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Peter1986C · Apr 3, 2013

brandonwh64 said:
Ok bad things happened yesterday. I tore both the cruncher and HTPC down to swap cases and I had nothing but problems with the HTPC case with fitting and then it would fail to power on due to having the dual PCI nic card in. Once I got that take back out which is a pain since the case is hard to work with then I got it put back together for it to not boot AGAIN! It had this clunky touch screen power button. So then I was so mad I took it back apart for the final time and found the stupid cable that runs that panel somehow got unplugged. Well thought my problems were done so I test it and it works so then I put it all back together and setup next to my TV. THe time came to turn it back on to start crunching and guess what...... MORE FRICKEN PROBLEMS! It would boot for 10 seconds enough for the boot screen then turn off and back on! I got so mad I punched the front of the case with so much force that the front panel EXPLODED! I then took all the parts out and took the old case outside an threw it across my yard were it sat for about 3 hours....

I then tested the components and they worked fine on a cardboard box and even crunched for about an hour like that. I guess I will put everything back in the NZXT case and be done with it.

It was about time to retire that Bgears case anyways since it was hacked six days from sunday

When having several consecutive issues/bad luck cases with your PC, stop work on it (the PC) and walk away from it slowly. Go back to it after e.g. a half hour. Sometimes your Mana is just too depleted to be able to do decent spells.

t_ski · Apr 3, 2013

Norton said:
Some say yes, others say not really, but I like to try to keep to around 0.5GB per WU (CPU or GPU). Have been moving my rigs from 4GB up to 8GB recently and they seem to run better with the extra ram imho

Have been getting good deals in our B/S/T trade threads by picking up two sets of 2x4GB ram kits at a time

That means that my 3570K rig with two 7770's and 4GB ram is getting only .25GB each WU. I might have to look into it.

By "runs better" do you mean faster or just all around smoother?

AlienIsGOD · Apr 3, 2013

7770/i5 2400 up and crunching 4 wu's

Norton · Apr 3, 2013

t_ski said:
That means that my 3570K rig with two 7770's and 4GB ram is getting only .25GB each WU. I might have to look into it.

By "runs better" do you mean faster or just all around smoother?

All around smoother with fewer errors/weird stuff and a slight bump up in output (guessing around 5-10% or so depending on what is running on it). Example- the 7770 I put in the "Junior" rig seems to have bumped up from around 30k ppd- now it looks like it will peak out closer to 40k after the ram upgrade (it's still spooling up)... have it set at 6 wu (gpu only) atm

@AlienIsGOD- Woot! :rockout:

@Brandon- Doh!

sorry to hear about the trouble...

Nordic · Apr 4, 2013

For those with many crunchers. What os do you use to crunch on all of them with. Linux, a usb bootable, unactivated windows?

Jstn7477 · Apr 4, 2013

james888 said:
For those with many crunchers. What os do you use to crunch on all of them with. Linux, a usb bootable, unactivated windows?

Windows for anything using GPUs, Linux for CPU-only machines.

[Ion] · Apr 4, 2013

james888 said:
For those with many crunchers. What os do you use to crunch on all of them with. Linux, a usb bootable, unactivated windows?

Linux x64 is the best setup for CPU-only crunchers, although I run Windows 7 x64 or Server 2008 R2 because I'm most familiar with it.

Norton said:
Nice setup! -

*Note- you may run into issues w/ram (is that a 4GB stick?) and cpu cores running/maxing out those beastly gpu's. They should be able to do 10 wu's each (20 total) which would leave 0.2 GB of ram and 0.2 cpu cores per gpu .

Doubling up on the ram and picking up an FX-8xxx or a PII X6 will definitely help you max out the rig

Will be nice to see that setup pump out 170-180k ppd

On a sour note- my 790X/1045T remote rig is going all BSOD on me - I'll be bringing it back home to see what happened to it. It's possibly the HDD or this board finally gave up on me. I have a spare HDD and a Biostar A880GZ mobo if I need it.

I have 13 WUs + Win7 running on 2GB, and it's tight--I think that 4GB is probably the absolute minimum you want for nearly any system.
Good luck getting the PhII X6 fixed--if you need a HDD or RAM for it, LMK and I'll get you set up :toast:

Two new updates from me: I decided to remote into the T9600 to check on it (it's been a few weeks) and I found that it was running at 95C! :eek:

(still doing 2.8GHz though). I took it apart, cleaned out the dust, and propped it up a tad, and now it's a more pleasant ~70C. Not bad at all for a laptop that originally had a ~20w Celeron in it and now is running a 35w C2D.

