Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

micropage7 · Sep 5, 2015

Ahhzz said:
any machine that can run 10 can run 7 so I don't see a point in moving to win10.

yeah, or at least my apps still let me run it on 7, i would stay on 7

personally i dont rush move to 10, especially after the news that said 10 transfers some information to M$, and my apps until now run pretty well on 7 and i dunno if i move to 10 it will act the same, especially for kinda old apps and one more the drivers, although you can download it thru internet with my shitty connection it will be painful

Arctucas · Sep 5, 2015

For me, Windows 7 until it is rendered in-operational.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Although, it seems to me that Microsoft has adopted a stance of; If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.

Go To Sleep · Sep 5, 2015

I'm on Windows 7 Ultimate still yep haha.

HTC · Sep 5, 2015

Arctucas said:
Although, it seems to me that Microsoft has adopted a stance of; If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.

Seems so!

RandomSadness · Sep 19, 2015

I'm happy with W8.1 so far and see no real point on going to W10. Unless a noticeable gaming improvement arrives, which I believe will not until DX12 optimized games, I will not upgrade anytime soon.

manofthem · Sep 19, 2015

All 3 systems are running Win10 now, and it's been a pretty decent ride. My setups and needs aren't too particular so my experiences may differ from others. It's funny having a start menu back because I rarely use it now.

What I am going to try, having just read @R-T-B's post, is to reinstall 8.1 on a separate hdd after my 30 days are up, just to check out how it goes with activation.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 19, 2015

If anything stops working, it would be your Windows 10 install but I suspect Microsoft took a "don't be evil" approach: both will work fine.

manofthem · Sep 19, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
If anything stops working, it would be your Windows 10 install but I suspect Microsoft took a "don't be evil" approach: both will work fine.

We'll I'd hate to take a chance. I want to keep 10 because I don't have any intention of reverting. Eh, we'll see, maybe I'll just leave it be as is.

johnspack · Sep 19, 2015

Can't believe the infection is trying to spread to win7 now:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3022345
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3075249
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080149
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917
I've had to hide these. I want to buy a gtx970 partly for dx12, but if this is the crap I have to put up with, forget it.
I pay for windows, and they spy on me? At least in 7 I can remove the infection.

laszlo · Sep 25, 2015

M$ win10 it may be downloaded already on your pc even if you didn't "reserved" it.....through normal update.... so people check if you have hidden folder on C: "$Windows.~BT" ..... fu..k them:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/11/microsoft-downloading-windows-1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-onto-computers-without-users-permission.html
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...o-much-it-downloads-it-for-you-without-asking
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...ownloading-6gb-to-your-pc-without-permission/

RejZoR · Sep 25, 2015

Windows 10 is the worst Windows OS I've used in my entire life and I've been using Windows since 3.1. All the spying nonsense and the most retarded Windows Update I've ever seen and used made me hate this damn thing like crazy.

I've even tried the tool that supposedly gives you contro over what Windows Update installs and what not and it's the clumsiest and most retarded thing I've seen in my life. Just as retarded as entire Windows 10 itself. I'm still banging my head against desk wondering how could a corporation like Microsoft with such long history of developing good operating system screw something up so god damn badly.

Built my whole system to be DirectX 12 ready and now I can't use it because OS itself is so retarded and I'm forced to stay with Windows 8.1. Just wow Microsoft, you've managed to do the impossible...

Ahhzz · Sep 25, 2015

Heheheh glad to see another satisfied M$ customer

Are you using Win10 Enterprise? I thought that was the only one that would allow you to fully control the updates.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 25, 2015

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

Business -> Expand all -> last category. Pro has Windows Update + Windows Update for Businesses where Home just has Windows Update. The only difference between Pro and Enterprise is "Long Term Servicing Branch" whatever that is.

RejZoR · Sep 25, 2015

I had Windows 10 Pro. If they fucked up normal versions so badly, imagine what kind of administration nightmare Windows 10 has to be for companies and enterprises...

