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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
The Cooler Master Silent and V series are pretty good. My Silent Pro M700 has gone through 3 rigs now and is as strong as ever, longest I've gone without a PSU change. It's Bronze certified but I would bet it gets to Silver levels. I've got a Seasonic Platinum 660 as backup though.
Two things...

1. One good PSU does not make a brand good (Coolermaster is well known for hit and miss units... at least in the past)
2. Just because a PSU is working in your PC doesn't mean its of high quality either. It just means it works.
 

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Then again, here you need heating 10 out of 12 months in the year, and its not uncommon to only have electric ovens.
Electricity is an expensive form of heating. Natural gas and oil tend to be more effective at creating heat at a lesser cost as they cost less money per BTU produced than electricity alone. That's a poor excuse to invest more money than you have to. Also heat is the killer of electronic components. Less heat is almost always better with respect to longevity.
 
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Electricity is an expensive form of heating. Natural gas and oil tend to be more effective at creating heat at a lesser cost as they cost less money per BTU produced than electricity alone. That's a poor excuse to invest more money than you have to. Also heat is the killer of electronic components. Less heat is almost always better with respect to longevity.
Depends where you live. My house has electric heating and so does my grandma's house and my aunt's house.
 

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Depends where you live. My house has electric heating and so does my grandma's house and my aunt's house.
True, but usually places where it's colder don't benefit from electric heat since you already need to produce a lot of BTUs to heat a house when it's really cold outside. More warmer climates tend to favor electric heating and heat pumps because they're easy to install and very well may not be used that often or in favorable conditions, but somewhere like where I live where it was 17*F (-8.3*C) yesterday, heat pumps struggle and electricity costs go up in the winter in my region whereas the cost of natural gas is more impacted by the market rather than the season.

Either way, it still no reason to buy a huge PSU for a small machine and none of that changes that the fact that heat is the killer of electronics.
 
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Two things...

1. One good PSU does not make a brand good (Coolermaster is well known for hit and miss units... at least in the past)
2. Just because a PSU is working in your PC doesn't mean its of high quality either. It just means it works.

And that's why I specifically noted that only the Silent and V series are worth considering. You can see that I trashed its eXtreme line on a subsequent post.

About the M700, back when there was GPU work on WCG I ran 3 7870s OCed to 1200Mhz plus a Core i5 2320 OCed to 3.4Ghz (increased the Turbo multiplier to 34) off it. Not saying that anyone with an M700 could or should run trifire 7870s though. Don't know what kind of efficiency it's got now (it's been six years) but my current rig doesn't go beyond 365w while gaming (8350@4.4Ghz, 7970@1100/1600, GT430 for HybridPhysx, 4x4GB RAM, 8 fans, H80 AIO); on full load (wPrime+IBT+Furmark) it gets to 430w though. Can't say anything about ripple (I don't have an oscilloscope) but software monitoring tools seem to indicate voltage regulation is going strong too.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Sorry, I was going by the context of the thread title (manufacturer). I wouldn't put Coolermaster up there with best... not remotely. :)
 

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I can't believe Coolermaster and Thermaltake made a list of 'Best' PSU manuf...

That blacklist is kind of funny too...There are a few quality Rosewill's around (now - 3 years ago, I would agree), EVGA G2 Supernova matches the Seasonic PSUs if not beats them in quality and are a lot cheaper.


I fear PSUs are still a black hole to enthusiasts...


Why Thermaltake and Coolermaster?

Because they offer:

· Longer Life Time (no matter how much you abuse them… they will be there…)
· Increased Stability & Reliability (Tested, used and abused… )
· Built in industrial grade protection circuit of OCP, OVP, UVP, OPP and SCP.

(OCP = Over Current Protection, OVP = Over Voltage Protection, UVP = Under Voltage Protection, OPP = Over Power Protection, SCP = Short Circuit)


I have been using mostly Thermaltake stuff since 2001, never got something damaged, all products of this brand satisfied me, Also cooler master has great stock ,

EVGA: used 3 PSU's for 3 different builds, all of them died lasting less than a year, replaced with Antec and Thermaltake …. 3 years ago, they still working fine,

my first PSU was a TR series from Thermaltake, TR 430, purchased in November 2002, still alive in a non gamming rig of a cousin, it was ultra abused when it was mine, second power supply rosewill 700w model, died 6 months later… fan stopped working, PSU overheated, also I lost 2 HDD and 1 775 mobo, replaced with a Coolermaster V700 which worked ultra fine for me for 2 years, sold the computer and PSU still working…. I still check this computer for my friend, PSU still giving power like a brave champ.

