• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Specs Don't Matter: TechPowerUp Poll on GTX 970 Controversy

Joined
May 9, 2012
Messages
8,527 (1.86/day)
Location
Ovronnaz, Wallis, Switzerland
System Name main/SFFHTPCARGH!(tm)/Xiaomi Mi TV Stick/Samsung Galaxy S23/Ally
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X3D/i7-3770/S905X/Snapdragon 8 Gen 2/Ryzen Z1 Extreme
Motherboard MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk/HP SFF Q77 Express/uh?/uh?/Asus
Cooling Enermax ETS-T50 Axe aRGB /basic HP HSF /errr.../oh! liqui..wait, no:sizable vapor chamber/a nice one
Memory 64gb DDR4 3600/8gb DDR3 1600/2gbLPDDR3/8gbLPDDR5x/16gb(10 sys)LPDDR5 6400
Video Card(s) Hellhound Spectral White RX 7900 XTX 24gb/GT 730/Mali 450MP5/Adreno 740/Radeon 780M 6gb LPDDR5
Storage 250gb870EVO/500gb860EVO/2tbSandisk/NVMe2tb+1tb/4tbextreme V2/1TB Arion/500gb/8gb/256gb/4tb SN850X
Display(s) X58222 32" 2880x1620/32"FHDTV/273E3LHSB 27" 1920x1080/6.67"/AMOLED 2X panel FHD+120hz/7" FHD 120hz
Case Cougar Panzer Max/Elite 8300 SFF/None/back/back-front Gorilla Glass Victus 2+ UAG Monarch Carbon
Audio Device(s) Logi Z333/SB Audigy RX/HDMI/HDMI/Dolby Atmos/KZ x HBB PR2/Moondrop Chu II + TRN BT20S
Power Supply Chieftec Proton BDF-1000C /HP 240w/12v 1.5A/4Smart Voltplug PD 30W/Asus USB-C 65W
Mouse Speedlink Sovos Vertical-Asus ROG Spatha-Logi Ergo M575/Xiaomi XMRM-006/touch/touch
Keyboard Endorfy Thock 75% <3/none/touch/virtual
VR HMD Medion Erazer
Software Win10 64/Win8.1 64/Android TV 8.1/Android 13/Win11 64
Benchmark Scores bench...mark? i do leave mark on bench sometime, to remember which one is the most comfortable. :o
spec don't matter, maybe but lies does ... and it was a lie ... oh well ... the 970 is still a good 3.5gb card and the top in her segment but still ...


ah! whatever...
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2015
Messages
39 (0.01/day)
Location
Recife, PE - Brasil
spec don't matter, maybe but lies does ... and it was a lie ... oh well ... the 970 is still a good 3.5gb card and the top in her segment but still ...


ah! whatever...
+1

For Who mencioned HDD... I know (maybe you also do) that 1000GB is a unformatted space. For standard...
But did we Know that 4GB Nvidia VRAM is 3.5GB faster + 0.5GB slower, and 64ROPs means 56, and etc...??
That is a "little" diference...
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
21,469 (3.40/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 9950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage Intel 905p Optane 960GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64 / Windows 11 Enterprise IoT 2024
Indeed. I have yet to hear anything concrete about it's specs, let alone it's "durability."
 

64K

Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
6,773 (1.73/day)
Processor i7 7700k
Motherboard MSI Z270 SLI Plus
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) Temporary MSI RTX 4070 Super
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB and WD Black 4TB
Display(s) Temporary Viewsonic 4K 60 Hz
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 850 W Gold
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10
Yeah, kind of.

It is like buying a 1TB drive, expecting it to be 1000 GB, but in reality usable only 930 GB.

And that is exactly what happens and no one sues Seagate or WD... :rolleyes



But, why don't you concentrate on the upcoming Radeon R9 380X which promises very significant performance improvements, low temperatures and high durability???

There will be plenty of talk of the R9 380X as it gets closer to being available and more leaks come out.
If rumors are true then it should have significant improvements in performance probably beating a GTX 980 by a fair bit. I don't think it will have low temps since it's rumored to be a 300 watt card.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Messages
13,791 (1.87/day)
Yeah, kind of.

