The TPU UK Clubhouse

[RCoon]

Oh dear. I feel we are suitably screwed now.

It also seems I'm not very well represented in my catchment area.

 

[Caring1]

Is it true, I heard England voted to leave the E.U. but Scotland and N. Ireland aren't.

 

[RCoon]

Is it true, I heard England voted to leave the E.U. but Scotland and N. Ireland aren't.

Britain voted to leave. As much as they hate it, Scotland Wales and N. Ireland are part of Britain, so that means them too.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

The Welsh dont hate being a part of Britain, the days of crazy Welsh Nationalists burning English holiday homes have long gone.

• 1979–94: Meibion Glyndŵr fire-bomb around 220 English-owned homes.
• 1988–89: Meibion Glyndŵr declared that "every white settler is a target". The group also placed incendiary bombs in Conservative party offices in London and estate agents' offices in London, Liverpool, Sutton Coldfield, Haverfordwest, Carmarthen and Llandeilo.
• 1990: Poet and priest R. S. Thomas calls for a campaign to deface English-owned homes.
• 1993: Sion Aubrey Roberts, a member of Meibion Glyndŵr, was jailed for twelve years for sending letter bombs to Conservative politicians.

In the most recent poll by Cardiff University...70 % of Wales would NOT vote for independence from the UK

 

[the54thvoid]

Good morning Britons. On the regional split, every Scottish region voted remain by about 2 to 1.

During the independence referendum Scots were threatened by the EU and UK governments that if we voted for independence, we wouldn't be able to stay in Europe.
The nightmare scenario has happened in that a Scottish government has been ripped out of EU by the English/Welsh weighted vote.
There may well be another Scottish Indy vote incoming based on that but it's far less palatable to us with the English border not being in the EU.

In the meantime, same shit, different masters. A low pound also makes exports cheaper. As long as we have exports to make. Lesson for future governments that investing in the UK's manufacturing industry is of paramount importance.

 

[RCoon]

Good morning Britons. On the regional split, every Scottish region voted remain by about 2 to 1.

During the independence referendum Scots were threatened by the EU and UK governments that if we voted for independence, we wouldn't be able to stay in Europe.
The nightmare scenario has happened in that a Scottish government has been ripped out of EU by the English/Welsh weighted vote.
There may well be another Scottish Indy vote incoming based on that but it's far less palatable to us with the English border not being in the EU.

In the meantime, same shit, different masters. A low pound also makes exports cheaper. As long as we have exports to make. Lesson for future governments that investing in the UK's manufacturing industry is of paramount importance.

This is what me and my boss were discussing this morning. I get the impression Scotland's next independence vote is going to be a stark difference to what we saw previously.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Bye Bye Cameron

 

[RCoon]

Bye Bye Cameron

And you'd rather have Boris Johnson as Prime Minister and Gove as Chancellor?

I'm all for the Cameron hate, but the alternatives are far worse.

 

[Finners]

If Scotland rejoin after we leave, is there a good chance they will have to take the euro?

Edit*

Also think Cameron should stay, end of the day we are not leaving straight away so some stability whilst we renegotiate everything would be welcome

 

[Finners]

Oh! Didn't realise he had stepped down

As I said above don't think that is going to help any

 

[the54thvoid]

In all seriousness, despite the EU debate, a lot of Scots would still vote to stay in the UK.

If we did vote for independence and we join the EU, you can all come up here when Iron Clown Boris imposes his lunatic policies.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

And you'd rather have Boris Johnson as Prime Minister and Gove as Chancellor?

Theres an awful lot of crystal ball gazing going on.

 

[RCoon]

In all seriousness, despite the EU debate, a lot of Scots would still vote to stay in the UK.

If we did vote for independence and we join the EU, you can all come up here when Iron Clown Boris imposes his lunatic policies.

Got a room I can rent?

Theres an awful lot of crystal ball gazing going on.

I don't really call 48/52 democracy. Precisely half the country deciding what the whole of the country is going to do.

 

[the54thvoid]

Theres an awful lot of crystal ball gazing going on.

Democracy is the illusion given to the people by political and financial systems that dictate policy. Democracy is the right to vote, nothing more. You often vote on a manifesto but these manifestos are rarely delivered upon.

 

[tabascosauz]

Being of non-British nationality and only in cause of a visa, I should probably say that both sides have made a reasonably convincing campaign.

But Farage's comments about "independence" comprise the purest bullshit I've heard in years (also "victory without a single bullet fired" was rather insensitive considering the tragedy of Jo Cox last week). British people should also know that Parliamentary sovereignty has been undermined for 40 years and will continue to be a complete joke to all but the blindest nationalists clinging to imperialist ideals <=== fact, not opinion. Congratulations, adherents to the Diceyan conception. You got your sovereignty back, in a time when it means nothing.

Not much to be surprised about. It was all bound to happen in the event of Leave. Leave supporters voted with their emotions, and there's nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism here and there. Now Britain has instantly bombed markets and currencies around the world, and should probably shoulder the blame for any accusations that it acted selfishly and without a single thought for the consequences in an interconnected world.

Time to prepare the UK for EU-free trading, I guess. Not that UKIP bastards would ever give an ounce of thought to the possibility that a Leave vote would be followed by a lot of hard work in rebuilding trade.

