Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Easy Rhino · Nov 22, 2015

Still on 8.1. Pretty sure upgrading to Win 10 will break my audio setup

qubit · Nov 22, 2015

Easy Rhino said:
Still on 8.1. Pretty sure upgrading to Win 10 will break my audio setup

It will break your DX8 and DX9 games for sure as I found out to my cost.

So far, my X-Fi card still works fine on the W10 generic driver, albeit without the control panel for the fancy features it supports. Still got to investigate an updated driver for this.

Easy Rhino · Nov 22, 2015

qubit said:
It will break your DX8 and DX9 games for sure as I found out to my cost.

So far, my X-Fi card still works fine on the W10 generic driver, albeit without the control panel for the fancy features it supports. Still got to investigate an updated driver for this.

Why is it with all of these OS upgrades it is the audio drivers that always seem to be left behind?

Mr.Scott · Nov 22, 2015

Easy Rhino said:
Why is it with all of these OS upgrades it is the audio drivers that always seem to be left behind?

A lot of that falls on the manufacturers.

qubit · Nov 23, 2015

Easy Rhino said:
Why is it with all of these OS upgrades it is the audio drivers that always seem to be left behind?

I feel yer pain, Easy.

The cynic in me would say that it's at least partly a ploy to get us to buy new sound cards in this stagnant market. However, I'm a completely trusting soul so I don't think this.

Mr.Scott said:
A lot of that falls on the manufacturers.

I'd say it's a bit of both. Why can't the latest Windows be more compatible with previous Windows drivers?

Mr.Scott · Nov 23, 2015

qubit said:
Why can't the latest Windows be more compatible with previous Windows drivers?

Because then it would just be the previous Windows................with built in spyware.

qubit · Nov 23, 2015

Mr.Scott said:
Because then it would just be the previous Windows................with built in spyware.

No it wouldn't be the previous Windows. Agreed about the spyware.

Deleted member 74752 · Nov 23, 2015

HTC said:
The fact they can change a setting in your PC (from hidden unselected update to selected and not hidden) means they have some sort of access to it, be it from some form of malware embedded in their windows files or something else.

Here is what I have discovered today and a reliable solution to the Win 10 "upgrade" problem.

The Win 10 upgrade prompt in update window is not the actual OS...it is a installer to be used to streamline the upgrade when selected. The real problem is it also makes said upgrade nearly impossible to avoid at best and absolutely annoying in the least. Here is the culprit...search for "KB3035583" in your update history. This is the Trojan that must be deleted/blocked. Download GWX Stopper... http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ ...run this to get rid of the nasty update. You will however have to be observant in the future as Microsoft will keep sending it back as a priority update...you must uncheck it before updating. Just my opinion, but Microsoft should be treated just like a terrorist...they had every intention and no remorse in this matter.

Mr.Scott · Nov 23, 2015

rickss69 said:
Just my opinion, but Microsoft should be treated just like a terrorist...they had every intention and no remorse in this matter.

It's not just your opinion.

Good to hear from you again buddy.

Mr.Scott · Nov 23, 2015

qubit said:
No it wouldn't be the previous Windows. Agreed about the spyware.

Oh, you're right.
EDGE.

HTC · Nov 23, 2015

rickss69 said:
Here is what I have discovered today and a reliable solution to the Win 10 "upgrade" problem.

The Win 10 upgrade prompt in update window is not the actual OS...it is a installer to be used to streamline the upgrade when selected. The real problem is it also makes said upgrade nearly impossible to avoid at best and absolutely annoying in the least. Here is the culprit...search for "KB3035583" in your update history. This is the Trojan that must be deleted/blocked. Download GWX Stopper... http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ ...run this to get rid of the nasty update. You will however have to be observant in the future as Microsoft will keep sending it back as a priority update...you must uncheck it before updating. Just my opinion, but Microsoft should be treated just like a terrorist...they had every intention and no remorse in this matter.

I don't have that update in my system: it was hard but i managed to get rid of it. My sister's PC does have it.

Still, we were BOTH affected by the update being selected, even though it's supposed to be optional, when we tried to download and install the important updates.

The fact that it's active by default and that, though we uncheck and hide it and it STILL gets itself unhidden and checked again is, IMO, a cause for concern.

rtwjunkie · Nov 23, 2015

rickss69 said:
Here is what I have discovered today and a reliable solution to the Win 10 "upgrade" problem.