It is like buying a 1TB drive, expecting it to be 1000 GB, but in reality usable only 930 GB.

And that is exactly what happens and no one sues Seagate or WD... :rolleyes:



But, why don't you concentrate on the upcoming Radeon R9 380X which promises very significant performance improvements, low temperatures and high durability???

As much as I hate what NVIDIA did with GTX 970, no one really said anything about low temperatures for R9-380X. High performance yes, but for low temperatures, not really. They did mention R9-480X series to be very power efficient. But that is still very far away...
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2014
Messages
421 (0.12/day)
Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, and GCN architectures all have at least some preliminary DX12 support.

DirectX 12 also proably has elements of DX9, DX11 so a lot of cards probably support DX12, but not fully.

No different to buying a computer with a 500Gb hard drive and only 450Gb is usable....

It is like buying a 1TB drive, expecting it to be 1000 GB, but in reality usable only 930 GB.

You two are both wrong, Windows shows numbers (930) in binary and the unit (GB) in decimal, they should show the unit also in binary (GiB). This is not HDD manufacturer fault, it is Microsoft fault. Microsoft for some reason won`t change their units to binary. I hope they fix this in Windows 10.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 22, 2011
Messages
289 (0.06/day)
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Prime X570 Pro
Cooling Deepcool LS-720
Memory 32 GB (4x 8GB) DDR4-3600 CL16
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon RX 7900 XTX Red Devil
Storage Samsung PM9A1 (980 Pro OEM) + 960 Evo NVMe SSD + 830 SATA SSD + Toshiba & WD HDD's
Display(s) Samsung C32HG70
Case Lian Li O11D Evo
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster Zx
Power Supply Seasonic 750W Focus+ Platinum
Mouse Logitech G703 Lightspeed
Keyboard SteelSeries Apex Pro
Software Windows 11 Pro
These are DX12 cards which is the cool part.
They're not any more "DX12 cards" than anything else on the markets currently.
Yes, they support 4 new features included in DX12, but those are not the only new features of DX12.
When NVIDIA released the card and boasted about DX12 compatibility, DirectX development head from MS said that there are no final conformance tests available for hardware manufacturers.
Of those 4 features, Intel supports at least 1, possible 2, 3 or 4. In fact, one of those features is nothing more than DX-version of Intel PixelSync (Raster Ordered Views).
Of those 4 features, GCN supports at least 1 (Raster Ordered Views), 1 very very likely (Volume Tiled Resources) and possibly the other 2, too.
 
Joined
Sep 25, 2012
Messages
2,074 (0.47/day)
Location
Jacksonhole Florida
System Name DEVIL'S ABYSS
Processor i7-4790K@4.6 GHz
Motherboard Asus Z97-Deluxe
Cooling Corsair H110 (2 x 140mm)(3 x 140mm case fans)
Memory 16GB Adata XPG V2 2400MHz
Video Card(s) EVGA 780 Ti Classified
Storage Intel 750 Series 400GB (AIC), Plextor M6e 256GB (M.2), 13 TB storage
Display(s) Crossover 27QW (27"@ 2560x1440)
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Cooler Master V1000
Mouse Ttsports Talon Blu
Keyboard Logitech G510
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 version 1803
Benchmark Scores Passmark CPU score = 13080
The sub-group of humanity known as "gamers" have traditionally had only one sure way to be heard - voting with their wallets. But we love any chance to get vocal about "the enemy", even over petty lies by admen (like that's a real shock - who knew that our trusted advertisers could sink so low? People who rage about this have obviously never told any lies in their entire lives). So if this crap has your panties in a wad, go buy an AMD card, I'm sure they never lied about any of their crappy cards. Otherwise you should just keep running your 970 and be glad that it beats a 780 for $100 less. (and that they both blow away any Radeon card). Who can blame AMD for taking a cheap shot, they are rapidly losing market share and heading for bankruptcy. I recently bought a brand-new EVGA Classified GTX 780 Ti for $400, how is AMD going to beat that?
 
