AMD Does Trust its CPUs After all, to Offer Intel on Project Quantum as Options

[Patriot]

This is huge but common mistake.
Higher resolutions are always more CPU demanding than lower resolutions but he difference is not that steep as with GPU. If a CPU can't get to 60 FPS at 1080p there is no chance it will manage at 4K.

And with Mantle, DX12 and OpenGL being able to take advantage of more cores... This will only make reviews more interesting. Some games will do better with higher clocks as tradition has ruled some will want as many cores as you can feed it.

 

[Patriot]

ill take one with the kitguru theme!

You want a Nvidia themed Quantum?

 

[Petey Plane]

This is huge but common mistake.
Higher resolutions are always more CPU demanding than lower resolutions but he difference is not that steep as with GPU. If a CPU can't get to 60 FPS at 1080p there is no chance it will manage at 4K.

not a mistake at all. I'll just leave this here (3258 is only a dual core),

it's a 1% to 2% difference in a CPU intensive game that scales with core-count, and the differences will shrink as the resolution goes up. Save your money on the CPU kids.

 

[Hood]

It should have an FX 8350/9370 as the only choice.
The people at AMD's marketing department are idiots; to have Intel on an AMD branded machine is a shot in the foot. Better to suffer a performance decrease under some circumstances (which would be manageable considering the double GPU).

Or maybe they're smart; they might sell a lot more of these high-priced/high margin systems by offering the choice. People who dislike AMD's processors don't necessarily have a problem with their GPUs, so having the choice gives them a reason to consider buying one. Anyway, ignoring Intel won't make them go away, and this is a rare example of a company taking the high road - serving their customers better even though it requires buying chips from "the enemy". I'm sure Intel is giving them a steep discount, so AMD still makes money even selling an Intel CPU! It's a win-win proposition for everyone, even the customer (who gets a better CPU and lower temps).i That is assuming that Fiji lives up to the hype - and also assuming anyone actually buys this thing...

 

[damric]

It won't have AM3+ if it is SFF. There are no SFF boards that can handle the 220W CPUs, and anything less would just suck.

It could use Kaveri though, which at stock 4GHz is as good as 4.5GHz FX, and the boards would not be a problem.

 

[buildzoid]

It won't have AM3+ if it is SFF. There are no SFF boards that can handle the 220W CPUs, and anything less would just suck.

It could use Kaveri though, which at stock 4GHz is as good as 4.5GHz FX, and the boards would not be a problem.

You could do a ROG Impact style VRM and push 220W easy even 400W. Just because motherboard manufacturers refuse to make good SFF AM3+ motherboards does not mean it's impossible.

 

[damric]

You could do a ROG Impact style VRM and push 220W easy even 400W. Just because motherboard manufacturers refuse to make good SFF AM3+ motherboards does not mean it's impossible.

Well if we are designing new products then just make an 8 core FM2+ Steamroller and call it a day.

 

[xenocide]

And with Mantle, DX12 and OpenGL being able to take advantage of more cores...

DX11 could take advantage of plenty of cores (Metro and BF3 proved that), the issue is developers not sinking resources into multithreading games or hitting roadblocks that make it more difficult. There's a difference between theory and reality. In theory DX12 would lead to more multithreading and better performance for a given set of visuals, in practice it will probably suck just as badly outside of those few developers who really put in the effort.

 

[xorbe]

If they sell two Fiji and one Intel cpu that's win, and if they sell two Fiji and one AMD cpu, that's win-win.

 

[LogitechFan]

It seems everything amd does lately is flawed one way or another. Dual fury under water .... and HDMI 1.4a... A great mini gaming box.... and an ugly external PSU. Even more disturbing is that they prefer to hide it in PR shots. Same applies to the lack of HDMI 2.0 support. It was discovered by accident. AMD ssds are OCZ rebrands, and are quite average quality, just like their current cpus. I like the concept, but I will never buy anything with a separate PSU unit. Also I want to know how upgradable this thing is, and if I could use the same cooling system with, say Fury X3 in 2017 or something...

 

[ValenOne]

It seems everything amd does lately is flawed one way or another. Dual fury under water .... and HDMI 1.4a... A great mini gaming box.... and an ugly external PSU. Even more disturbing is that they prefer to hide it in PR shots. Same applies to the lack of HDMI 2.0 support. It was discovered by accident. AMD ssds are OCZ rebrands, and are quite average quality, just like their current cpus. I like the concept, but I will never buy anything with a separate PSU unit. Also I want to know how upgradable this thing is, and if I could use the same cooling system with, say Fury X3 in 2017 or something...

Standard HDMI 2.0 also lacks FreeSync or G Sync.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Well if we are designing new products then just make an 8 core FM2+ Steamroller and call it a day.

Excavator please

 

[arbiter]

And with Mantle, DX12 and OpenGL being able to take advantage of more cores... This will only make reviews more interesting. Some games will do better with higher clocks as tradition has ruled some will want as many cores as you can feed it.

I guess you haven't noticed that clocks of CPU hasn't really ment anything for many years. Even more cores doesn't mean its faster either.