Also, because I can't pass up a good deal, I also picked up another dual CPU system. I purchased a pair of HP xw8600 (Xeon E5420) and combined them--now I have a system with a pair of 2.5GHz Core 2 Quad Xeons and a spare 800W PSU. Systems were $25 each w/ a DVD-RW, CPU, and 2GB RAM, which was too good to pass up. I've installed my WD Raptor and I'm installing Windows 7 now :toast:

stinger608 · Apr 4, 2013

Not really a cruncher.........but damn fast as what it does!!! :laugh:

I hit 140mph coming up from Colorado on Interstate 25 before I shut er down. :rockout:

Still had more to go!! And I have heard these will run about 155mph. :eek:

New addition to the family :laugh:

For those that don't know, its a 1999 Mercedes SLK 230 Kompressor with AMG sport package 2.3 liter turbocharged retractable hard top 17" wheels.

Got this for an insane low price due to needing the sensors changed in the top.

manofthem · Apr 4, 2013

stinger608 said:
Not really a cruncher.........but damn fast as what it does!!!

I hit 140mph coming up from Colorado on Interstate 25 before I shut er down. Still had more to go!! And I have heard these will run about 155mph.

New addition to the family

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp236/stingar2203/kompressor_zps3f155503.jpg

For those that don't know, its a 1999 Mercedes SLK 230 Kompressor with AMG sport package 2.3 liter turbocharged retractable hard top 17" wheels.

Got this for an insane low price due to needing the sensors changed in the top.

Glad to hear you're driving safely. No wonder you can make it to Microcenter so quickly :laugh:

Around here in FL, there are cops and state troopers everywhere. I don't drive like I used to when I was young, not worth it since there are so many stupid cops :banghead:

stinger608 · Apr 4, 2013

manofthem said:
Glad to hear you're driving safely. No wonder you can make it to Microcenter so quickly

Around here in FL, there are cops and state troopers everywhere. I don't drive like I used to when I was young, not worth it since there are so many stupid cops

I hear ya. Yea there is about a 20 mile stretch just before the Wyoming boarder that there is rarely any Colorado Troopers! Always the stretch for "test" driving vehicles. :laugh:

mjkmike · Apr 4, 2013

stinger608 said:
I hear ya. Yea there is about a 20 mile stretch just before the Wyoming boarder that there is rarely any Colorado Troopers! Always the stretch for "test" driving vehicles.

Nice to see you having fun.

Take care bud. :toast:

manofthem · Apr 4, 2013

Crap! I had paused the Network Activity to just get a sense of Wu completion times, and I forgot to put it back. So I ran dry, because I had change the buffer to low :banghead:

Anyway, i'm uploading all my crap now and will hopefully resume WUs soon

Edit: back up and running now

NastyHabits · Apr 4, 2013

I hit 140 in my car - once. Back in New York. In California there are too many cyclists, joggers, motorcycles not to mention cops. Can't even enjoy the twisties anymore. :ohwell:

Both me and my car are getting older anyway.

[Ion] · Apr 4, 2013

No physical pictures of the HP yet because I have to run off to class, but here's what we have going:

Running WCG since the moment Windows was installed, of course :toast:

Solaris17 · Apr 4, 2013

My boinc server is still batting away. It doesnt have a head I control everything remotely it sits in the corner. It is the machine I used tin foil to boot strap to 2.6ghz. It runs WCG every day at 100% load. I finally got around to putting ubuntu on it I actually got quite a boost from windows 7. I went from 87X PPD to 1200 and some change. Its not double but Ill take it. Of course im sure my PPD will go up after its run a few weeks to level out. I lost power one day formatted the machine another forgot to turn it on the day after that when I did updates. but 1200 from 870 with all that down time is impressive.

mstenholm · Apr 4, 2013

Solaris17 said:
My boinc server is still batting away. It doesnt have a head I control everything remotely it sits in the corner. It is the machine I used tin foil to boot strap to 2.6ghz. It runs WCG every day at 100% load. I finally got around to putting ubuntu on it I actually got quite a boost from windows 7. I went from 87X PPD to 1200 and some change. Its not double but Ill take it. Of course im sure my PPD will go up after its run a few weeks to level out. I lost power one day formatted the machine another forgot to turn it on the day after that when I did updates. but 1200 from 870 with all that down time is impressive.

http://www.4non4art.com/_images/04b48d793fefd78d93045cac6fe06612/766 - Servers.png

Linux is just faster for CPU WGC. I got around 2000 on two cores back when HP had their free trial period.