Joined
Feb 8, 2008
Messages
2,667 (0.43/day)
Location
Switzerland
Processor i9 9900KS ( 5 Ghz all the time )
Motherboard Asus Maximus XI Hero Z390
Cooling EK Velocity + EK D5 pump + Alphacool full copper silver 360mm radiator
Memory 16GB Corsair Dominator GT ROG Edition 3333 Mhz
Video Card(s) ASUS TUF RTX 3080 Ti 12GB OC
Storage M.2 Samsung NVMe 970 Evo Plus 250 GB + 1TB 970 Evo Plus
Display(s) Asus PG279 IPS 1440p 165Hz G-sync
Case Cooler Master H500
Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W
Mouse Razer Deathadder Chroma
Keyboard Rapoo
Software Win 10 64 Bit
if anyone giveaway their GTX 970 i will take it !
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2013
Messages
3,333 (0.81/day)
Location
Athens, Greece
System Name 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC
Processor Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is)
Motherboard MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3
Cooling Îťoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6
Memory 32GB - 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600+16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB JUHOR / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3)
Video Card(s) ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580
Storage NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage
Display(s) Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5
Case Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W
Mouse CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech
Keyboard CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech
Software Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10
No, they are actually quite different. As you've stated, you've read many articles about the 970 issue. The one article concerning the UVD issue you couldn't be bothered reading....but don't feel bad, many people in the day couldn't be arsed either. The more things change the more they stay the same.;)
I also have read many articles and reviews about CrossFire problems and the GPU throttling on the 290X. Probably much more than about Nvidia's lies with 970.
So, your point about what I bothered reading is what? That I don't care reading about AMD problems? If this is the case, don't create a false image by specifically choosing only one line from my post and ignoring/deleting/downgrading the rest of it.
If this is not the case, ignore this comment and tell me what you really meant. :)
 
Joined
Jul 7, 2014
Messages
152 (0.04/day)
Location
Columbia, SC
Processor Intel 2500k OCed at 4.6ghz
Motherboard Intel Z77
Cooling Thermalright Macho Rev.A
Memory 8GB G.Skill 2133
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce 3X OCed at 1050mhz base and 1600mhz vram
Storage Mushkin Enhance 256gb SSD, Western Digital 750gb and 3TB HHDs
Display(s) Asus 24" 1080p
Case Lian-Li Mid Tower
Audio Device(s) Mobo sound
Power Supply SeaSonic 560 watt gold
Mouse Logitec 3 button laser mouse
Keyboard Das Keyboard Model S (the blank key model)
Software Windows 8.1 64 bit
It is very much a 4k capable card in SLI. So no 3.5gb is not "fine"


you're right, all the previous benchmarks are now invalid :rolleyes:.

at 4k in SLI, there would be virtually no performance difference between a true 4gb card and the 3.5gb the 970 has.
 
Joined
Jan 15, 2012
Messages
944 (0.20/day)
Location
Slovenia
System Name PC.
Processor i7 2600K 5.0Gh,i7 3770K 5.00Gh. EK, Liqed Coooleng
Motherboard P67A-UD7-B3 Gigabyte T.,ASUS,P8Z77-V PREMIUM,MAXIMUS V EXTRIME..
Cooling Liqed Cooleng ,EK Suprime LTX Nickel,EK for Motherboard,Aqua computer (WGA), Thermaltake .... 0i,
Memory G.SKILL F3-17600CL7-2GBPISG. 16GBSkill Sniper F3-17000CL94GBSR on 2400Hz 10-12-11-29 1
Video Card(s) GTX590 ,SLI ,POV TGT best 691Hz ,LiqedCoold,GTX480.....GTX1080MSI SeaHawkEK SLI
Storage OCZ-REVODRIVE 3-240GB,2xCrucialMX100.512.R-0,1x LMT-32L3m,3x 1TB-WD,1x;1x2TbSEAGATE1x2Tb Seagate
Display(s) DELL-U2412Mb,Samsung Synkmaster245B,HP ENVY 34c
Case Thermaltake, NZXT SWITCH 810SE
Audio Device(s) CREATIVE BLASTER X-Fi Titanium HD , AUNE T1MK2 TUBE USB
Power Supply ENERMAX Platimax 1500W,Thermaltake 1500W
Mouse VIPER V560,FUNC MS-3, Prestigio, R.A.T.E.7 and 5,LogitechG502,RAZER,Inperator.,dead...a.s.o.
Keyboard Trust ....LogotechG410
Software Windows7 64....
Benchmark Scores 3DMark Fire Strike 21.385 (37.234,11.828,7.176)
As far as efficiency dilemma of RAM and GTX970 is another proof of advertising, handling and throwing sand in the eyes !
Which all of them are not seeing is grist to the mill to nVidia. Talking about the lower middle class !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! failed!!!!!!!!!!! it failure!!! cut out processor !!!!!!!!!!!!! it can not be measured with AMD R 9 290X.
The criterion would only be GTX780 !! Is Not 20 nm, but 27 nm a new generation of processors that should be sufficient for 4K gaming .wich does not for all the games and anyway overestimated by 120$. all together gave a good advertisement for Nvidia.
And hiding the fact that we will set you up with TITAN X again the same error and failure cut processor for much more 1000$ at list :shadedshu:
 
