EVGA GTX 1070/1080 Overheating Issues Update - New BIOS Revision To Be Released

[m1dg3t]

If this occurred with an AMD product the internetz would explode! The pitchforks would be out en masse!! Since it's an nVidia product, it's Ok.

Fucking pathetic. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.

 

[I No]

If this occurred with an AMD product the internetz would explode! The pitchforks would be out en masse!! Since it's an nVidia product, it's Ok.

Fucking pathetic. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.

Funny how people fail to grasp the situation.
A. It's EVGA's desgin since it's a custom PCB with CUSTOM cooling (which at this point isn't adequate for the VRMs)
B. Founders Edition cards (AKA nVidia products) are working as intended

But you were right with 1 part:
Fucking pathetic. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.

 

[deu]

That's nonsense. The card will work fine in 99.9% of games and apps people use them for. If you run Furmark, your causing a load that's unreal and will never be archieved by whatsoever benchmark or game.

Furmark is taxing VRM's up to 20 to 40% more then a game would ever do. They engineered that card for games and such.

If i was'nt mistaken, the card was tested with furmark going for 1.5 hours long? Thats crazy.

100% agree but I would test the card as a developer to make sure it would not become an issue (like it is now) Make sure your product cant be exposed. To me this is embarrassing to EVGA at most but as people write; I wouldnt be worried if I owned the card.

 

[Nelly]

Maybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?

 

[cdawall]

Can we stop parroting this nonsense about furmark being the problem here.

No computer component should ever fail simply from being 100% utilized.
Its like saying your car can go up to 100mph but at that speed the brakes fail, but its ok because the speed limit on roads is 75mph so going 100mph is unreasonable.

That is a garbage argument. First off most vehicles cannot maintain their top speeds for extended periods of time, second off the VRM's are in no way comparable to the brakes. The cooling systems of the vast majority of vehicles cannot handle the heat put out by the engine running at 100% load in a high gear for hours. Go take a brand new 5.0 mustang and tell me how long you can drive it at 150MPH before the engine starts to overheat. This is the exact same issue. The card can easily handle a 5 or 10 minute "blast" in furmark and could handle days at a typical gaming load, but it cannot handle running an unrealistic load for hours on end.

Maybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?

Have you actually had an issue with the card? Or did you read that there was an issue and now you "have the same problem"

 

[stiglet]

Yeah, the Founder's Editions never had their own problems regarding throttling issues or having unnecessary fan spin-ups. Nope, not at all. They were absolutely perfect in every single way...

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-fan-issues-fix/

The founders edition doesn't overheat or thermal throttle.

 

[cdawall]

The founders edition doesn't overheat or thermal throttle.

Correct nvidia's boost 3.0 wont allow it to, because it pulls clock speed. It cannot hold full boost speed in furmark, unlike the EVGA cards. Does that mean nvidia can't make a card or that EVGA is better?

 

[Nelly]

Have you actually had an issue with the card? Or did you read that there was an issue and now you "have the same problem"

Having installed the card and within hours reading the overheating issues, I've not even ran any benchmarks, no gaming whatsoever in the last two weeks or so, my card is old stock running Samsung memory, shipping date of July even though I bought towards the end of October. I did request the thermal pads, but no update as to when they are being sent.

I normally buy Gigabyte or MSI GPU's since 2004 when I bought the MSI ATI X800 XT P.E 256MB, having bought a EVGA 980 SC, I thought I would stick with EVGA with the 1070. Now I wish I had gone for the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X or the Gigabyte G1.

 

[cdawall]

Having installed the card and within hours reading the overheating issues, I've not even ran any benchmarks, no gaming whatsoever in the last two weeks or so, my card is old stock running Samsung memory, shipping date of July even though I bought towards the end of October. I did request the thermal pads, but no update as to when they are being sent.

I normally buy Gigabyte or MSI GPU's since 2004 when I bought the MSI ATI X800 XT P.E 256MB, having bought a EVGA 980 SC, I thought I would stick with EVGA with the 1070. Now I wish I had gone for the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X or the Gigabyte G1.

So you have had zero issues and refuse to even use the card because you read something online about it?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Maybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?

It wouldn't have helped, as I was keeping my eye out for the FTW review too; which never arrived on Guru even until this day.

 

[bug]

Maybe thermal testing can be implemented in future TechTowerUp reviews? I know it's costly, but still...

Having only bought an EVGA 1070 FTW a week before the news came out, I feel an absolute fool for not reading the Guru3D 1070/1080 reviews. The Toms Hardware results were in German and I don't think were published on their US/UK review sites?

On one hand, it serves you well for doing your research on Tom's Hardware (it seems it was ages ago when they were the only trustworthy source on the Internet).
On the other hand, if you don't plan on playing long hours of Furmark, you're fine. If you want to be extra safe, apply the BIOS patch.

