X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[dalekdukesboy]

So i found out one of the reasons why my PC was possibly hating life with all dimm slots populated.... It turns out that not all of my ram kits were identical -- They are the same speed & capacity but the timings are slightly different according to their data sheets. Could of been a different batch with different IC's

Kingston KHX24C11T3K2/8X
Kingston HX324C11T3K2/8

Yep, my ram at one point was mish mosh and 2 kits and I can tell you I was able to do it on this platform, but it didn't work well or fast...definitely one kit will limit the other etc.

I'll see into it thanks.

Yeah cooling of vrms could be better, but I think it's okay. I have two 140mm blowing directly on board and gpu and the cpu cooler helps a bit too. Basically I couldve done 5ghz and more with that nice chip but my cpu cooler was too weak for it. temps too high, shut off/restart, safety kicked in.

BTW I'm using offset voltage, nvm my wrong wording.

Yeah, I always was and am a big fan of VRM cooling with this platform and even back to my good old nvidia sli 680 with dual core 8600 core 2 duo. I just remembered that mobo had active cooling on vrm and chipsets and I also had a tpower i45 mobo which was king of fsb overclocking and again...it had multiple fans on chipset/vrm etc and I got the fsb well over 600 which was very high for that platform...I think I booted with 700 fsb but it wasn't stable, anyway I digress lol. Good old days so to speak I still have those mobo's/cpus in my spare room. I gave the tpower to my stepsons and eventually it stopped booting so not sure what part of it is bricked, cpu/mobo/etc... by the time they gave it back to me it wasn't new enough technology to even bother with, but I may switch out a few components from the 680 sli just to see if it's a problem other than the board, just for shits and giggles.

I have some news too:

I had to increase voltage all the way up from 1.31 to 1.36vcore because I had dark screens in GTA online suddenly (black screen of sudden death). Seems something degraded I don't know. Well cpu was bought used and it seems after a few months usage it's not able to do it with 1.31v and oc at 4.5ghz anymore. If any of you guys have pro tips how to increase oc stability I'd be thankful - I didn't tweak those complex settings just did ultra simple oc with multiplier and manual voltage.

Yeah, I was always leery of that 1.31 volts being enough for 4.5 ghz...maybe it was, but it definitely was bare minimum and possibly it's degradation but it also also could be other reason/s that it suddenly went unstable enough to blackscreen. However as much as I think 1.31 simply isn't enough, did you try 1.33 volts as a happy medium and see how it handles that? Ironically that's what my cpu is happy with at 4.5 ghz. Also I never have used the "offset" voltages like you guys do so I can't comment on that vs. the static use the way I alwyas use it...Also I have the vdroop set to very high so you may get away with less voltage if you can set your vdroop higher? Also Kanan I know you said you didn't get too far into the smaller settings but that could be where most if not all your problem lies. I can tell you it can make all the difference. Not sure if that is what your system needs but definitely worth considering.

 

[Kanan]

Yep, my ram at one point was mish mosh and 2 kits and I can tell you I was able to do it on this platform, but it didn't work well or fast...definitely one kit will limit the other etc.



Yeah, I always was and am a big fan of VRM cooling with this platform and even back to my good old nvidia sli 680 with dual core 8600 core 2 duo. I just remembered that mobo had active cooling on vrm and chipsets and I also had a tpower i45 mobo which was king of fsb overclocking and again...it had multiple fans on chipset/vrm etc and I got the fsb well over 600 which was very high for that platform...I think I booted with 700 fsb but it wasn't stable, anyway I digress lol. Good old days so to speak I still have those mobo's/cpus in my spare room. I gave the tpower to my stepsons and eventually it stopped booting so not sure what part of it is bricked, cpu/mobo/etc... by the time they gave it back to me it wasn't new enough technology to even bother with, but I may switch out a few components from the 680 sli just to see if it's a problem other than the board, just for shits and giggles.



Yeah, I was always leery of that 1.31 volts being enough for 4.5 ghz...maybe it was, but it definitely was bare minimum and possibly it's degradation but it also also could be other reason/s that it suddenly went unstable enough to blackscreen. However as much as I think 1.31 simply isn't enough, did you try 1.33 volts as a happy medium and see how it handles that? Ironically that's what my cpu is happy with at 4.5 ghz. Also I never have used the "offset" voltages like you guys do so I can't comment on that vs. the static use the way I alwyas use it...Also I have the vdroop set to very high so you may get away with less voltage if you can set your vdroop higher? Also Kanan I know you said you didn't get too far into the smaller settings but that could be where most if not all your problem lies. I can tell you it can make all the difference. Not sure if that is what your system needs but definitely worth considering.