Omega PSU's: I have seen complete rigs burned because of this crappy PSU's… they can't bring the power they say, overheated in every use, crappy fan … cheap cables… everything in this PSU its garbage….

In my office we have Thermaltake, Coolermaster, some Antec and Corsair PSU's. they work pretty fine, can't complain about them, they cover all needs perfectly, (Mostly of them 430, 500 and 600w maximum for office computers…)
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Peche... let me say it in a different way...

You do not test PSUs. So you have no idea how good they are internally. Just because they lasted FOR YOU, doesn't mean they are not of low quality and score low in ripple, transient response, voltage regulation, and crossload testing. This thread was titled "BEST PSU Manuf." Not "Most serviceable PSU".

Testing from noted good testers (here, jonnyguru, [H], etc), show Seasonic across their line is great. EVGA's current line (Supernova G2) is also great across the board. So is Zippy... Coolermaster may have had a decent PSU or two, as did Thermaltake, but their lines were spotty.

Though I appreciate you sharing your experinces, do understand that it is purely anecdotal and doesn't really add much in the way of facts. Listing the marketing mumbojumbo (OCP/OVP/Stability/Longer life) doesn't help.
 
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True, but usually places where it's colder don't benefit from electric heat since you already need to produce a lot of BTUs to heat a house when it's really cold outside. More warmer climates tend to favor electric heating and heat pumps because they're easy to install and very well may not be used that often or in favorable conditions, but somewhere like where I live where it was 17*F (-8.3*C) yesterday, heat pumps struggle and electricity costs go up in the winter in my region whereas the cost of natural gas is more impacted by the market rather than the season.

Either way, it still no reason to buy a huge PSU for a small machine and none of that changes that the fact that heat is the killer of electronics.
You should come learn of electric heating in Quebec. Its far from what it was.
 

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You should come learn of electric heating in Quebec. Its far from what it was.
Clearly someone is talking about something they have no experience with. Electric heating is only a resistor and has been 99.9% efficient since man knew how to create resistors. There is nothing new about creating heat from electricity. The problem is electricity is expensive for the amount of BTUs it puts out in comparison to the same amount produced by oil or natural gas as there are fewer losses between a furnace and the inside of your house versus the power plant to the inside of your house. The only way for electric heat to get cheaper than petroleum products is if electric costs go down so much that it's cheaper than oil which is a funny prospect because it tends to be the case that coal, oil, and natural gas produces most of the power in North America and all the alternatives aren't much cheaper.
 
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Clearly someone is talking about something they have no experience with. Electric heating is only a resistor and has been 99.9% efficient since man knew how to create resistors. There is nothing new about creating heat from electricity. The problem is electricity is expensive for the amount of BTUs it puts out in comparison to the same amount produced by oil or natural gas as there are fewer losses between a furnace and the inside of your house versus the power plant to the inside of your house. The only way for electric heat to get cheaper than petroleum products is if electric costs go down so much that it's cheaper than oil which is a funny prospect because it tends to be the case that coal, oil, and natural gas produces most of the power in North America and all the alternatives aren't much cheaper.

Hydro electric power together with no gas lines and outlawing of oil burners and hey presto, electric heating is what you go for.
 

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Manufacturer and brand are different things. For example Corsair isn't a manufacturer. Seasonic is.

Seasonic is my fav manufacturer. Good soldering quality, usually good quality components and realiable. Coil whine is unfortunately also pretty usual. And what comes to Corsair, their only good quality PSU series today are AX/AXi/HXi, I wouldn't even think about buying any other Corsair PSU.
 
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Clearly someone is talking about something they have no experience with. Electric heating is only a resistor and has been 99.9% efficient since man knew how to create resistors. There is nothing new about creating heat from electricity. The problem is electricity is expensive for the amount of BTUs it puts out in comparison to the same amount produced by oil or natural gas as there are fewer losses between a furnace and the inside of your house versus the power plant to the inside of your house. The only way for electric heat to get cheaper than petroleum products is if electric costs go down so much that it's cheaper than oil which is a funny prospect because it tends to be the case that coal, oil, and natural gas produces most of the power in North America and all the alternatives aren't much cheaper.