Joined
Oct 20, 2005
Messages
36 (0.01/day)
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Yeah.. 3.5GB is still a good spec, makes great job.. I think.. but... If I pay for 4GB (working 100%), I won't get a 3.5GB...
Remember me ads about smartphone with "8GB"... "what?! I have only 5.1GB.. my phone is defective..."

Sure, as long as all the other smartphones have that 8GB memory completely empty, then yeah, this is a good comparison.

No different to buying a computer with a 500Gb hard drive and only 450Gb is usable....

Of course it is, as long as all the other 500GB hard drives out there offer 500GB of usable space. With the GTX 970, the full amount of memory IS there (as in, on the card). It's just that the last 512MB of it are accessed differently to the rest of the card's memory, which leads to lower (or drastically lower) performance, depending on the game's requirements.

This isn't the real problem, though. As it has been said before, suddenly finding out that the card's memory configuration isn't what nVidia stated it was doesn't change the performance numbers, not in the slightest. The real problem is that nVidia LIED about it. There's NO WAY the decision-makers at nVidia didn't know about all this since before the card was launched. It's not like they let TSMC figure out the specs for the batches of chips that would end up in GTX 970 cards.

Let's face it, if the marketing department would have gotten the wrong spec-sheet from the engineering teams about the GTX 970 specs, considering that the whole of the internet has reported those numbers, they would have sent out a press release the next day (absolutely worst case scenario, the reviews are closely monitored to a level that would make the NSA jealous), saying that there had been a mix-up, along with a PDF with the real specs. That didn't happen. This means that nVidia's marketing department were either knowingly lying through their teeth, or someone in charge had ordered the engineering teams to feed them false information.

There is absolutely NO WAY the engineers didn't know the correct specs for the GTX 970 and even if there was a mix-up somewhere down the line, somebody would have noticed it before launch day. Launch day press events held for both AMD and nVidia graphics cards usually contain all the technical specs the reviewers would ever be interested in knowing. That's just about all the technical details you would normally read in one of W1zzard's reviews. Then there's a Q&A session, where the press gets to ask whatever they want to ask about the product. Now, unless the marketing staff has a technical background (they changed from the engineering teams to the marketing department somewhere down the line, usually), they are pretty much technically illiterate. In such a case, they wouldn't be able to properly mount a graphics card inside a PC and all they're ever able to do is quote from the presentation they've just gone through. In such a case, though, they ALWAYS have an engineer with them. Said engineer handles the technical part of the briefing and, of course, the technically-oriented questions from the press. Whichever the case, two things stand out clearly: 1) the engineering and marketing teams do more than just exchange a single botched-up PDF and 2) there's absolutely NO WAY this was an honest mistake, one of those things that routinely get overlooked, like, say, the plastic shroud isn't black, but a very dark shade of grey.

