Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

As oxygen is 21% of dry air, the inspired oxygen pressure is 0.21×(100−6.3)=19.6 kPa at sea level. Atmospheric pressure and inspired oxygen pressure fall roughly linearly with altitude to be 50% of the sea level value at 5500 m and only 30% of the sea level value at 8900 m (the height of the summit of Everest)

I dont think oxygen depletion will be the problem so much as the increased CO2 levels. Humans survive and thrive at comparitively low oxygen levels at altitude.


As a side note my Stepbrother was on Everest at altitude when the quake struck....here is his report on Sky news.
http://news.sky.com/video/1471991/surreal-moment-at-everest-base

he is home safe and well.

 

[DinaAngel]

Severe weather events should lead to a cooling of the atmosphere though and there is another correlation there: severe weather events have been decreasing. This, alone, could account for the warming. Weather has shaped the Earth far more so than the greenhouse gases.

yeah earth is complicated. so many things effect so many other things. another C jump would devastate weather globally

 

[DinaAngel]

As oxygen is 21% of dry air, the inspired oxygen pressure is 0.21×(100−6.3)=19.6 kPa at sea level. Atmospheric pressure and inspired oxygen pressure fall roughly linearly with altitude to be 50% of the sea level value at 5500 m and only 30% of the sea level value at 8900 m (the height of the summit of Everest)

I dont think oxygen depletion will be the problem so much as the increased CO2 levels. Humans survive and thrive at comparitively low oxygen levels at altitude.


As a side note my Stepbrother was on Everest at altitude when the quake struck....here is his report on Sky news.
http://news.sky.com/video/1471991/surreal-moment-at-everest-base

he is home safe and well.

the pressure you showed is at one location i assume? the pressure isnt globally if its not avarage.
dont forget that mountains and location has a big impact on pressure

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

the pressure you showed is at one location i assume? the pressure isnt globally if its not avarage.
dont forget that mountains and location has a big impact on pressure

yes indeed, however, i think the correlation between altitude and O2 levels is more significant than the small oxygen level changes due to atmospheric pressure. Pressure has more effect on weather than O2 levels, unless of course the weather is carrying pollutants or their precipitates i.e acid rain.

 

[Aquinus]

In climate literature, they talk about weather variability and uncertainty, never "increase in severe weather." That's alarmism from activists and the media. If anything, the climate literature is inclined towards the opposite (less variability). Yet again, another correlation: temperature increasing and weather variability decreasing. One could cause the other or perhaps no causation at all.

I think you misunderstand what I was talking about. I was talking about severity, not frequency. You can have fewer events that are more severe in nature and that is what I was getting at (albeit poorly.) That's what I've been observing at least but, I'm not qualified to make that determination, although I do have friends who are. I'm using severe as a relative term, all severe weather is severe, the question is severe in relation to what.

Your right, there may be no correlation. The atmosphere is a complex system, but I suspect alterations of temperatures at different levels in the atmosphere play a part, winds certainly do and winds are determined by pressure and temperature. Either way, I didn't mean to imply temperature alone is the cause but rather temperature variations in the atmosphere. Bigger highs and lows will produce bigger weather events, and I think that's what we're seeing. Not more events in general but more of the big kind and less of the small.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Tornadoes

Not much change.

Strong tornadoes trending down.


Hurricanes -- Something interesting here.

From NOAA, same source as above:

Shows an increasing trend and the article says as much but notice how it ends in 2006.

From NOAA with data through 2012:

The initial NOAA article was written during a particularly active year. The larger trend is downwards, like the severity of tornadoes.


In the past 3 years, there's been a pretty major shift on thinking about climate's impact on extreme weather. The data simply doesn't correlate with the alarmism.

 

[SK-1]

Not much change.


In the past 3 years, there's been a pretty major shift on thinking about climate's impact on extreme weather. The data simply doesn't correlate with the alarmism.

What is this..... common sense trickery? Ur gonna piss off a lot of warmest with this highly controversial "common sense approach"of yours.

 

[DinaAngel]

when the sea currents stop weather will change globally. Norway is gonna get soo cold. The uk won't be snow protected anymore it will be much colder.
Sahara is probably going to become solid land on its own eventually

Greenland ice is freshwater. So it will become a layer on top of the sea. It will take a couple thousands of years to merge.

The sea current begin at Greenland. It looks like a whirlpool tht would suck down a small boat or people.
sea currents have stopped before in time. But this time when we exist

 

[remixedcat]

well one thing's for sure I wish teh heat would go to the PNW where everyone whines about a lack of summer there/it's too cold there and leave us mid atlantic/midwesterners alone!!! it';s 15 above normal and it sucks. everyone can't take this anymore. and no pools or lakes are open so you're stuck at home. or you gotta travel to a place with an indoor pool and look funny.

and nobody is selling pools yet either.

mid 80s isnt till freakin july weather!!! it's supposed to be 60s and 70s here!!

