AMD Ryzen Performance Review Leaked: Promising

[InVasMani]

I think everybody is expecting Athlon XP vs Pentium 3 performances again. Guess what? That will not happen ever again. The Intel's RND's budget alone can buy AMD as a whole company, relax.

Actually that's a rather realistic expectation Athlon XP vs P3 while A64 vs P4 is dreaming to assume and I think they met the former despite what any Intel fanfare might suggest otherwise. Also what makes you think people aren't relaxed it's alright to be excited to see AMD having a intriguing product around the corner. If your expecting Ryzen to be just another Bulldozer your gravely mistaken they actually got a greatly needed large die shrink as well as Jim Killer the mind behind A64 to help engineer and design Ryzen plus a far better CEO Lisa Su running the company with a bunch of it's debt out of the way to actually invest more in R&D than it could in the last several years. My point being AMD today is not the same company it's been the last 5-8 years it's better and more capable today than it was then cash strapped with a dodgy CEO after being screwed by Intel's monopoly behavior which it had to fight in court followed by a economic recession down turn. I'm not expecting anything I'm waiting and seeing before passing judgement, but based on what I have see I'm not put off by what AMD has to offer depending on price.

 

[Steevo]

Actually that's a rather realistic expectation Athlon XP vs P3 while A64 vs P4 is dreaming to assume and I think they met the former despite what any Intel fanfare might suggest otherwise. Also what makes you think people aren't relaxed it's alright to be excited to see AMD having a intriguing product around the corner. If your expecting Ryzen to be just another Bulldozer your gravely mistaken they actually got a greatly needed large die shrink as well as Jim Killer the mind behind A64 to help engineer and design Ryzen plus a far better CEO Lisa Su running the company with a bunch of it's debt out of the way to actually invest more in R&D than it could in the last several years. My point being AMD today is not the same company it's been the last 5-8 years it's better and more capable today than it was then cash strapped with a dodgy CEO after being screwed by Intel's monopoly behavior which it had to fight in court followed by a economic recession down turn. I'm not expecting anything I'm waiting and seeing before passing judgement, but based on what I have see I'm not put off by what AMD has to offer depending on price.

A lot of words for not a lot of substance.

Time will tell, and all else being equal in chips with Intel, AMD will have to price lower to remain competitive, and this goes for end users, builders, OEMS and retail.

AMD has fucked up in the past, and that is their biggest problem now. Come out honest, with a matching price/performance and don't fail to deliver on promises.

 

[InVasMani]

I think it was a jest, for those who think the RyZen 8c/16t is targeted at the same segment the 6700k is.

Still who's to say it isn't not all games are lightly threaded and DX12 is suppose to be more multi-thread capable and will end up superseding older DX version in due time. We still haven't even seen DX12 utilized to it's full potential as of yet. AMD is positioned well for it for both GPU and CPU which seems like a smart long term decision. So all of that said it's a matter of is it generally good enough currently as a hold over until DX12 becomes more common place? I suppose we also have to consider GPU's and system memory will only continue to improve both of which help minimum, average, and maximum frame rates in most cases more so with the GPU, but it's true for system memory as well particularly I think in CPU starved games. If you look at a i7 6700K how many users are using it at it's recommended 2133MHz system memory not too many including benchmark sites use those speeds the fact is we all love new hardware. The thing with a multi threaded CPU is it's performance gets exponentially quicker with more threading. I'd assume by the very nature of the design difference a between multi threaded CPU in a multi threaded program it benefits even greater from a better CPU/GPU than one with a lower core and thread count does. One thing fairly certain Ryzen should be more consistent with it's minimum frame rate in games even if it's not higher due to pure clock speed differences. In fact I don't care at all if the average or maximum frame rates on a 6700K is better I want to know what's better and more consistent at minimum frame rates in the games I play the rest does not really matter and is generally unimportant or less important. We definitely need more in depth analysis of Ryzen is my main point I guess.

 

[Prima.Vera]

By the time D3D12 becomes mainstream, Intel would already release the 9xxx series, with 6 cores replacing current 4 cores x770 for high mainstream CPU. AMD also has to deliver a ZEN 2 CPU to be competitive with that too.

 

[InVasMani]

A lot of words for not a lot of substance.

Time will tell, and all else being equal in chips with Intel, AMD will have to price lower to remain competitive, and this goes for end users, builders, OEMS and retail.

AMD has fucked up in the past, and that is their biggest problem now. Come out honest, with a matching price/performance and don't fail to deliver on promises.

That's true however Intel has fucked up also and that's why it's best to wait for reviews. If AMD can get back to Athlon/Athlon XP, or A64 competitiveness again where they provide real value compromises and advantages at a better price point I'd gladly return to purchasing their chips again. I think plenty of others would as well. It is what it is they either get us to buy their product or don't.

By the time D3D12 becomes mainstream, Intel would already release the 9xxx series, with 6 cores replacing current 4 cores x770 for high mainstream CPU. AMD also has to deliver a ZEN 2 CPU to be competitive with that too.

Not everyone has the money to buy a new CPU every time something new is introduced they might be ready to upgrade now. You make that sound more dire than it is too regardless of DX12 games being developed are going to be generally more multi thread capable and aware nor are they all heavily single thread CPU bound either. The whole subject could be rendered mute Ryzen could OC great and/or come clocked higher than expected.

Also who's to say AMD won't have new CPU's coming down the pike as well I mean it's not like they plan to sit around and do absolutely zero after Ryzen is released. If Ryzen is a success I don't expect AMD to sit still and twiddle their thumbs the way Intel acts like it's been doing every since C2D with very marginal improvements.