Personally, I only care about this because they most clearly lied about this willingly. I don't buy or recommend graphics cards because they're from nVidia or AMD, the only thing that actually matters to me is what said card offers for the money (performance, noise, overclocking, reliability, good drivers, etc.). I've had cards from both companies over the years and I've tested hundreds more. I don't care who's caught lying, I can always buy from the other guy after all. But I do care when both the press and (implicitly) the consumers are being lied to so blatantly. Such an event should never be treated as casual by either side because it sets the worst kind of precedent possible: it sends the liar a signal that it's ok to continue lying and that they can easily get away with it.

The sub-group of humanity known as "gamers" have traditionally had only one sure way to be heard - voting with their wallets. But we love any chance to get vocal about "the enemy", even over petty lies by admen (like that's a real shock - who knew that our trusted advertisers could sink so low? People who rage about this have obviously never told any lies in their entire lives). So if this crap has your panties in a wad, go buy an AMD card, I'm sure they never lied about any of their crappy cards. Otherwise you should just keep running your 970 and be glad that it beats a 780 for $100 less. (and that they both blow away any Radeon card). Who can blame AMD for taking a cheap shot, they are rapidly losing market share and heading for bankruptcy. I recently bought a brand-new EVGA Classified GTX 780 Ti for $400, how is AMD going to beat that?

So, in your opinion, the fact that you got to buy nVidia's third best card (for its generation) for a price that used to get you a high-end flagship not so long ago is reason enough to overlook the fact that your favorite company intentionally lied to its customers? Fanboys never, ever cease to amaze...
 
Joined
Feb 14, 2012
Messages
2,355 (0.50/day)
System Name msdos
Processor 8086
Motherboard mainboard
Cooling passive
Memory 640KB + 384KB extended
Video Card(s) EGA
Storage 5.25"
Display(s) 80x25
Case plastic
Audio Device(s) modchip
Power Supply 45 watts
Mouse serial
Keyboard yes
Software disk commander
Benchmark Scores still running
I don't like it, but it's a first world problem, so I don't care much.
 

64K

Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
6,773 (1.73/day)
Processor i7 7700k
Motherboard MSI Z270 SLI Plus
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) Temporary MSI RTX 4070 Super
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB and WD Black 4TB
Display(s) Temporary Viewsonic 4K 60 Hz
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 850 W Gold
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10
So, in your opinion, the fact that you got to buy nVidia's third best card (for its generation) for a price that used to get you a high-end flagship not so long ago is reason enough to overlook the fact that your favorite company intentionally lied to its customers? Fanboys never, ever cease to amaze...

What? The GTX 780Ti was the flagship of that generation (Kepler) and the Classified version is still a very nice card. Why are you saying that you could get a Flagship for that same price ($400)?

At launch

GTX 480 $500
GTX 580 $500
GTX 780 $650
GTX 780Ti $700
 
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
2,785 (0.58/day)
Location
New Zealand
System Name MoneySink
Processor 2600K @ 4.8
Motherboard P8Z77-V
Cooling AC NexXxos XT45 360, RayStorm, D5T+XSPC tank, Tygon R-3603, Bitspower
Memory 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600C8
Video Card(s) GTX 780 SLI (EVGA SC ACX + Giga GHz Ed.)
Storage Kingston HyperX SSD (128) OS, WD RE4 (1TB), RE2 (1TB), Cav. Black (2 x 500GB), Red (4TB)
Display(s) Achieva Shimian QH270-IPSMS (2560x1440) S-IPS
Case NZXT Switch 810
Audio Device(s) onboard Realtek yawn edition
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050
Software Win8.1 Pro
Benchmark Scores 3.5 litres of Pale Ale in 18 minutes.
I also have read many articles and reviews about CrossFire problems and the GPU throttling on the 290X. Probably much more than about Nvidia's lies with 970.
So, your point about what I bothered reading is what? That I don't care reading about AMD problems? If this is the case, don't create a false image by specifically choosing only one line from my post and ignoring/deleting/downgrading the rest of it.
If this is not the case, ignore this comment and tell me what you really meant. :)
No, they are actually quite different. As you've stated, you've read many articles about the 970 issue. The one article concerning the UVD issue you couldn't be bothered reading....but don't feel bad, many people in the day couldn't be arsed either. The more things change the more they stay the same.;)
I would have thought it was obvious. Consumers in general have short memories - especially so in markets with a high incidence of built in obsolescence. Nothing in my previous post(s) was a personal attack aimed at you, yet you've chosen to see it as such - so that's something you're best answering yourself. As for singling out a part of your post, it was done so to highlight the general malaise that consumers view tech. As I pointed out earlier
In the end, the next shiny thing on the shelves trumps social conscience for the most part.
The rest of your post? Well, that - buyer beware, in essence - was stated as your opinion, and your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. Why would I argue opinion when the represented values have differing levels of impact from person to person?
My opinion is that if fugitive war criminals whose part-time hobby was spreading Ebola through orphanages decided to sell graphics cards at 30% of MSRP, people would get crushed in the stampede to buy them.
 
