X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah, unfortunately I have the link and such but the pictures of his results don't show I just see text of him describing 2570 was tops for him...which I think is like 107-8 fsb which is extremely high to push these cpus. The issue is so much is linked to it you're not just pushing the memory or even a couple things, it's the Pci-e and the speed of many other things tied in with the so called FSB on this platform. That is why it's hard to get much out of it unlike in old days you could do almost your whole overclock just doubling the FSB and much more adjustment available. I'm mostly frustrated because there is no way to get between 2500 and 2666 mhz other than fsb adjustments. Very frustrating because despite having several straps to pick from for speed....they ALL give 2666 mhz as a speed and only under that do you get 2333 mhz and varying frequencies with the memory along with 100 vs 133 vs 166 strap etc. I'm not sure why they "fixed" the 2666 speed and all others vary depending on strap. Other than some platform constraint it could be simply they assumed 2400 mhz was tops (if that) and everything above that didn't need to be addressed only slower speed increments to help people hit certain frequencies if their CPU refused to do 2400 mhz for example. I have played with 133 strap but unlike a few others' who have posted who claim that helps their oc'ing for me it hurts it. ONLY strap (so far) that allows me to get very far with overclocking the memory and FSB is 100. If any of you have different experiences and would like to share how straps affected your OC's would love to hear it. I'm a relative noob to dealing with the straps because till recently I only tried a couple times and left it alone after most failing results.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Oh, and other than I managed CAS 9 no news. I did find a few frequencies people have mentioned in fine tuning the pc in the bios which may or may not help me though. There is a pci-e skew value which some report makes difference in overclocking for example. So there may be more I need to do to get best OC or maybe not, but I'll have to look into those adjustments further and hopefully figure out how to use them. Also this is latest result CAS 9 didn't need the 1.7 volts to memory I had used in first result thankfully so you could almost use this 24/7

 

[Kanan]

I see a lot of people using strap for overclocking but that is more cpu overclocking not ram. Also I don't see much sense in it for me personally because multiplier is unlocked.

BTW. Maybe he did a overclock of his ram to 2570 with a combination of strap and fsb increase (only +4 max). A odd mix perhaps.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

BTW. Maybe he did a overclock of his ram to 2570 with a combination of strap and fsb increase (only +4 max). A odd mix perhaps.[/QUOTE]

This is why I asked. I'm not sure how you can do that, but wondering exactly that if I'm missing something you can do with the straps to get such a combination without going beyond +4 fsb. So far I'm not seeing it so hence why I asked in case I'm just not seeing it. However when I played around with it no matter what I did the strap only puts the memory further below 2400 mhz not above it...

 

[Kanan]

Maybe ask him? I guess this is the easiest way.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thread was dead couple years ago but I could try to IM him I suppose.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Wasn't able to get around to Im'ing that guy but I will just for hoo haws and with luck he's still alive and even checks email from that site lol. Anyway I've had annoying times where I have tried to run burntest and failed stability after one run. I couldn't figure out why it happened every so often but thankfully I kept many screenshots of my results and I was able to lower most vcca, dram and other voltage values while RAISING the one value that seems to make all the difference...CPU PLL voltage. So just a heads up for all of you (all 1-2 of you) reading this thread and who want to post results or have same'ish system and have problems like I do when you change voltages and they all matter, but you miss the most important one not realizing it was almost the value that made all the difference... check out the voltages here...

note the flip/flop of the vtt voltage of 1.35 and PLL 2.0 in 2nd one versus vtt 1.28 and PLL 2.025 in 2nd one. Also note the CAS 9 timings got exactly the same or less GFLOPS, so I think raising PLL is better way to stability then the ridiculously high VTT and DRAM voltage I had in first example.

