bulldozer. Usually steppings fix small bugs i.e. we know about the bug between Windows Vista/7 and Bulldozer. You might get better scheduling management better overclocking headroom on lower volts etc. But they are minior fixes typically.

Vishera Piledriver will not be out for months and is meant to offer significant clock for clock improvement and quad channel memory support.

 

[AvonX]

I think you are getting slightly confused.

These two new FX lines are B3 steppings of Bulldozer not Vishera Piledriver!


B3 stepping is just a slight refinement. Usually steppings fix small bugs i.e. we know about the bug between Windows Vist/7 and Bulldozer. You might get better scheduling management better overclocking headroom on lower volts.

Vishera Piledriver will not be out for months and is meant to offer signficant clock for clock improvement and quad channel memory support.

gez really?Nooo is that true?
Try to understand better what i am posting.

 

[erocker]

I think you are getting slightly confused.

These two new FX lines are B3 stepping of Bulldozer not Vishera Piledriver!


B3 stepping is just a slight refinement of Bulldozer. Usually steppings fix small bugs i.e. we know about the bug between Windows Vista/7 and Bulldozer. You might get better scheduling management better overclocking headroom on lower volts etc. But they are minior fixes typically.

Vishera Piledriver will not be out for months and is meant to offer significant clock for clock improvement and quad channel memory support.

Yes and no. Clearly with Phenom II there was a difference between their steppings in terms of overclocking headroom. leakage should be a bit better as well.

 

[AvonX]

I think you are getting slightly confused.

These two new FX lines are B3 stepping of Bulldozer not Vishera Piledriver!


B3 stepping is just a slight refinement of Bulldozer. Usually steppings fix small bugs i.e. we know about the bug between Windows Vista/7 and Bulldozer. You might get better scheduling management better overclocking headroom on lower volts etc. But they are minior fixes typically.

Vishera Piledriver will not be out for months and is meant to offer significant clock for clock improvement and quad channel memory support.

Quad channel? LoL LoL for sure you know what you are talking about.

 

[Vulpesveritas]

gez really?Nooo is that true?
Try to understand better what i am posting.

I think you just misunderstood me in the first place. I'm just wondering whether it's worth the $20 when I'd be OCing the chip anyhow as far as power consumption / heat is concerned given how bulldozer likes to eat power.

 

[Dent1]

Quad channel? LoL LoL for sure you know what you are talking about.

Yes Quad channel. Read up on it

AMD's upcoming "Piledriver" architecture, codenamed "Vishera" for the desktop segment, is said to support 10 CPU cores in 5 modules and much better performance. The most interesting chip for our readers is Vishera, which will feature a Quad Channel DDR3 memory controller much like Intel's Sandybridge-E CPUs.

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12331/

Vishera, Terramar, and Sepang, confirming their common lineage compared to today's "Bulldozer" architecture. The most catchy detail is of Vishera featuring 4 DDR3 channels.

http://www.techpowerup.com/159062/AMD-Vishera-Packs-Quad-Channel-DDR3-IMC-G34-En-Route-Desktop-.html


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I think you just misunderstood me in the first place. I'm just wondering whether it's worth the $20 when I'd be OCing the chip anyhow as far as power consumption / heat is concerned given how bulldozer likes to eat power.

I think if you can grab B3 go for it. No point getting the old refinement unless its signficantly cheaper. Bulldozer is a good overclocker anyways so you'll be happy if OC'ing is your main concern. Cool & Quiet can still be applied to lower voltages and lower clock speed when the CPU is idle/untaxed so power consumption should be relatively ok still.

somebody please correct Dent1 cause i don't feel like doing it.
Cause he will just go on and on saying BS.

If I'm wrong I hold my hands up and apologise. I'm just saying that the tech sites say and what AMD have announced.

 

[AvonX]

I think you just misunderstood me in the first place. I'm just wondering whether it's worth the $20 when I'd be OCing the chip anyhow as far as power consumption / heat is concerned given how bulldozer likes to eat power.

What you have quoted there was not meant for you.
I was talking to someone else.

 

[AvonX]

somebody please correct Dent1 cause i don't feel like doing it.
Cause he will just go on and on saying BS.

 

[AvonX]

Dent1 where have you bean lately?
have you bean in a cave or something?

 

[Dent1]

Dent1 where have you bean lately?
have you bean in a cave or something?

No need to triple post.

What exactly about Bulldozer B3 stepping & Piledriver is inaccurate? This is an educational experience. If what I'm saying is incorrect share it so the entire community can learn.

 

[AvonX]

No need to triple post.