I'll look into it thanks ! no I tried everything from 1.31 upwards only 1.36 happened to be stable for GTA online. that game is very demanding... I think it was okay with 1.35 too but I verified with prime later and had another black screen so I went up another notch and then it was stable. if that vdroop setting helps though I'll give another shot at undervolting it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'll look into it thanks ! no I tried everything from 1.31 upwards only 1.36 happened to be stable for GTA online. that game is very demanding... I think it was okay with 1.35 too but I verified with prime later and had another black screen so I went up another notch and then it was stable. if that vdroop setting helps though I'll give another shot at undervolting it.

Wow, that just seems odd it would jump that far...that's a BIG difference in voltage really which is why I suggested the medium point as being fine if 1.31 appeared to be stable or at least seemed it. Yes vdroop is huge! Because if you have it set to droop the voltages drop significantly under what you have it set for...like that 1.31 if you have it on lowest vdroop setting under a stressful game like GTA etc it probably is at about 1.29 or so while under the most stress, maybe even droops farther. On my board I have had it set to high or very/ultra high and one allows it to just barely droop (essentially gives it voltage you set it for while under load) whereas the ultra/very gives the cpu a slight boost to voltage over what my actual setting is. So yeah, again no idea about the "offset" for I never tried that but at least with my settings vdroop is massively important depending on how you set it to behave. Also again if you can list the vrm settings you are using I may be able to help you based on mine. But yeah, seems odd it would suddenly need such a big jump suddenly...have you been playing that game for a while with it at 1.31 volts? Or have you only been playing game short time?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I also had a tpower i45 mobo which was king of fsb overclocking and again...it had multiple fans on chipset/vrm etc and I got the fsb well over 600 which was very high for that platform...I think I booted with 700 fsb but it wasn't stable.

I had one of these for a Q9550 build. board wouldnt go past 370 or 460FSB and the one time i did the board never posted again and i had to RMA -- I sold the returned board to Kovet who used to be an active member on these forums many many moons ago. Im not sure how well he did with but i think he said it did alright

 

[Kanan]

Wow, that just seems odd it would jump that far...that's a BIG difference in voltage really which is why I suggested the medium point as being fine if 1.31 appeared to be stable or at least seemed it. Yes vdroop is huge! Because if you have it set to droop the voltages drop significantly under what you have it set for...like that 1.31 if you have it on lowest vdroop setting under a stressful game like GTA etc it probably is at about 1.29 or so while under the most stress, maybe even droops farther. On my board I have had it set to high or very/ultra high and one allows it to just barely droop (essentially gives it voltage you set it for while under load) whereas the ultra/very gives the cpu a slight boost to voltage over what my actual setting is. So yeah, again no idea about the "offset" for I never tried that but at least with my settings vdroop is massively important depending on how you set it to behave. Also again if you can list the vrm settings you are using I may be able to help you based on mine. But yeah, seems odd it would suddenly need such a big jump suddenly...have you been playing that game for a while with it at 1.31 volts? Or have you only been playing game short time?

You bet it is odd. I'll try the vdroop thing and report back. Yeah I was playing and doing a lot with 1.31 Vcore, game was stable but first of all even Prime was stable with it (blend). That's why I tend to see it as a degradation of some kind - could be CPU, could be motherboard, or both.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah, as odd as my system is (by the way as an aside it's doing that bullshit where it throws a code 00 on first start and has to reset then boots fine on every start, yet if you reset it boots fine go figure) so yeah x79 has been quite a handful to me admittedly from broken hardware to just weird behavior with memory and with booting in general. However it just makes no sense that you even passed prime and daily tasks/gaming etc and now it just throws a fit unless you throw .05 more volts at it...that is almost as weird as my 00 reboot bug that literally came, went, and came back lol...I mean how does that happen? Anyway I hope you get it stable and as I said perhaps there are some settings other than vcore that were borderline and something changed so now they aren't stable...I don't know, just throwing it out there.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I had one of these for a Q9550 build. board wouldnt go past 370 or 460FSB and the one time i did the board never posted again and i had to RMA -- I sold the returned board to Kovet who used to be an active member on these forums many many moons ago. Im not sure how well he did with but i think he said it did alright

Huh, that's odd mine served me for a couple years I think without fail and no idea what the kids did (maybe nothing) but now it lights up but won't boot. But I ran ddr2 at 1200 mhz + on it and had the FSB well into the 600+ territory at the time it was a blast! But that is with a dual core I wouldn't expect the quad core to do as well, but still surprised yours was such a dud from the start.