 

[RCoon]

Being of non-British nationality and only in cause of a visa, I should probably say that both sides have made a reasonably convincing campaign.

But Farage's comments about "independence" comprise the purest bullshit I've heard in years (also "victory without a single bullet fired" was rather insensitive considering the tragedy of Jo Cox last week). British people should also know that Parliamentary sovereignty has been undermined for 40 years and will continue to be a complete joke to all but the blindest nationalists clinging to imperialist ideals <=== fact, not opinion. Congratulations, adherents to the Diceyan conception. You got your sovereignty back, in a time when it means nothing.

Not much to be surprised about. It was all bound to happen in the event of Leave. Leave supporters voted with their emotions, and there's nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism here and there. Now Britain has instantly bombed markets and currencies around the world, and should probably shoulder the blame for any accusations that it acted selfishly and without a single thought for the consequences in an interconnected world.

Time to prepare the UK for EU-free trading, I guess. Not that UKIP bastards would ever give an ounce of thought to the possibility that a Leave vote would be followed by a lot of hard work in rebuilding trade.

We're no longer the 5th largest economy. In 5 hours we dropped to sixth because the pound took a nose dive. We've been overtaken by France. A piece of cruel irony for those who voted leave to "stick it to the French".

 

[kurosagi01]

Well it was going happen if we leave so its time to rebuild and start from beginning or watch us crash and burn overtime until we have recovered.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Be realistic, its going to take years for the consequences to be apparent.

It was put to the vote and the people have spoken.

Perhaps people should have been more vocal and passionate BEFORE the vote.

p.s...............seems the bookies were waaaaaaaaaaay off the mark...............i wonder why ?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Hardly a 'clear cut' victory though. I reckon they should put it to another vote just because Its almost a 50/50 split. you cant decide the fate of the UK like that.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

you cant do it again because you dont like the result.


You can ask for a recount and thats it.



A 4 % majority is what it is..........a majority.

 

[Caring1]

I don't really call 48/52 democracy. Precisely half the country deciding what the whole of the country is going to do.

I think your math needs some work.

 

[RCoon]

I think your math needs some work.

Close enough IMO

 

[the54thvoid]

There's a great snap I wish I had taken of the shares and values plummeting but after Carney spoke they immediately starting climbing. Shares and monetary values are no longer constructs of wealth. Wealth is made on speculation and people gambling on that speculation - it's a farce. We're led to believe that these things matter but they don't. Despite government boasts of a strong economy) prior to this result) and a healthy NHS and this, that and the other, I haven't seen things getting better.
Zero hour contracts (hell even our local authority Trust uses them) make employment seem better than it is. Fudged NHS stats are used to obfuscate the truth and the economy is based on nothing more than a strong pat on the back from the IMF for being austere. An IMF that effectively loans to banks to keep banks wealthy. Fuck it all.

None of us are free. The economy is effectively based on gambling and our democracy is nothing more than a short straw poll between two sides. Since the dawn of time we have been governed by the elite and we have been misled by the elite. That's our democracy - the right to believe we are free. I'm not an anarchist (and in a technologically advanced society, it woulds actually be easier to do) but democracy is over rated and leads to huge disconnect.

Our forefathers didn't fight in wars to give us the freedom to vote or the right to be free. We fought the last two great wars in Europe (1) due to political alliances for WW1 - a war Germany didn't want to actually fight in but had to due to their alliances, and (2) WW2 was again about alliances. Not freedom. Germany had no intention of invading UK - Hitler liked the English aristocracy and it's way of life. We had to fight WW2 because of politics. We sat back long enough while he rolled around Europe. Sorry Poland.

During Cameron and Osbornes reign I've had my staff hours cut by 33% due to 'austerity' and still expected to work the same service. The scare tactics of leaving the EU shouldn't make people cringe in fear. We've been subjected to IMF backed and EU sanctioned austerity that has crippled so much of our population. Now at least our politicians can't hide behind the whole, we had to do this because of the EU excuse. We will hold our own politicians to their word and not fear reprisal from a 'foreign' court.

What would be worse is allowing Turkey under Erdogan into Europe. There you have a wolf in western clothing, undoing all that Ataturk did to form a moderate secular Muslim country. A man who says it is un-Islamic for a woman to work. A man who is trying so hard to stoke sectarian (kurdish) violence to promote his own position as 'emperor' of Turkey. A man who can ask a German court to imprison a comedian for insulting him. A man who had a national newspaper stormed and it's political stance reversed (in fact it's now a state puppet) because it published articles against Erdogan. But because he can stop immigrants he is being given more and more license to do as he pleases.

No, leaving Europe will be fine. Europe itself is probably shitting itself more than Britain is right now. The EU needed (our money) us.

 

[dorsetknob]

I don't really call 48/52 democracy.

as i know Democracy its following the will of the majority
17,410,742 (51.9%) voted to leave
16,141,241 ( 48.1%) voted to Remain

you cant do it again because you dont like the result.

The EU did with the last Irish referendum( TWICE) till the Irish voted the way the ~EU approved

 

[the54thvoid]

Just to confirm the horrendous nature of how money works, from BBC News article:

Before the results started to come in, the pound had risen as high as $1.50, as traders bet on a Remain victory.

Smug, sociopathic arseholes.