As I said come visit Quebec. In our province electricity is cheaper than every other sources of energy. Hydroelectric is our main force because of all our lakes and rivers.
 
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You should come learn of electric heating in Quebec. Its far from what it was.
As I said come visit Quebec. In our province electricity is cheaper than every other sources of energy. Hydroelectric is our main force because of all our lakes and rivers.

My house is using electric heat until the outside temp goes below 32F. (it's a brand new system that we saved for)
Then it starts using oil because the oil puts out more heat.

Until the temps go below 32F, electric is cheaper to use here in Virginia. The oil is expensive.

And SeaSonic is the best IMHO.
 
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My house is using electric heat until the outside temp goes below 32F. (it's a brand new system that we saved for)
Then it starts using oil because the oil puts out more heat.

Until the temps go below 32F, electric is cheaper to use here in Virginia. The oil is expensive.

And SeaSonic is the best IMHO.

Difference is that geographically we are surrounded by lakes and rivers so it cost almost nothing in Quebec to produce electricity. We even produce so much electricity that we sell it to Ontario and some states like New Hampshire, Vermont and New York via power lines to reduce the waste. Then after that a lot of money come back to Hydro-Quebec to lower even more the cost of our electricity. It's still cheaper to warm up a house than use other forms of energy even after taking in consideration the BTU's. Virginia is also far south to Quebec province so temperatures are not the same hence the fact that Quebec houses are built with higher isolation grades from wall isolations to windows and doors. Meaning at the end that it cost less to heat a house with cheaper electricity and keeping the cost low because the heat stay inside the house.
 

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Difference is that geographically we are surrounded by lakes and rivers so it cost almost nothing in Quebec to produce electricity. We even produce so much electricity that we sell it to Ontario and some states like New Hampshire, Vermont and New York via power lines to reduce the waste. Then after that a lot of money come back to Hydro-Quebec to lower even more the cost of our electricity. It's still cheaper to warm up a house than use other forms of energy even after taking in consideration the BTU's. Virginia is also far south to Quebec province so temperatures are not the same hence the fact that Quebec houses are built with higher isolation grades from wall isolations to windows and doors. Meaning at the end that it cost less to heat a house with cheaper electricity and keeping the cost low because the heat stay inside the house.

That's really not a discussion you want to start with me right now. As a resident of NH I can tell you a couple things:
A: NH produces most of its power internally. Right now Hydro Quebec is trying to run a HVDC swath through NH. I can't tell you how many people in my state that has angered because all it would do would provide Massachusetts power where NH has no need for more power and all it would do it put power lines through our forests (huge resistance to burring the lines as well.)
B: You know what's cheaper? Using power closer to where it's produced! Merrimack station is a 9 minute drive from my house (clean coal, yes, as clean as coal can get as Merrimack station is outfitted with a multi-million dollar scrubber.) Gavin's Falls hydro plant is 5 minutes away from where I live. On top of all of that, only 19% of NH's power is created by alternative means.
C: Don't forget about the Nuclear plant in Seabrook, and the hybrid oil/ng plant, cocoa shell, and bio fuel plants in Portsmouth.

Lets do a little math shall we?

Using this for energy content of fuels: http://www.hrt.msu.edu/energy/pdf/heating value of common fuels.pdf
Currently the cheapest cost of oil in NH is 2.899 USD a gallon (we'll assume Oil fuel #2 having the smallest energy content to give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Lets say that you have a house where in the middle of winter you have a 300,000 BTU/hr furnace at 91% that runs off oil and electric that runs off... well, electric.
Our constant numbers are:
Oil energy content: 138,500 BTU/gal
Electicity energy content: 3412 BTU/kwh

So instantly we can use some numbers to determine how much electricity is required to do the same job as oil.
138,500 BTU/gal / 3412 BTU/kwh = 40.59 kwh/gal which means for the same job that one gallon of oil does, you need 40 KWH to do the same job not to add that electric costs increase in the winter as well.
So here in NH (which wouldn't be impacted by Hydro Quebec for the reasons I explained above.):
Delivery charge: 0.05977 USD/kwh
Fixed energy cost (variable costs more): 0.15544 USD/kwh
Total cost per kwh: 0.21521 kwh
Conversion ratio: 40.59:1 kwh/gal
Cost per replacement gallon of oil fuel: 0.21521 kwh/USD * 40.59 kwh/gal = 8.7353739 USD gal equiv.