It seems everything amd does lately is flawed one way or another.

Most due to playing catchup. Nvidia has even if people don't want to credit them for it has put out some good stuff last year or to. Getting GF Experience to do automatic settings optimization in games and allowing almost 0 performance impact recording of game play. Getting VRR in to main stream market. When you are forced to rush things things get either over looked or put on a to fix later list.

 

[kn00tcn]

to:lilhasselhoffer
why? and why it (old article) bothers you?

News is a reporting of the facts, with a minimized bias. Fox, NBC, and ABC are no longer capable of reporting the news. TPU is capable of reporting the news. The previous article stated opinion as news, and even this title is only news worthy because the opinion expressed can be reconciled with demonstrable facts.


I have no issues with editorials, but when an editorial piece is labelled as news somebody had to fix it.

my problem is that search results would go to the old post & some viewers will think it's relevant

 

[Caring1]

It should have an FX 8350/9370 as the only choice.
The people at AMD's marketing department are idiots; to have Intel on an AMD branded machine is a shot in the foot. Better to suffer a performance decrease under some circumstances (which would be manageable considering the double GPU).

This has all been addressed in the other thread.

 

[mastrdrver]

I'd like to officially implant my foot in my mouth. My apologies btarunr and thank you for this news piece.

 

[ensabrenoir]

.......has my I5 with radeon cores moved from the delusions of a madman section to the its just a dream section?

 

[LogitechFan]

Standard HDMI 2.0 also lacks FreeSync or G Sync.

Good point even tho AMD showed FreeSync-over-HDMI 2.0 concept at computex 2015. I'm sure Nvidia will do the same soon. Besides, using 4K on a monitor is silly and most 4kTVs have HDMI 2.0. Also, why not have at least one HDMI 2.0 on fury and the rest can be DP 1.3..... oh wait, Fury only has DisplayPort 1.2a! What a waste, really.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

my problem is that search results would go to the old post & some viewers will think it's relevant

I posted a link to this thread in the last discussion for that exact purpose.

 

[bentan77]

Agree. The reality is, at 4k (why else would you need 2 Fijis) there would be virtually no FPS difference between an 8350 and a 4790k (or 5960x).

There can still be large differences, it depends on the game. GTA V for example can have pretty hard dips in some scenes http://pclab.pl/art57777-22.html and then there's games games like DayZ which can be even worse.

not a mistake at all. I'll just leave this here (3258 is only a dual core),

it's a 1% to 2% difference in a CPU intensive game that scales with core-count, and the differences will shrink as the resolution goes up. Save your money on the CPU kids.

That bench would have been testing in a not so CPU heavy scene, most likely single player too. If you try playing multiplayer in a full server then there would be huge differences between the 4690K and a Pentium.

 

[tabascosauz]

You could do a ROG Impact style VRM and push 220W easy even 400W. Just because motherboard manufacturers refuse to make good SFF AM3+ motherboards does not mean it's impossible.

That makes zero sense. Even with a vertical VRM daughterboard, decent AM3+ mITX would be a ludicrous challenge that absolutely no one would be willing to undertake. AM3+ is still stuck in 2008, where NB and SB are two separate chunks of die on the board. mini-ITX AM3+ been done once by (I think or maybe it was AM3) Jetway, and in no way is that one-off board with its rickety power delivery ready for FX-8370, let alone the 9000s.

Good SFF AM3+ motherboards are, in direct contrast to your statement, virtually impossible. That's why FM2+ exists; lower power consumption, a unified FCH, and a more modern process make it much more realistic to hope for quad-module CPUs in mITX format.

 

[ValenOne]

Good point even tho AMD showed FreeSync-over-HDMI 2.0 concept at computex 2015. I'm sure Nvidia will do the same soon. Besides, using 4K on a monitor is silly and most 4kTVs have HDMI 2.0. Also, why not have at least one HDMI 2.0 on fury and the rest can be DP 1.3..... oh wait, Fury only has DisplayPort 1.2a! What a waste, really.

DisplayPort/Mini DP to Active HDMI Adapter AMD Eyefinity/Max 4096 x 2160@60HZ or 2560 x 1600@120Hz 3D Vision

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...yefinity-Max-4096-x-2160-60HZ/1734487329.html

NVIDIA is using SI (Silicon Image) chips for their HDMI 2.0.

 

[Mussels]

Agree. The reality is, at 4k (why else would you need 2 Fijis) there would be virtually no FPS difference between an 8350 and a 4790k (or 5960x).

if you think that higher res will make it so there is no performance difference between the CPU's, that is not how things work.

 

[mroofie]

not a mistake at all. I'll just leave this here (3258 is only a dual core),

it's a 1% to 2% difference in a CPU intensive game that scales with core-count, and the differences will shrink as the resolution goes up. Save your money on the CPU kids.

Wow .......

Get some real comparisons please

 

[dados8756]

the biggest question is... will AMD CPU bottleneck with dual fiji ??? that was simple question for buyer right now...