The Win 10 upgrade prompt in update window is not the actual OS...it is a installer to be used to streamline the upgrade when selected. The real problem is it also makes said upgrade nearly impossible to avoid at best and absolutely annoying in the least. Here is the culprit...search for "KB3035583" in your update history. This is the Trojan that must be deleted/blocked. Download GWX Stopper... http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ ...run this to get rid of the nasty update. You will however have to be observant in the future as Microsoft will keep sending it back as a priority update...you must uncheck it before updating. Just my opinion, but Microsoft should be treated just like a terrorist...they had every intention and no remorse in this matter.

I don't have the update. That's the gwx installer update you mentioned. I uninstalled it long ago. Thats my point, MS is bring slimy and underhanded and has devised new ways to get the "upgrade" out to everyone, hoping people have auto update settings.

Deleted member 74752 · Nov 23, 2015

Mr.Scott said:
It's not just your opinion.

Good to hear from you again buddy.

Hello Mr Scott...been a long time friend.

jboydgolfer · Nov 23, 2015

I installed 10 last night (after making a Full backup with seagate discwizard) and all seemed fine, it even displays a message that we kept all of your files that you had before, or somethign along those lines....then i get into desktop, and 35-40% of my installed applications aren't available anylonger, evem Mozilla FF was gone. Im certain that this OS is working for others, (it must be otherwise they'd be crazy to switch to it) but EVEN if there is a fix to this, I just cant bring myself to go through all that for what is already a precarious transition. just my two cents

Deleted member 74752 · Nov 23, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
I don't have the update. That's the gwx installer update you mentioned. I uninstalled it long ago. Thats my point, MS is bring slimy and underhanded and has devised new ways to get the "upgrade" out to everyone, hoping people have auto update settings.

You don't have to have your settings to Auto for this to happen...Microsoft will do that for you lol.

Solaris17 · Nov 23, 2015

Mr.Scott said:
A lot of that falls on the manufacturers.

this its not microsofts job to provide anything over basic drivers for basic devices mostly integrated.

Deleted member 74752 · Nov 23, 2015

Here she is boys and girls...already pre-checked for you by Microsuck.

cdawall · Nov 23, 2015

Windows 7 ultimate for me until I find a reason to swap. I like the layout of 7 and find it easy to use, I use 8.1 and 10 at work and while 10 is nicer than 8.1 in my opinion I will still use 7 until I have a reason to change, it still runs better on older hardware and I don't need 10 so why fight drivers.

RejZoR · Nov 23, 2015

But a least you can still manually decide about updates. Windows 10 just shoves it down your throat with no option of any selection. You just must accept all updates or none. So dumb.

Frick · Nov 23, 2015

I think you guys just suck, I don't get that update.

R-T-B · Nov 23, 2015

HTC said:
The fact they can change a setting in your PC (from hidden unselected update to selected and not hidden) means they have some sort of access to it, be it from some form of malware embedded in their windows files or something else.

More like admin rights "Windows Update." All it takes is an installer, no backdoor beyond that needed...

HTC · Nov 23, 2015

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rickss69 said:
Here she is boys and girls...already pre-checked for you by Microsuck.

That's not the one: it's windows 10 upgrade itself, with over 2.5 GB in size.

I went to check my hidden updates as well as my installed ones and discovered something interesting. Check these 2 screenies (attatch):

Notice i have that particular update both hidden AND installed ... but i checked and have no GWX file on my system ...

I also noticed i have FOUR different windows 10 upgrades under hidden updates which MAY BE why it seems that windows upgrade option keeps "checking itself", though i'm unsure of this. Still, it doesn't change the fact that microsoft is STILL trying to push this upgrade down our throats and, unless we have automatic updates off, you'll be upgraded whether you want to or not.

R-T-B said:
More like admin rights "Windows Update." All it takes is an installer, no backdoor beyond that needed...

A backdoor is a backdoor: regardless of who makes it.

rtwjunkie · Nov 23, 2015

@HTC yep, the 2.5GB download of the actual W10 is what I had checked as well. Weird thing is, there is no precursor program to bring it in. I wonder if that GWX program to bring it in was just a placebo.

R-T-B · Nov 23, 2015

Frick said:
A backdoor is a backdoor: regardless of who makes it.

Then I hope you're happy going hunting for patches on a website ala Windows 9x era, because if you consider Windows Update a backdoor you're going to have to do that again.

My point is, short of reading what updates do and filtering them (which is admittedly, now being denied to us), you are WILLINGLY handing over control to microsoft when you run that useful service even on 7/8. You can't have it both ways.

AsRock · Nov 23, 2015

Tell ya what, their should be a option were you could select which driver updates you want or not want so every thing from motherboard, video card and sound card you could just tick a frigging box if you wanted them or not.

Other company's can make software that does it why cannot MS the company with so much more money than they have.

Simple they don't want or give a dam.

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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?

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Wait and see how W10 develops over the next few months

Gotta try it out a bit more

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