So that's the electric cost. So lets check the cost of oil in NH, shall we?
2.899 USD/gal versus ~8.735USD/gal equiv.

So you're right. It isn't worth while down here. Now up there in Quebec, you electricity does cost a whole lot less (when you use less than 10,000 kwh in one month, or if you are standard domestic not hybrid domestic (DT).

The kicker for you is that oil and electricity costs are almost the same (as of data from October, oil prices have dropped sharply since then.)

So while electricity might make sense for you since Quebec does have a lot of hydro but most places in the world don't have that luxury. It doesn't make sense anywhere else in the world with a similar climate because that's not the case.

Also don't say HydroQuebec gives NH power, because the amount given is incredibly small. In addition to that opposition to Northern Pass in the first place is running rampant in the state. We don't need it, therefore we don't want to see it.

Now also keep in mind that US fuel costs are lower than Canada's, so not only is electricity sometimes more expensive, but fuel is also generally cheaper.

...but remember this, if Canada's fuel prices were the same as the US, oil would be cheaper than electric heating. It's not like electric is a lot cheaper than oil in Quebec, it's about the same.
 

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In general, the brands I have used and recommended and have worked stellarly have all been Antec and Seasonic. Currently running 2 Antec and 3 Seasonics in the house. The Antec HCP that is in my main rig got excellent scores in JohnnyGuru review. But, based on people I know, and user reliability reports on TPU and elsewhere, I also can recommend Corsair and high-end Enermax.

However, ALL brands can have duds that are DOA, or soon after, just as with any manufactured product, and even generally bad PSU brand names can make an excellent line of PSU's. Your best bet is to read and compare reviews, and make your own decision from all the available info. But the first places I would look are Seasonic, Corsair and Antec.
 
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That's really not a discussion you want to start with me right now. As a resident of NH I can tell you a couple things:
A: NH produces most of its power internally. Right now Hydro Quebec is trying to run a HVDC swath through NH. I can't tell you how many people in my state that has angered because all it would do would provide Massachusetts power where NH has no need for more power and all it would do it put power lines through our forests (huge resistance to burring the lines as well.)
B: You know what's cheaper? Using power closer to where it's produced! Merrimack station is a 9 minute drive from my house (clean coal, yes, as clean as coal can get as Merrimack station is outfitted with a multi-million dollar scrubber.) Gavin's Falls hydro plant is 5 minutes away from where I live. On top of all of that, only 19% of NH's power is created by alternative means.
C: Don't forget about the Nuclear plant in Seabrook, and the hybrid oil/ng plant, cocoa shell, and bio fuel plants in Portsmouth.

Lets do a little math shall we?

Using this for energy content of fuels: http://www.hrt.msu.edu/energy/pdf/heating value of common fuels.pdf
Currently the cheapest cost of oil in NH is 2.899 USD a gallon (we'll assume Oil fuel #2 having the smallest energy content to give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Lets say that you have a house where in the middle of winter you have a 300,000 BTU/hr furnace at 91% that runs off oil and electric that runs off... well, electric.
Our constant numbers are:
Oil energy content: 138,500 BTU/gal
Electicity energy content: 3412 BTU/kwh

So instantly we can use some numbers to determine how much electricity is required to do the same job as oil.
138,500 BTU/gal / 3412 BTU/kwh = 40.59 kwh/gal which means for the same job that one gallon of oil does, you need 40 KWH to do the same job not to add that electric costs increase in the winter as well.
So here in NH (which wouldn't be impacted by Hydro Quebec for the reasons I explained above.):
Delivery charge: 0.05977 USD/kwh
Fixed energy cost (variable costs more): 0.15544 USD/kwh
Total cost per kwh: 0.21521 kwh
Conversion ratio: 40.59:1 kwh/gal
Cost per replacement gallon of oil fuel: 0.21521 kwh/USD * 40.59 kwh/gal = 8.7353739 USD gal equiv.

So that's the electric cost. So lets check the cost of oil in NH, shall we?
2.899 USD/gal versus ~8.735USD/gal equiv.

So you're right. It isn't worth while down here. Now up there in Quebec, you electricity does cost a whole lot less (when you use less than 10,000 kwh in one month, or if you are standard domestic not hybrid domestic (DT).

The kicker for you is that oil and electricity costs are almost the same (as of data from October, oil prices have dropped sharply since then.)

So while electricity might make sense for you since Quebec does have a lot of hydro but most places in the world don't have that luxury. It doesn't make sense anywhere else in the world with a similar climate because that's not the case.

