TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

qubit · May 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Bullshit. A shim is a bit of metal that will brace the CPU agains the heatsink, and prevent damage to the core. NO R&D involved, jsut a couple of measurements, and cutting some metal, or even plastic.

like this:

http://www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/coppershims/durontop.jpg

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/tsr/img/shim10.jpg

You can pretty much guarantee that extreme guys are gonna want one.

That's true, it's a quick thing to design.

Your AMD pic reminds me of when I tried buying a shim for my Athlon XP. I put it on, put the paste on and then the heatsink... and the CPU nearly burned up through lack of proper contact. That particular bit of metal found itself in the bin in no time flat.

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Bullshit. A shim is a bit of metal that will brace the CPU agains the heatsink, and prevent damage to the core. NO R&D involved, jsut a couple of measurements, and cutting some metal, or even plastic.

like this:

http://www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/coppershims/durontop.jpg

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/tsr/img/shim10.jpg

You can pretty much guarantee that extreme guys are gonna want one.

Oh some homemade job? Thought so, because these won't be mass produced, which is what I was talking about. Hence the R&D reference.

Mussels · May 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Bullshit. A shim is a bit of metal that will brace the CPU agains the heatsink, and prevent damage to the core. NO R&D involved, jsut a couple of measurements, and cutting some metal, or even plastic.

like this:

http://www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/coppershims/durontop.jpg

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/tsr/img/shim10.jpg

You can pretty much guarantee that extreme guys are gonna want one.

cheap to make, and worth their weight in gold to people on watercooling after de-lidding their IHS

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

qubit said:
That's true, it's a quick thing to design.

Your AMD pic reminds me of when I tried buying a shim for my Athlon XP. I put it on, put the paste on and then the heatsink... and the CPU nearly burned up through lack of proper contact. That particular bit of metal found itself in the bin in no time flat.

If you tried to buy it, how did it get on your CPU?

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

Mussels said:
cheap to make, and worth their weight in gold to people on watercooling after de-lidding their IHS

Weird that people did that. I had to google back to 2002-2007 to see any reference of it.

Mussels · May 13, 2012

Jurassic1024 said:
Weird that people did that. I had to google back to 2002-2007 to see any reference of it.

its been a while since we've needed (or even been able to) remove an IHS. i did it on my socket 939 systems to replace the TIM, iirc.

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

Mussels said:
its been a while since we've needed (or even been able to) remove an IHS. i did it on my socket 939 systems to replace the TIM, iirc.

Why not just delid, apply better paste, then relid, rather than go right for direct contact at the risk of damaging the die? Just curious.

Mussels · May 13, 2012

Jurassic1024 said:
Why not just delid, apply better paste, then relid, rather than go right for direct contact at the risk of damaging the die? Just curious.

for the same reason we dont stack heatsinks on top of each other, better temps.

i did replace the TIM and re-lid, but i tested without and had better temps. i just didnt want to leave it that way, since i moved my system a lot to LAN parties.

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

Mussels said:
for the same reason we dont stack heatsinks on top of each other, better temps.

i did replace the TIM and re-lid, but i tested without and had better temps. i just didnt want to leave it that way, since i moved my system a lot to LAN parties.

What kind of temps were you getting with it on versus off?

Mussels · May 13, 2012

Jurassic1024 said:
What kind of temps were you getting with it on versus off?

since i was on air, about 3-5C. had i been on water, i bet the difference would have been larger.

Jurassic1024 · May 13, 2012

Mussels said:
since i was on air, about 3-5C. had i been on water, i bet the difference would have been larger.

Not bad. Thanks.

qubit · May 13, 2012

Jurassic1024 said:
If you tried to buy it, how did it get on your CPU?

Eh?

An Athlon XP dates from 2003, so I'm talking about a decade ago, lol. Dang, TPU didn't even exist then!

zomg · May 13, 2012

RejZoR said:
Can you even get CPU's without stupid GPU being integrated in the die?

xeon ivy bridge may have gpu part on die, but it will be disabled on most models, so you will save some temperatures and tdp
making xeon ivy bridge best alternative for i7/i5 "without K" models
especially for i5 models, because most xeons have HT, and i5 don't

Velvet Wafer · May 13, 2012

good for overclockers with heart, and bad for stock buyers, that dont want to cut their IHS :laugh:

vega22 · May 13, 2012

its good to see data which doesnt tally with what intel is saying but i want more data before i an convinced.

OneCool · May 13, 2012

qubit said:
Eh? An Athlon XP dates from 2003, so I'm talking about a decade ago, lol. Dang, TPU didn't even exist then!

Yep.Back in the day. Just as fun then

_JP_ · May 13, 2012

zomg said:
xeon ivy bridge may have gpu part on die, but it will be disabled on most models, so you will save some temperatures and tdp
making xeon ivy bridge best alternative for i7/i5 "without K" models
especially for i5 models, because most xeons have HT, and i5 don't

You have just changed my upgrade plans completely. I had forgotten about the Xeons entirely.

reverze · May 13, 2012

and xeon has 8mb cache compared to 6mb that i5 has

zomg · May 13, 2012

xeon ivy bridge release date is tomorrow

but they was fabricated for some time, asian market already have them

so it is still a big question what thermal solution they have inside

eidairaman1 · May 13, 2012

I felt this was a good move actually. Overclocking took effort. I see it like this go big or go home

SK-1 · May 13, 2012

Tim who?

beck24 · May 13, 2012

eidairaman1 said:
so basically someone was thinkin it be cheaper or to cater to extreme overclockers

I hope some bean counter's head will roll! Unacceptable for Intel to cut quality on a new launch.

TheLostSwede · May 13, 2012

eidairaman1 · May 13, 2012

beck24 said:
I hope some bean counter's head will roll! Unacceptable for Intel to cut quality on a new launch.

They wont n intel is not perfect

jihadjoe · May 13, 2012

I don't get the aversion to using shims. Re-lidding the CPU is very inefficient compared to direct touch. Anyways we all did that shimming thing back in the day, and I'm willing to bet most people here didn't have any problems.

Those old Athlon XP/Duron days were awesome.

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TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

Should Intel release a new IVB revision to address temperatures?

Yes, more OC potential is needed

Yes, but not immediately

No, Ivy Bridge works great

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