[Ion] · Apr 4, 2013

mstenholm said:
Linux is just faster for CPU WGC. I got around 2000 on two cores back when HP had their free trial period.

Do you know what sort of cores these were? C2D-gen ones, i7, etc?

EDIT: The HP

With two CPUs at sustained load it's getting a bit warm, I think I'm going to tell the BIOS to ramp up the fan speed a bit.

mstenholm · Apr 4, 2013

[Ion] said:
Do you know what sort of cores these were? C2D-gen ones, i7, etc?

EDIT: The HP
http://i.imgur.com/mxbixGi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uhEckHA.jpg

With two CPUs at sustained load it's getting a bit warm, I think I'm going to tell the BIOS to ramp up the fan speed a bit.

I never found out - GenuineIntel QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.14.0 [Family 6 Model 2 Stepping 3]

Nordic · Apr 4, 2013

I started with 10 wu's per card but went down to the 8 per card as in the picture below. 10 wu's got me times from 20-25 minutes compared to the 16-20 minutes for 8 wu's. I think I has a cpu bottleneck.

Norton · Apr 4, 2013

james888 said:
I started with 10 wu's per card but went down to the 8 per card as in the picture below. 10 wu's got me times from 20-25 minutes compared to the 16-20 minutes for 8 wu's. I think I has a cpu bottleneck.
http://i.imgur.com/sIYJ3zj.png

That's still 2-2.5 minutes per wu on either setting so it is possible that the cpu is holding you back.

Give it a few hours run time to see if the wu time drops some more at this setting..... if not then try to drop to 6 wu per card.

*Note- it may take a few days running for the rig to spool up at each setting so be patient with it.

EDIT- on a related note and thanks to james888, the ppd on my main rig may drop off a bit.... Bioshock Infinite runs awesome on this rig!

[Ion] · Apr 4, 2013

james888 said:
I started with 10 wu's per card but went down to the 8 per card as in the picture below. 10 wu's got me times from 20-25 minutes compared to the 16-20 minutes for 8 wu's. I think I has a cpu bottleneck.
http://i.imgur.com/sIYJ3zj.png

I suspect you do--with 10 WUs on the HD7930 each with .6 of a 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge thread, completion times are between nine and ten minutes.

brandonwh64 · Apr 4, 2013

Well I have not started up the 7970 due to heat issues so for not I am only using it to game on. I have ordered a Icy Vision-A Gelid heatsink to put the temps in check but until it arrives I will be quite down in numbers.

Nordic · Apr 4, 2013

[Ion] said:
I suspect you do--with 10 WUs on the HD7930 each with .6 of a 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge thread, completion times are between nine and ten minutes.

Hmm. I know I can't overclock much on these phenom II's. Even if I could get 4ghz, it wouldn't give me much compared to the 3.6 I got now. The previous owner of this cpu could only get 3.8ghz out of it. I have been reading a phenom II oc guide and it says to keep the temps below 55c for good overclocking which seems so low to me. I am already hitting 50c at 3.6ghz. I did just add some better exhaust fans and what not that should drop the temp down a few degrees.

Makes me really want to upgrade to whatever the most core steamroller cpu that is supposedly coming out this year.

Norton · Apr 4, 2013

james888 said:
Hmm. I know I can't overclock much on these phenom II's. Even if I could get 4ghz, it wouldn't give me much compared to the 3.6 I got now. The previous owner of this cpu could only get 3.8ghz out of it. I have been reading a phenom II oc guide and it says to keep the temps below 55c for good overclocking which seems so low to me. I am already hitting 50c at 3.6ghz. I did just add some better exhaust fans and what not that should drop the temp down a few degrees.

Makes me really want to upgrade to whatever the most core steamroller cpu that is supposedly coming out this year.

Vishera would be a decent boost for you. My 8350 runs at 4.4Ghz @1.38v and under 50C (avg 45C) with a full gpu load running on it. It's never gone over 55C while crunching cpu only... air cooled! :cool:

* Vishera as compared to Zambezi is Thuban as compared to Deneb (cooler, smoother, faster). Grab a Vishera 8 core if you don't want to wait for Steamroller- it won't disappoint

Nordic · Apr 4, 2013

The reason I want steam roller is because I have heard there might be 8+ cores on a chip. Maybe even up to 16. That and all the general ipc improvments. Vishera would be a massive improvement but I will be fine with a quad core for a few months. Especially with gpu wu's going away for a bit.

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