 

[cdawall]

On one hand, it serves you well for doing your research on Tom's Hardware (it seems it was ages ago when they were the only trustworthy source on the Internet).
On the other hand, if you don't plan on playing long hours of Furmark, you're fine. If you want to be extra safe, apply the BIOS patch.

It seems tom's created this issue, no one plays furmark. I bet there would have been normal RMA numbers of these cards if Tom's hadn't ran a test that doesn't matter or make sense for that matter.

 

[Grings]

Evga left off thermal pads that were supposed to be there, and are now sending them out to people for free, end of

If a PC manufacturer was fitting a well lapped cpu cooler to a new processor with no tim and it didnt quite overheat doing day to day tasks would you all be defending them and denying the lack of tim to be a problem? or would that depend which cpu manufacturers cpu was in it?

 

[Nelly]

So you have had zero issues and refuse to even use the card because you read something online about it?

Yep, I don't really care how you want to swing it around, I'm not prepared to risk damaging the card. No one can even read the temps of the VRMs like you can with AMD cards, no reading comes up in GPU-Z to monitor it with Nvidia cards.

I guess I could just use it anyway, if it blows then covered by EVGA warranty.

EVGA have screwed up on this one, whichever way you look at it, just like they did with the 970 SC cards, by using previous generation coolers to save money on designing new ones. Months later EVGA released new 970 cards ended with new designed coolers - SSC and FTW+ versions.

It wouldn't have helped, as I was keeping my eye out for the FTW review too; which never arrived on Guru even until this day.

The SC version is on there, VRMs reach 96°C and all it's running is 3DMark Firestrike.

 

[cdawall]

Yep, I don't really care how you want to swing it around, I'm not prepared to risk damaging the card, No one can even read the temps of the VRMs like you can with AMD cards, no reading comes up in GPU-Z to monitor it with Nvidia cards.

I guess I could just use it anyway, if it blows then covered by EVGA warranty.

EVGA have screwed up on this one, whichever way you look at it, just like they did with the 970 SC cards, but using previous generation coolers. Months later with ended up with revised coolers SSC and FTW+ versions.

Turn the fan speed up? All the VRM section needs is airflow. You people are making mountains out of molehills.

Considering how many of these have been sold I have not seen a single EVGA 1070/1080 come into the shop with black screen issues.

 

[stiglet]

Correct nvidia's boost 3.0 wont allow it to, because it pulls clock speed. It cannot hold full boost speed in furmark, unlike the EVGA cards. Does that mean nvidia can't make a card or that EVGA is better?

Any GPU will pull back BOOST clock speed when temps get high, not proper clock speed. That's the important distinction. If factory clock speeds are effected, thats when you can say it's thermal throttling, not otherwise.

The reference cooler is designed to maintain the card at the factory set clock speeds, and if thermal and power limits allow, a little more as an added bonus (and will do so under any conditions e.g. close to zero case air flow). The EVGA cooler is designed to push everything to the limits, but requires the right conditions to do it. The reference is the safer option. The EVGA is the enthusiast option. If you go with the enthusiast option, you should expect things to not be peachy so easily.

All of the above has been the case with GPUs for a few years now, nothing has changed.

It is unfortunate that EVGA had these problems, but when you're tuning on the edge with a retail product, shit happens. I would be surprised if Nvidia's own reference cooler had these same overheating issues. An aftermarket manufacturer, not so much. It just so happens that this time around, it was EVGAs turn to make a mistake.

 

[Nelly]

Turn the fan speed up? All the VRM section needs is airflow. You people are making mountains out of molehills.

Considering how many of these have been sold I have not seen a single EVGA 1070/1080 come into the shop with black screen issues.

The black screening is an entirely different issue. As per an EVGA statement - it was caused by On Semiconductor (VRM IC Manufacturer) VRM IC's being out of spec, triggering the OCP (Over Current Protection) The percentage of the IC’s that were out of spec has been confirmed by On Semiconductor and is approximately 3% to 4%. Since then, EVGA and On Semiconductor have worked out the solution and RMA replacement action a couple months ago as we stated above. At this moment, all of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW’s have been corrected and all products in the field are working properly.

Then there was the issue with Micron memory not being fed enough voltage, all manufacturers released a new BIOS to rectify the problem and increase overclocking potential.

 

[cdawall]

Any GPU will pull back BOOST clock speed when temps get high, not proper clock speed. That's the important distinction. If factory clock speeds are effected, thats when you can say it's thermal throttling, not otherwise.

The reference cooler is designed to maintain the card at the factory set clock speeds, and if thermal and power limits allow, a little more as an added bonus (and will do so under any conditions e.g. close to zero case air flow). The EVGA cooler is designed to push everything to the limits, but requires the right conditions to do it. The reference is the safer option. The EVGA is the enthusiast option. If you go with the enthusiast option, you should expect things to not be peachy so easily.

All of the above has been the case with GPUs for a few years now, nothing has changed.