 

[Ithanul]

Finally working a bit on the X79 system I have. First off it needs some cleaning and a case going to get some cutting done to its insides.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Finally working a bit on the X79 system I have. First off it needs some cleaning and a case going to get some cutting done to its insides.

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your dog doesnt look too happy that its being neglected so you can fill something big n black with some other stuffs....


On a side note -- Antec spot cool is in got it installed and blowing over the VRMs. Cranked the clocks back to 4.6Ghz, All thats left is to jump into a few games and see if that was what the problem was.

 

[Ithanul]

your dog doesnt look too happy that its being neglected so you can fill something big n black with some other stuffs....


On a side note -- Antec spot cool is in got it installed and blowing over the VRMs. Cranked the clocks back to 4.6Ghz, All thats left is to jump into a few games and see if that was what the problem was.

That ain't my dog, that is my Mom's dog.

Finally got the motherboard in.

Now to wait for the thermal pads to show up, so I can put the motherboard blocks on.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

What CPU you be running?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Nice, glad to see some activity here and at home with your Pc's....hopefully a great new build and I hope that vrm fan makes all the difference, I can say it will help long as enough cooling is provided to the board.

 

[Ithanul]

What CPU you be running?

I have a 3930K that I got along with this board that I bought used.

Hope to get this up and the X99 up as well before the end of the year is out. Kind of tricky at the moment since I'm doing three college classes that eat up a good chunk of my time during the week, plus dividing up time between three projects: my new build for the folder/boinc, drawing art cards for prizes over on another forum board, and crocheting myself a nice fluffy winter blanket.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Wow, x79 and x99 lucky you...and going to college? How'd you get all those toys lol. I am eyeballing a rampage 10 that is an open box but new but despite it being a beast of a board am wondering if by the time I get cpu etc for it x99 may be history lol.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I have a 3930K that I got along with this board that I bought used.

Hope to get this up and the X99 up as well before the end of the year is out. Kind of tricky at the moment since I'm doing three college classes that eat up a good chunk of my time during the week, plus dividing up time between three projects: my new build for the folder/boinc, drawing art cards for prizes over on another forum board, and crocheting myself a nice fluffy winter blanket.

Id like to see what sort of speeds you get out of that 3930k when you watercool it

 

[Ithanul]

Wow, x79 and x99 lucky you...and going to college? How'd you get all those toys lol. I am eyeballing a rampage 10 that is an open box but new but despite it being a beast of a board am wondering if by the time I get cpu etc for it x99 may be history lol.

I lurk over three forum boards, craigslist, and ebay. All the hardware I have is bought used.

Depending on X99 board, some can run Xeons on them. I actually have two X99 boards, one ITX and one ATX.

Considering I have over 10 CPUs on hand at the moment (I have bad habit of hoarding hardware).

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Wow, 10 cpus? I have several, but most are core 2 duos and relatively worthless leftovers from old builds, I'm assuming you have several which are fairly current just from the list of hardware you have that you have mentioned...I'm envious...My hesitation for x99 is I'm not sure what the roadmap for intel looks like and I hate to buy a few components and in a year when I finally can afford the cpu (currently up to 1800 bucks!) like the 10 core newest x99 and find out the x99 is being replaced and not compatible with the newest platform which will render x99 irrelevant and is 10x faster. I know, unlikely to be that much better but at times big leaps are made when a totally new cpu is created with totally new instruction sets. Anyway very tempting for me to get that rampage special edition board which is top of the top and great foundation for a future build.

 

[Ithanul]

Wow, 10 cpus? I have several, but most are core 2 duos and relatively worthless leftovers from old builds, I'm assuming you have several which are fairly current just from the list of hardware you have that you have mentioned...I'm envious...My hesitation for x99 is I'm not sure what the roadmap for intel looks like and I hate to buy a few components and in a year when I finally can afford the cpu (currently up to 1800 bucks!) like the 10 core newest x99 and find out the x99 is being replaced and not compatible with the newest platform which will render x99 irrelevant and is 10x faster. I know, unlikely to be that much better but at times big leaps are made when a totally new cpu is created with totally new instruction sets. Anyway very tempting for me to get that rampage special edition board which is top of the top and great foundation for a future build.