 

[Kanan]

Lga2011 overclocking is complicated as shit but that way you have at least some fun to do. I read some time pll is important just came to my mind when you wrote about it. Since I do only simple overclocks im glad that works too. No fiddling with any complicated settings and good increases.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah, it is complex in that there are so many variables you can "forget" about one as you change the other 10 and suddenly your stable OC is complete crap unstable and you have no idea why. Also, using the turbo v evo Asus tool to change voltages in windows is handy, but I do notice I do that and even if I set everything back to formerly stable settings it can suddenly not pass; so I think it isn't as stable or reliable as changing it in the bios. It appears to work and shows the values change and software shows the changes accordingly but it does appear to somehow screw with the stability of windows perhaps.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I tried to get the CAS 9 stable again and got blue screens etc. So now it makes sense why at CAS 9 even when it tested "stable" the results were same or lower than lower timings like CAS 10 etc, something in the system was throttling or borderline stable so it limped through a test or two but results were weak and at least tonight not even repeatable. The good= I have really honed in and seen what the limits of this system is... the bad= I am at the limits and other than monkeying with other secondary timings etc not a whole lot more I could do to improve results within stability.

 

[Kanan]

Well cl 10 is very good too it's still a achievement.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thanks! Yeah, right now I've got CL 0 because it's flaking out on me lol. So something is different since I managed to get that last run which was just earlier today or yesterday...So yeah, simply speaks to the complexity of the platform and also how finicky it is particularly with memory. When I in a better financial situation I'll probably just invest in a brand new/used ivy bridge processor or a really good clocking sandy bridge retail and I can get bios updated and with luck I'll get a sample with a good memory controller. For now neither of those are happening so I just have to figure out what is causing the issue and get it stable so I can use this thing and enjoy it not wonder when the next freeze or blue screen occurs.

 

[Kanan]

hehe, aww that poor SB-E 6 core ES, "he" deserves to be used. I wouldn't replace it. But if you're that curious I would take a i7 4930K or 4960X then, I don't think SB-E is worth it to replace another SB-E just because of bios and maybe better lottery. I wouldn't even replace it with Ivy-E.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Well I have a 3930k sitting here, it works it came with this motherboard I got them together. However the fact that there is some weird randomness to my issues at times as well as one other little caveat....the Asus software suite I spoke of earlier and is in every screenshot I take has been giving me warnings that my 12v rail is low or 3.3 is etc. I dismissed it as bad readings or issues with software but the other possibility here is the power supply is weak. Trust me I love my little ES the memory controller on it is quite good but I'm not so wedded to it I'd keep it if it was failing. Funny enough...as I am typing this I see the little warning box 3.3 volt line is 0.0 volts lol. That's why I dismiss it because it's not really possible, if anything went down to even close to 0 on voltage system would shut off/bluescreen etc. Anyway, I'll play around with settings see if it's just something I got set a bit "off". I would only replace it with just a cpu because that's a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than getting new mobo/memory/cpu etc. Anyway I'll figure it out one way or another.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Well, another case of resetting a voltage and not even remembering or noticing it in the screenshots....I just so happened to notice reviewing the successful runs the pch 1.1 voltage rail I had slightly overvolted to either 1.125 or in most of the runs it was 1.15....So yeah the main chipset wasn't getting enough juice I guess I was having a hard time even getting quick 1 gigabyte runs stable and all the other things I was saying were odd so I think the software is just a little goofy on those rail voltage readings but it did actually make me think to look at the pch voltage.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Just curious... Does anyone with an X79 have all their Ram slots filled? Im wondering if this may be the reason why I havent been able to keep my OC stable for a while

 

[Kanan]

Just curious... Does anyone with an X79 have all their Ram slots filled? Im wondering if this may be the reason why I havent been able to keep my OC stable for a while

Me no. But I heard a few times that more Ram in X79 (and generally) = more instability when OC'ing. The extreme overclockers go for 2 or even just 1 Ram.

 

[cdawall]

Me no. But I heard a few times that more Ram in X79 (and generally) = more instability when OC'ing. The extreme overclockers go for 2 or even just 1 Ram.

That's all platforms. More memory controller load means lower clocks.