Joined
Nov 10, 2006
Messages
4,666 (0.71/day)
Location
Washington, US
System Name Rainbow
Processor Intel Core i7 8700k
Motherboard MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC
Cooling Corsair H115i, 2x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM
Memory G. Skill TridentZ RGB 4x8GB (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
Video Card(s) ZOTAC GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity
Storage 2x Samsung 950 Pro 256GB | 2xHGST Deskstar 4TB 7.2K
Display(s) Samsung C27HG70
Case Xigmatek Aquila
Power Supply Seasonic 760W SS-760XP
Mouse Razer Deathadder 2013
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K95
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 4 trillion points in GmailMark, over 144 FPS 2K Facebook Scrolling (Extreme Quality preset)
I'm hoping everyone gets upset and the market gets flooded with barely used 970s. I'd buy one used (at a good price) knowing the 970 is a little gimped, but I'd be pretty miffed if I got less than what was advertised.

As many have pointed out, those of us who actually take vram usage in to account when purchasing a card have certainly got grounds to stand on here. We expected to be able to properly use 4GB of video memory and we're missing ~12%.

True, that doesn't make the benchmarks and reviews any less factual. The issue persisted then. Still, consumers who purchased that card with the intent of it performing well down the line when vram usage is higher will be disappointed.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 20, 2005
Messages
36 (0.01/day)
Location
Bucharest, Romania
What? The GTX 780Ti was the flagship of that generation (Kepler) and the Classified version is still a very nice card. Why are you saying that you could get a Flagship for that same price ($400)?

At launch

GTX 480 $500
GTX 580 $500
GTX 780 $650
GTX 780Ti $700

Ok, second-best if you don't count dual-GPU stuff. Either way, you're forgetting about one or a couple of Titans (Titan Black Edition and Titan-Z, the original Titan was slower than 780 Ti).

As for price, you just need to go a little bit before the GTX 480. Namely, the GTX 285 had a 400$ price tag attached to it at launch and it was the single-GPU flagship of its generation.
 
Joined
Dec 23, 2012
Messages
1,715 (0.39/day)
Location
Somewhere Over There!
System Name Gen2
Processor Ryzen R9 5950X
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair Viii Hero Wifi
Cooling Lian Li 360 Galahad
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 64gb @ 3600 Mhz CL14-13-13-24 1T @ 1.45V
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 6900 XT Nitro+
Storage Seagate 520 1TB + Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + lots of HDD's
Display(s) Samsung Odyssey G7
Case Lian Li PC-O11D XL White
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex SE Platinum 1000W
Mouse Xenics Titan GX Air Wireless
Keyboard Kemove Snowfox 61
Software Main: Gentoo+Arch + Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Have tried but can't beat the leaders :)
Poll dont matter because you can vote anonymously. The fact that NVIDIA lied makes me sick. If nobody found out about that gimped 970, would they even have the courage to say "oops, wrong specs". They just keep their mouth shut and hope nobody find out. Of course fanboy will always defend even its too obvious that nvidia keeps milking the consumers.
 