That can always happen with tech, but right now silicon advancements are slowing down unless they manage some miraculous leap. I tend to like hardware no matter if a piece is a few gens behind. I have a old 1090T in my current folder/boinc, my main rig has a 4770K delidded, and four old Xeons in some IBM servers(seriously old ones, DDR2 is required for them).

My Uncle beats me though on old hardware, he still uses a computer that has like 512MB DDR RAM with a super old Intel in it. I actually manage to load Ubuntu on it for giggles. Peeps around here pretty much run computers until they die. Reason I still see machines running Windows 98, XP, Vista, etc.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Ah, I have seen a few things but haven't really spent the time or followed trends so I was partially asking if you or anyone following this thread had heard anything about x99 and what its' lifespan was and if Intel has anything even in a preliminary position to replace it. From what I have seen, for the unforeseeable future it seems x99 is going to be around for a while...but I could have missed something, hence my question.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Well I think this motherboard might be on its way out.... Some of the USB 3.0 ports on the back arent working anymore but power is still being passed through it so i can still charge my phones etc etc. Its really strange. But whatever I plug into those ports. Nothing comes on screen. Ive tried different USB sticks and peripherals but it does nothing.
Ive checked the bios to make sure all the USB controllers are turned on. but Its still not working.


Strange...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

My camera will and phone will NOT work through usb ports on mobo or on the tower I have so it may be windows issue and/or something else. My ports will charge and hook up etc and show the devices, but camera driver fails and shows it tried to load but won't work. However for everything else they do work so my issue is more a driver/windows thing (they used to work with camera) and yours sounds like the ports themselves are just dead...Could be having issues with your mobo and might be similar issue with Kanan with his issue with voltages needing to be markedly higher suddenly...I don't think a cpu changes/degrades so quickly in his case especially with relatively low voltage so that would point to the motherboard or other peripherals perhaps as more likely culprits. I myself have at least one dead pcie slot on this board from my short issue caused by a metal clip and my old board before it totally stopped working due to pin damage the onboard sound just quit one day. So boards have so many connections and electrical currents through them simply by sheer volume of mechanical items on the board there is a high chance of something failing especially after years of use and overclocking to boot.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Actually it won't charge anything . Theres the initial power once you plug something in but then it dies. Bit of an inconvenience as my external drives are as plugged back there

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Huh, yeah sounds like something goofy but if it tries to initiate the port it isn't totally dead but sounds like something may have burned out and maybe it just can't get enough power to work properly, just a common sense guess but you never know it could be a simple driver problem or corrupt data that doesn't allow the port to work when you plug it in? Just a couple of my novice thoughts.

 

[Ithanul]

Ah, I have seen a few things but haven't really spent the time or followed trends so I was partially asking if you or anyone following this thread had heard anything about x99 and what its' lifespan was and if Intel has anything even in a preliminary position to replace it. From what I have seen, for the unforeseeable future it seems x99 is going to be around for a while...but I could have missed something, hence my question.

Intel tends to go two generations it seems on the high end platforms. By my understanding the Broadwell-Es will work on the X99 boards with a BIOS update. I have not seen anything so far about the Kaby Lake-Es.

I basically been keeping an eye on AMD's Zen. If they hit the price range right and the chips are good multi cores, I can see myself nabbing one to replace my aging 1090T.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Intel tends to go two generations it seems on the high end platforms. By my understanding the Broadwell-Es will work on the X99 boards with a BIOS update. I have not seen anything so far about the Kaby Lake-Es.

I basically been keeping an eye on AMD's Zen. If they hit the price range right and the chips are good multi cores, I can see myself nabbing one to replace my aging 1090T.

Yeah I know, tick-tock. I've been watching actively since pentium iv (which I owned) then later I owned AMD fx-55 etc,. I just am leery of buying a high end platform that is on its' way out...kinda like my x79 which even has same pin count as x99 but they made it non compatible and ddr4 etc. And yes Broadwell e is for x99 but that's the tock, of the tick-tock cycle so even though I haven't seen evidence of new motherboard platform it seems it should be the rational next step by how they operate.