AsRock · Sep 26, 2015

laszlo said:
M$ win10 it may be downloaded already on your pc even if you didn't "reserved" it.....through normal update.... so people check if you have hidden folder on C: "$Windows.~BT" ..... fu..k them:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/11/microsoft-downloading-windows-1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-onto-computers-without-users-permission.html
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...o-much-it-downloads-it-for-you-without-asking
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...ownloading-6gb-to-your-pc-without-permission/

Because you have that folder don't mean it's been downloaded.

Ahhzz · Sep 26, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

Business -> Expand all -> last category. Pro has Windows Update + Windows Update for Businesses where Home just has Windows Update. The only difference between Pro and Enterprise is "Long Term Servicing Branch" whatever that is.

Long term branch means that they are not "pushed" the updates until the corporate office approves the update. It allows for the common people to deal with teh bugs before it's pushed into a corporate/business/production environment.

flmatter · Sep 27, 2015

I find it funny, I had installed win10 upgrade, then went and did a clean install. Nothing but problems and long boot times. I was going to install win 7 ulti but ended up installing win 7 pro. All of my issues and problems went a way. Even issues I had with my wireless card went away when I went back to win 7. My games run smoother and no random lag spikes or ping spikes. Drivers need a lot of work before win10 will be decent. I was unhappy with win10 and happy again with win7. My first complaint about an OS. I did not even complain about Vista when it was out.

Mussels · Sep 27, 2015

now that i've got all my systems on 10, i changed my vote and have advice here for peeps.

1. after the initial upgrade, clean install. you can use the same USB installer for both, and keep the free licence after. this solves many driver dramas.

2. use O&O shutup 10 and the group policy tweak to disable the 'spyware' ish stuff and force windows updates back to manual.

3. all missing menus can be found via right clicking on the start menu, or searching in the start menu. its actually easier than w7/w8.

wireless drivers are definitely a big cause of problems for people with 8/10, so if you have issues focus on that first. All my wifi stuff is N150 or newer and has no dramas.

RejZoR · Sep 27, 2015

How did you force Windows Update back into manual? By manual, do you mean Windows 8.1 behavior? If I can get that back I'd totally go to Win10. But without it, no way.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 27, 2015

Without Group Policy: Search for Windows Update settings, click on advanced settings, then select "Notify to schedule restart."

With Group Policy: Run gpedit.msc then Computer configuration, policies, Administrative templates, Windows Components, Windows Update, in the right pane choose "Configure automatic updates" to disabled.

Mussels · Sep 27, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Without Group Policy: Search for Windows Update settings, click on advanced settings, then select "Notify to schedule restart."

With Group Policy: Run gpedit.msc then Computer configuration, policies, Administrative templates, Windows Components, Windows Update, in the right pane choose "Configure automatic updates" to disabled.

RejZoR said:
How did you force Windows Update back into manual? By manual, do you mean Windows 8.1 behavior? If I can get that back I'd totally go to Win10. But without it, no way.

the second method above. it makes it so you have to go into windows update and search before it will download them. Still cant choose which ones, but at least you can control when they download + install a lot easier.

horik · Sep 27, 2015

Only problem i found on Win10 is with Blender, files i saved and rendered in Win7 with no problems made my PC crash and restart on Win10.
Did not want to increase V on CPU so instead i downclocked it a bit, works fine now.

RejZoR · Sep 27, 2015

Mussels said:
the second method above. it makes it so you have to go into windows update and search before it will download them. Still cant choose which ones, but at least you can control when they download + install a lot easier.

So, still shitty. I'll pass then.

Mussels · Sep 27, 2015

RejZoR said:
So, still shitty. I'll pass then.

its imperfect. you can disable driver updates and other tweaks as well, but at least i can go with the 'fuck updates' route after initial install

FordGT90Concept · Sep 27, 2015

Microsoft isn't going to disable automatic updates because of the PEBKAC disease. Power users that don't suffer from PEBKAC also know about Group Policy so...

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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?

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