Also don't say HydroQuebec gives NH power, because the amount given is incredibly small. In addition to that opposition to Northern Pass in the first place is running rampant in the state. We don't need it, therefore we don't want to see it.

Now also keep in mind that US fuel costs are lower than Canada's, so not only is electricity sometimes more expensive, but fuel is also generally cheaper.

...but remember this, if Canada's fuel prices were the same as the US, oil would be cheaper than electric heating. It's not like electric is a lot cheaper than oil in Quebec, it's about the same.

I don't know about gallon price but its currently 1.10$ / liter for cars. Ok its not same as mazout but its for comparison only.
 
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Which would be the Top5 ?
I don't know if I made a mistake, but I have a Corsair AX860i and it's not even old, it has 3 months only and already has coil noise. And from my point it is faulty. I will do a RMA, but I would like to know from you guys, many maybe have experienced the same thing, which would be the next best thing.
I was thinking about Antec and I've put my eyes on the HCP-1300 .
From what they say there, it must be pretty damn badass.
Also was thinking about Enermax, but I'm not so sure about this.
I'm looking something in the range of 1000->1300W, maybe 1500, but it will be too much and useless.
Cheers.

I can easily tell you the three best are Seasonic, SuperFlower and Enermax.
To my knowledge I'm aware that Corsair sources from Seasonic and that EVGA sources from Superflower.
As for Enermax I'm only aware that they make their own PSUs and I don't know if they make PSUs for another manufacturer like the onces I've mentioned.
 
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Difference is that geographically we are surrounded by lakes and rivers so it cost almost nothing in Quebec to produce electricity. We even produce so much electricity that we sell it to Ontario and some states like New Hampshire, Vermont and New York via power lines to reduce the waste. Then after that a lot of money come back to Hydro-Quebec to lower even more the cost of our electricity. It's still cheaper to warm up a house than use other forms of energy even after taking in consideration the BTU's. Virginia is also far south to Quebec province so temperatures are not the same hence the fact that Quebec houses are built with higher isolation grades from wall isolations to windows and doors. Meaning at the end that it cost less to heat a house with cheaper electricity and keeping the cost low because the heat stay inside the house.

I understand that your prices are cheaper than mine for electricity. What my point is that electric power goes a lot further with newer heating and air conditioning units available these days.
Virginia's electric power is a hell of a lot cheaper than I used to have to pay when I lived in Southern California.

My place has triple pane windows and the attic is blown full of insulation. My walls are probably not as insulated as yours are, but we're much more comfortable here, now that we upgraded the heating and air conditioning unit. (and our costs have gone down)
 

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What my point is that electric power goes a lot further with newer heating and air conditioning units available these days.
Only when you're talking about heat pumps such as a deep well geothermal heat pump system whereas the real benefit is from the ground having a relatively stable temperature at something like 63*F and the improvements in efficency in the vapor-compression cycle. My father-in-law had a geothermal heat pump system installed at his house here in NH and it works great in the winter for heat and the summer for AC. I guess the real kicker was the cost to drill a deeper well and the time it took to clean it out but I guess the electric costs are very reasonable for a setup like that. Resistive heating will never get more efficient because it's already really easy to convert electric power into heat and the simple fact is that you can only send so many BTUs over the wire before it starts costing more than fuel to heat the same area.

Side note on heat pumps, they can move more heat than power they take in to run a compressor depending on the temperature conditions. Therefore heat pumps can achieve efficiencies above 100% unlike electric or fuel heat making them advantageous.

Anyways, this is all aside from the point of the thread.

Don't use the wrong hardware as an excuse to heat your house, that's all I was really trying to say in the first place. Also an 80 Plus Platinum will make sure that the heat (wasted energy) is kept to a minimum. I've lost PSUs before and sometimes it's a close call. Out of all the things on your machine, the PSU shouldn't be skimped on. Just remember that it's providing power to all of your components. :)
 
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That is what my new system is,...a heat pump.
I agree about the PSU being the single most important part of any PC.
It can make or break you.
 
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What does "best" mean? Highest performing (v-reg, r/n, efficiency)? Most reliable/resilient? Least number of platforms unworthy of a recommendation?

And you do realize that most manufacturers make what the vendors ask them for, right?

The one I like best, which is also currently represented in the consumer/prosumer market, is Flextronics. Not saying why, though :p
 
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