 

[dorsetknob]

Sahara is probably going to become solid land on its own eventually

The Sahara is the largest Sand Desert in the world that's pretty much solid land now

facepalm

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Greenland ice is freshwater. So it will become a layer on top of the sea. It will take a couple thousands of years to merge.

They mix immediately.


Currents may slow but they will not stop. So long as there exists a temperature differential, convection will occur.

 

[SK-1]

Adviser to the Australian PM says climate change is a 'hoax'

Maurice Newman, the chairman of Australia's Business Advisory Council has said that climate science is mostly "dud predictions", adding that "The real agenda is concentrated political authority. Global warming is the hook. It's about a new world order under the control of the UN".

Newman reports to Tony Abbott, the Australian Prime Minister, and was appointed by Abbott himself to chair the Business Advisory Council, and has been a critic of climate science for quite sometime. Newman has put out a few false statements, including "95 percent of the climate models we are told prove the link between human CO2 emissions and catastrophic global warming have been found, after nearly two decades of temperature stasis, to be in error".

While this might sound like a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy post, scientists don't exactly have all the answers when it comes to weather. Especially when there's trillions of dollars of trade at stake in virtually every industry thanks to 'climate change', and with YouTubers like Suspicious0bservers showing us that our Sun can influence the weather here on Earth, maybe this is something we need to be talking about?
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45058/advisor-australian-pm-climate-change-hoax/index.html

 

[FordGT90Concept]

What you bolded is prefaced as a "false statement..."

 

[Mr McC]

A quick survey: http://moronwatch.net/2013/02/10-questions-for-climate-change-deniers.html

It is easy to find evidence of scams seeking to take advantage of the need to combat pollution/climate change, that, unfortunately, is an inevitable part of all human activity; however, the need still exists.

Put it another way, does the fact that some people feign a disability or illness to receive charity mean that charity, by definition, entails giving to the undeserving?

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Well, well, lets hope Maurice doesnt get dismissed as a loony cos he sounds like the wrong person to be making statements like that.

Its a good way to make people disbelieve the theory actually....let a known liar spout his mouth off. Happens all the time.


Hahahahaha moronwatch...........moron is the Welsh word for a carrot.

 

[Mr McC]

Moronwatch, indeed

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Put it another way, does the fact that some people feign a disability or illness to receive charity mean that charity, by definition, entails giving to the undeserving?

which church did you hear that one in ?

 

[dorsetknob]

A quick survey: http://moronwatch.net/2013/02/10-questions-for-climate-change-deniers.html

It is easy to find evidence of scams seeking to take advantage of the need to combat pollution/climate change, that, unfortunately, is an inevitable part of all human activity; however, the need still exists.

Put it another way, does the fact that some people feign a disability or illness to receive charity mean that charity, by definition, entails giving to the undeserving?

The Fact that your pointing to a site with the part title MORONWATCH
oh i cant be bothered i can watch morons here

 

[Mr McC]

which church did you hear that one in ?

The Latter Day Church of Unrepentant Sodomites

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I will not be goaded into suggesting what might have attracted you there.

 

[Deelron]

well one thing's for sure I wish teh heat would go to the PNW where everyone whines about a lack of summer there/it's too cold there and leave us mid atlantic/midwesterners alone!!! it';s 15 above normal and it sucks. everyone can't take this anymore. and no pools or lakes are open so you're stuck at home. or you gotta travel to a place with an indoor pool and look funny.

and nobody is selling pools yet either.

mid 80s isnt till freakin july weather!!! it's supposed to be 60s and 70s here!!

No thanks, I like my weather up here in the PNW, thanks . There's plenty of summer.

 

[SK-1]

More Official"Fiddling"....

NOAA Fiddles With Climate Data To Erase The 15-Year Global Warming ‘Hiatus’...

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists have found a solution to the 15-year “pause” in global warming: They “adjusted” the hiatus in warming out of the temperature record.

New climate data by NOAA scientists doubles the warming trend since the late 1990s by adjusting pre-hiatus temperatures downward and inflating temperatures in more recent years.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/n...a-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

 

[dorsetknob]

@SK-1
Steady on are you posting for a friend that's going blind

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

It's big news.

 

[REAYTH]

I would like to know how the IPCC directly links fixing the environment with raising taxes and subsidizing failed business models politicians have investments in. I ask because honestly that's the only thing I have seen come out of "Global Warming/Global Change".

Sorry if I don't have much faith in multi-national projects. They almost ALWAYS have corrupt money involved and failed ideas that only benefit investors. F-35 anyone?

Not saying global warming isn't real. Just question how much of it is the responsibility of man and how much of the alarmist mentality is an excuse to bomb the populous of this planet with more taxes.