Just curious... Does anyone with an X79 have all their Ram slots filled? Im wondering if this may be the reason why I havent been able to keep my OC stable for a while

Yes, but my 3820K is only at 4.2

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yep, never an advantage to higher density memory and/or more sticks of memory...any combination of those two things limits your memory overclock, period. When I had 2 sticks of 2 gig memory in this in dual channel it was very easy to do whatever I want, now I have 4 sticks of 4 gig memory and despite it being very good ram the platform as a whole will fight you and destabilize much quicker with more slots filled/high density individual RAM. I'd love to just have 2 sticks but for whatever use it is I got 4 slots filled just to have quad channel memory...not sure it hardly makes any difference but seems silly not to get as much as I can out of my memory.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Well this is a last ditch attempt to regain some OC back before eventually deciding to upgrade. ive got 32GB 4x8GB DDR3 sticks on the way instead of running my 8x4GB sticks. Ive lost 400mhz OC off my CPU because of this i think. If it doesnt solve the problem then I may as well sell off and go for a newer i7 setup with less cores (I never really needed all 6 cores anyway xp)

Still not 100% certain if its CPU degradation from the voltage, but i dont think im running high volts. Im runnning 1.38v and temps have never gone above 70'c for gaming with my H105

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Wow, that's a ton of memory. I can guarantee your OC will suffer to some degree with that. Those are relatively low voltages so you're not abusing the cpu very much with that, many people pump 1.4+ regularly through these processors and 1.5'ish for 5.0 ghz feats sometimes even repeatedly. I'd honestly have gotten 4x4 gigs of memory unless you use huge amount of memory hogging programs...but hopefully higher density sticks will be less hampering than filling every slot, I guess you'll find out should be interesting.

 

[Kanan]

Well this is a last ditch attempt to regain some OC back before eventually deciding to upgrade. ive got 32GB 4x8GB DDR3 sticks on the way instead of running my 8x4GB sticks. Ive lost 400mhz OC off my CPU because of this i think. If it doesnt solve the problem then I may as well sell off and go for a newer i7 setup with less cores (I never really needed all 6 cores anyway xp)

Still not 100% certain if its CPU degradation from the voltage, but i dont think im running high volts. Im runnning 1.38v and temps have never gone above 70'c for gaming with my H105

Not CPU degradation with that voltage, no - but most certainly mainboard/vrm degradation. Not the first time I see it and not the last. Overclocking stresses mainboards very much and they degrade faster - never forget this. And this is extra true on a 6 Core+ gaming machine. That's why I run my CPU undervolted - I want as short of stress on the hardware as possible while enjoying the benefits of a 6 core semi highend machine. The last platform I had was AM2+ with a Gigabyte semi highend board (790GX) and a Phenom II 940 clocked at 3.3 GHz 24/7. It was good for almost 6 years - I want that again with this platform (I bought it end of 2013) if it's fast enough for the job. So that's the "why".

 

[FreedomEclipse]

got the 4x8GB sticks in.... Ive bumped the clocks back up to 4.5Ghz, now its just waiting and seeing if crashes still occur


::EDIT::

Cross your fingers -- I really hope im able to get another year out of this 3930k

 

[dalekdukesboy]

might want to try a few passes of a stress program, that's the quickest way to see how stable you really are. They are overkill but it does give me peace of mind that if I can pass at least a few runs of burntest etc that I'm not going to be greeted by bluescreens or programs crashing and losing what I was working on.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Well, Havent stress tested yet as ive been working, but general usage alone my pc seems to function a lot smoother. all that ram used to make Chrome bork out and start freezing or responding very very slowly. games were laggy sometimes and now they are smoother. Ive played a few games like GW2 & KF2 without a problem. Ive had a load of stuff running in the background while I would be alt tabbing and switching in and out of games and I still havent got a BSOD yet. Normally that would happen after ive done it a fair few times but for the moment it seems pretty solid. Temps are back to the low idle instead of 50'c

I'll load up some BF4 later tonight for a few rounds and see if it crashes. I think I might even turn HT off at this stage next time i restart my PC as i dont really have use for it and want to see if it has affected my fps in any way.