It is unfortunate that EVGA had these problems, but when you're tuning on the edge with a retail product, shit happens. I would be surprised if Nvidia's own reference cooler had these same overheating issues. An aftermarket manufacturer, not so much. It just so happens that this time around, it was EVGAs turn to make a mistake.

Go run Furmark for 2 hours on a FE card and let me know if it makes it without throttling. I would wager money it won't.

 

[ixi]

People have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.

 

[cdawall]

People have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.

They aren't any worse than anyone else...

 

[yogurt_21]

glad to see this was a furmark thing because the first thought in my head was "it's like 170 watts, you're telling me they can't cool that?" and before you get into it keyboard warrior I'm well aware power draw is not heat, I also know that entropy means that 170 watts drawn cannot exceed 170 watts of heat.

 

[Batou1986]

Go take a brand new 5.0 mustang and tell me how long you can drive it at 150MPH before the engine starts to overheat

Forever because the car has proper cooling at any speed that it is capable of going.

Defend all you want but EVGA screwed the pooch on this one by once again using their reputation to sell crap that even MSI wouldn't.
My cpu wont die after 3 hrs of linpac an my ram wont die after 3 hrs of mem test nor will anything else in my computer die do to multi hour stress testing.

There is no excuse for this no other part of a PC will fail when utilized 100% for multiple hours.
Maybe EVGA should take note and run their cards through some actual stress testing to identify these issues before production, but why bother wasting money on that when customers will defend you no matter how you screw them.

They aren't any worse than anyone else...

Well aparently they are if your looking to buy GTX 10xx cards because no one else is having issues with vrm's catching fire .

 

[cdawall]

Forever because the car has proper cooling at any speed that it is capable of going.

WRONG. I love when non-car people make car analogies and haven't got a damn clue. Again go try it and report back. As a person who track races a mustang I can tell you the factory cooling can't even keep up with a damn 20 minute weekend warrior track day, but hey continue to argue things you don't know jack shit about.

Defend all you want but EVGA screwed the pooch on this one by once again using their reputation to sell crap that even MSI wouldn't.
My cpu wont die after 3 hrs of linpac an my ram wont die after 3 hrs of mem test nor will anything else in my computer die do to multi hour stress testing.

It will throttle, this is a multi fault issue. If it had a temp sensor on the VRM's the BIOS of the GPU could adjust fan speeds to compensate for it. EVGA didn't use low end parts (unlike MSI who has a weaker design than OEM), they just didn't plan for people to try and light their shit on fire after bypassing the safeties built into the driver to prevent people from "playing" furmark. Want to get angry at a company? Where is the pissed off group at powercolor for the RX480 red devil? That card is legitimately a fire hazard if you try to run furmark at all.

There is no excuse for this no other part of a PC will fail when utilized 100% for multiple hours.
Maybe EVGA should take note and run their cards through some actual stress testing to identify these issues before production, but why bother wasting money on that when customers will defend you no matter how you screw them.

Guess how many EVGA cards I own? Zero I am against people who claim to know everything and blacklist companies over ignorance.

Well aparently they are if your looking to buy GTX 10xx cards because no one else is having issues with vrm's catching fire .

Good on them. Maybe we should look into the history of every single company and see if anyone else has made mistakes? I have blown up 17 XFX 750A and GF8200 boards. I didn't blacklist XFX, it was also a known issue that didn't burn the company to the ground.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[EarthDog]

People have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.

WTF? EVGA a crap brand?

Man, Ive heard EVERYTHING... now I can die.

 

[Batou1986]

They aren't any worse than anyone else...

WRONG. I love when non-car people make car analogies and haven't got a damn clue. Again go try it and report back. As a person who track races a mustang I can tell you the factory cooling can't even keep up with a damn 20 minute weekend warrior track day, but hey continue to argue things you don't know jack shit about.



It will throttle, this is a multi fault issue. If it had a temp sensor on the VRM's the BIOS of the GPU could adjust fan speeds to compensate for it. EVGA didn't use low end parts (unlike MSI who has a weaker design than OEM), they just didn't plan for people to try and light their shit on fire after bypassing the safeties built into the driver to prevent people from "playing" furmark. Want to get angry at a company? Where is the pissed off group at powercolor for the RX480 red devil? That card is legitimately a fire hazard if you try to run furmark at all.



Guess how many EVGA cards I own? Zero I am against people who claim to know everything and blacklist companies over ignorance.




Good on them. Maybe we should look into the history of every single company and see if anyone else has made mistakes? I have blown up 17 XFX 750A and GF8200 boards. I didn't blacklist XFX, it was also a known issue that didn't burn the company to the ground.

Come on now lad you didn't say anything about a track you said a new 5.0 (gt350) going 150 mph which is bullshit anyway because they are limited to 135mph which they wont overheat at cruising down the highway.
But please tell me more about how crap modified track mustangs overheat going 150mph on a track so I can laugh some more.