What exactly about Bulldozer B3 stepping & Piledriver is inaccurate? This is an educational experience. If what I'm saying is incorrect share it so the entire community can learn.

Ok wait so vishera will be packed with 10 cores,correct??

This is the link you gave above: http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12331/

 

[eidairaman1]

I am not a kid.
I am probably older than you.
So show some respect.

Well if you are older than I am, act your age dude because to me you sound childish most of the time you have been here.


-end rant-

moving on

 

[Frick]

Ok wait so vishera will be packed with 10 cores,correct??

This is the link you gave above: http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12331/

It does say ten cores and four memory channels indeed. I don't see the argument really.

 

[AvonX]

Ok i will be mature and provide Dent1 the correct specs for vishera.
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/SABERTOOTH_990FX/#specifications

Tell me what you see there for memory dent?
It says dual channel correct?
Vishera cpus will be on these same boards (AM3+)
They will not have 10 cores.,but (8 cores)
You can also go to the official website of amd and click on AMD Roadmaps and download the pdf file to confirm it.
Here: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-2012analystday

 

[Dent1]

Ok i will be mature and provide Dent1 the correct specs for vishera.
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/SABERTOOTH_990FX/#specifications

Tell me what you see there for memory dent?
It says dual channel correct?
Vishera cpus will be on these same boards (AM3+)
They will not have 10 cores.,but (8 cores)

That is current support for upto 8 cores. They can support more cores with a bios update.

For example the original AM2(+) went on to support 4 core and 6 core processors through a mere bios update.

 

[AvonX]

That is current support for upto 8 cores. They can support more cores with a bios update.

For example the original AM2(+) went on to support 4 core and 6 core processors through a mere bios update.

You can also go to the official website of amd and click on AMD Roadmaps and download the pdf file to confirm it.
Here: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74...2012analystday

4 and 8 core versions.

They canceled that,it was going to be on a new chipset. (New Motherboards)
But insted vishera remains to the current motherboards AM3+

 

[Dent1]

You can also go to the official website of amd and click on AMD Roadmaps and download the pdf file to confirm it.
Here: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74...2012analystday

I never said AMD going to release 16 cores. I said more cores could* be supported with a bios update.

The roadmap clearly says 16 core for server market based on Piledriver architecture, so they could give us upto 16 core on a desktop level via bios update if they wished. Maintaining advertised TDP levels which make 8 cores a sensible choice.

The roadmap does indeed confirm AMD's interest in quad channel memory, atleast in the server Piledriver processors.

 

[AvonX]

We are talking for desktops here not servers dent.
Ok more cores.
They are also going to release a 48 core versions for the servers.
And 24 cores for the enthusiast market.

 

[eidairaman1]

thus the server will be downclocked and desktop upclocked. Honestly Clock speed shouldnt be a selling point like it was during the P4

 

[AvonX]

thus the server will be downclocked and desktop upclocked. Honestly Clock speed shouldnt be a selling point like it was during the P4

True you can also wait for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUbrBe5o-A

 

[Dent1]

True you can also wait for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUbrBe5o-A

You make no sense?

So you are saying AMD will delay releasing their processor? - because that is what the video is about.

I fail to see what a delay has got to do with "the server will be downclocked and desktop upclocked".

 

[AvonX]

You make no sense?

So you are saying AMD will delay releasing their processor? - because that is what the video is about.

I fail to see what a delay has got to do with "the server will be downclocked and desktop upclocked".

I never said AMD going to release 16 cores. I said more cores could* be supported with a bios update.

The roadmap clearly says 16 core for server market based on Piledriver architecture, so they could give us upto 16 core on a desktop level via bios update if they wished. Maintaining advertised TDP levels which make 8 cores a sensible choice.
The roadmap does indeed confirm AMD's interest in quad channel memory, atleast in the server Piledriver processors.

Ok if they wished yes it could be done but only with a bios update.
But i don't think they will do something like that.
Since the server parts until now only support up to 16 cores.
Unfortunately they will not do it cause first they need performance improvement.
There is no reason for them to give more cores to a normal user.
What the hell will a normal user do with 16 cores?He won't have a server anyway to utilize all those cores.
Yes and quad channel memory will be only supported for server parts.

 

[Norton]

I looked a bunch of places and can't find anything to support that these are B3 revision silicon?? Please provide a link that supports this assumption.

These new chips have all of the signs of AMD binning and/or harvesting the B2 stepping for more model #'s (increased clocks with increased TDP, differing amounts of cache, etc..)

Earlier reports on the FX-6200 and FX-4170 suggested the same but they are in fact B2 stepping chips (part# on my FX-6200 and cpuz confirm this)

Until then I await actual release dates, part #'s, and reviews

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