Joined
Jun 10, 2014
Messages
2,987 (0.78/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K
Motherboard ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS
Cooling Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock
Memory Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB
Storage Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24"
Case Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2
Audio Device(s) Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus
Power Supply Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2
Mouse Razer Abyssus
Keyboard CM Storm QuickFire XT
Software Ubuntu
Complain all you want, but it's the real world performance which counts. A little lower memory bandwidth and L2 cache doesn't matter much for the GTX 970 since it's bottlenecked by processing power long before memory bandwidth. Anyone who do the calculations will see the GTX 970 has higher memory bandwidth per GFlop, which means memory bandwidth will be a smaller problem for the GTX 970. Tests like these prove that when overclocking the GPU alone, the GTX 970 shrinks the performance gap to GTX 980.

Most people don't realise that higher memory bandwidth offer little difference given a set GPU performance, while increasing the GPU performance also increases the need for memory bandwidth. This means a higher performing GPU is more bottlenecked by memory bandwidth.

This is why GTX 970 is a more "balanced" GPU than GTX 980, and is also why GTX 980 in theory should be ~32% faster but in reality is only <15% faster.
 

the54thvoid

Super Intoxicated Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 14, 2009
Messages
13,055 (2.39/day)
Location
Glasgow - home of formal profanity
Processor Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard MSI MAG Mortar B650 (wifi)
Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
Memory 32GB Kingston Fury
Video Card(s) Gainward RTX4070ti
Storage Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 1TB / Samsumg 960 Pro M.2 512Gb
Display(s) LG 32" 165Hz 1440p GSYNC
Case Asus Prime AP201
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply be quiet! Pure POwer M12 850w Gold (ATX3.0)
Software W10
Fanboys never, ever cease to amaze...

Says scorpion_amd13. Unless that's not the relevant AMD we're talking about in context with Nvidia?

And wtf? You've been a member 9+ years and posted 13 times? That must be a record you hermit - post more :D
 
Joined
Oct 20, 2005
Messages
36 (0.01/day)
Location
Bucharest, Romania
This is why GTX 970 is a more "balanced" GPU than GTX 980, and is also why GTX 980 in theory should be ~32% faster but in reality is only <15% faster.

You do realize that what you described has absolutely nothing to do with memory bandwidth, right? Upping the shader count never yields the same percentage in regards to real-life performance gain. Never ever. It's because of the way the GPU itself schedules tasks for its many shader groups, basically. The more shader groups, the more complex and hairy it all gets, so yeah, ~15% gain sounds about right considering the difference in frequency and shader count between the 970 and the 980.

Want a famous example? Radeon HD 3870 (320 VLIW5 shaders) versus Radeon HD 4870 (800 of the same VLIW5 shaders). The 4870 was about 56% more powerful, even though the shader count alone would indicate a massive jump in performance. And memory bandwidth had absolutely nothing to do with it.

@the54thvoid : Heh, long story, that part of the nickname actually has to do with the initials of my name. Not that hard to guess that I was rather young (although not 13) when I chose the nickname. And yeah, I've been around a really long time. I just rarely post. I enjoy the site and the community (gotta love those slug-fests between fanboys, eh?), I'm just rarely tempted to get involved.
 
Joined
Dec 23, 2012
Messages
1,715 (0.39/day)
Location
Somewhere Over There!
System Name Gen2
Processor Ryzen R9 5950X
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair Viii Hero Wifi
Cooling Lian Li 360 Galahad
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 64gb @ 3600 Mhz CL14-13-13-24 1T @ 1.45V
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 6900 XT Nitro+
Storage Seagate 520 1TB + Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + lots of HDD's
Display(s) Samsung Odyssey G7
Case Lian Li PC-O11D XL White
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex SE Platinum 1000W
Mouse Xenics Titan GX Air Wireless
Keyboard Kemove Snowfox 61
Software Main: Gentoo+Arch + Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Have tried but can't beat the leaders :)
Says scorpion_amd13. Unless that's not the relevant AMD we're talking about in context with Nvidia?

And wtf? You've been a member 9+ years and posted 13 times? That must be a record you hermit - post more :D

up for a long term hibernation I guess? :D
 
Top