 

[R0H1T]

By the time D3D12 becomes mainstream, Intel would already release the 9xxx series, with 6 cores replacing current 4 cores x770 for high mainstream CPU. AMD also has to deliver a ZEN 2 CPU to be competitive with that too.

By the time Intel releases i7 97xx (cannonlake?) we'd still be getting ~5% IPC boosts & that's me being optimistic. Coffeelake (i7 87xx) will be just a tick & probably yield lesser IPC gains than Broadwell did wrt Haswell, not to forget Intel will still be wasting ~50% of the die on IGP.

So basically one would be wasting ~50% of his precious chip on a useless IGP, that's what I've heard gamers say, & still be getting less than 10% IPC over & above Skylake. Also DX12 will be adopted much faster, because of win10 & how quickly we've moved on from PS4/XBO to a Polaris based GPU powering the next gen of consoles.

P.S. Just to add to that, why do you think Intel never released a 57xxK for desktops? They simply couldn't get Broadwell to clock high enough for it to be a compelling upgrade option over the 4790K, that they made it look like a dud actually helped Skylake is another matter entirely.

Now with Kabylake being named as 7xxxK they're doing this mindshare game, just by renaming the chip they're making it look better than what it is i.e. just a respin of Skylake. But here's the catch, with 97xx they'll have to clock it at or above 4GHz & deliver ~15% IPC gains to make it a more compelling purchase than Kabylake, or get it to clock ~4.5GHz & deliver less than 10% IPC.

There's also this little step they'll have to take with 10nm shrink, we all know how 14nm turned out, & how that pans out remains to be seen. I'm pretty certain however that even if they fail to match Kabylake's base clock people will obviously point towards more cores, you know the opposite of what they're saying today

If I'd be Intel I would certainly be sweating right now because Zen being this good actually throws a spanner into their tried & tested formula of milking the consumers with no competition at bay.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Exactly, the 6700K has higher clock speeds. No need to get emotional about the speculation, I am definitely in the camp (see previous posts) of wanting this Ryzen thing to be a hit. I hope the leaks of this article are incorrect - I know I can't switch to a 8c16t processor if the gaming performance is 30% lower than a 6700K. I agree the product will likely overclock to comparable performance but we don't want that. This product needs to exceed the mainstream Intel offerings in gaming performance not just equal or be 30% less. Intel needs a whack with a baseball bat not a spit from 20 feet.

Yes, yes we do want overclocked and one of AMD new Zen features is auto overclocking which wasn't announced as working or tested here.
And could mitigate the issue here.

 

[InVasMani]

By the time Intel releases i7 97xx (cannonlake?) we'd still be getting ~5% IPC boosts & that's me being optimistic. Coffeelake (i7 87xx) will be just a tick & probably yield lesser IPC gains than Broadwell did wrt Haswell, not to forget Intel will still be wasting ~50% of the die on IGP.

So basically one would be wasting ~50% of his precious chip on a useless IGP, that's what I've heard gamers say, & still be getting less than 10% IPC over & above Skylake. Also DX12 will be adopted much faster, because of win10 & how quickly we've moved on from PS4/XBO to a Polaris based GPU powering the next gen of consoles.

You mean that IGP I disabled haven't used and won't use ever, but had to pay extra for anyway rather than a better quality heatspread and thermal interface? Thanks Intel you value your customers clearly by offer me less of what I desire for more of what I don't your failed GPU attempts don't bother you bad at it.

 

[EarthDog]

You mean that IGP I disabled haven't used and won't use ever, but had to pay extra for anyway rather than a better quality heatspread and thermal interface? Thanks Intel you value your customers clearly by offer me less of what I desire for more of what I don't your failed GPU attempts don't bother you bad at it.

Why wouldn't they focus on the majority of the market? We are in a minority friend! And its only getting smaller!!!!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10613...-grabs-market-share-but-nvidia-remains-on-top

If you didn't want an iGPU, come up to the HEDT platform and play with the big boys. Otherwise, you can meddle with the mainstream and complain. I think they value the majority of their customer base to include an iGPU.

 

[mastrdrver]

i7-6700k doesnt have higher ipc than i7-6900k but rather how badly games are coded makes that quad core chip faster in gaming scenario. If you look at any Cpu reviews you will notice this trend most games still tend to be single threaded and cannot benifit from more than 4 cores. Infact from purely gaming perspective having a higher clocked lower core count cpu(4 core cpus are a sweet spot) makes more sense than having a lower clocked higher core count cpu.

Yea sorry about that. Forgot those two last ones are from different gens.

My point was that, as someone else pointed out, "21% slower gaming performance at 23~27% slower clocks".

What's really good to see is the 1st and 3rd chart. This 8 core is mostly toward the server market. AMD is nipping at the heals of that 6900k which means even at half the price, like that one leak suggested, its going to destroy Intel especially with the slight power savings.

As you said though, I would like to see a 4 core version, but I think summer is going to be the earliest. I would think that AMD could hit similar clocks seeing at this 8 core sample is already hitting the same clocks as the 6900k (BW-E).

 

[Assimilator]

It's looking promising but I'm much more interested in the chipsets that will be accompanying Ryzen, as well as their features and performance.

 

[mastrdrver]

Forgot about this and I don't think any one has posted it: https://imgur.com/a/KOXPd

If you look through there, you'll see they tested the instruction latency and through put of Bristol Ridge, Raven Ridge, and Kaby Lake.

It's just a question of what is Intel going to do. If they sit on their hands for a year, like it looks, I think AMD is back in the game. Not Athlon back, but more like K6 back. I think there's too much Bulldozer effect for AMD to jump to Athlon level now, but time will tell.

 

[dorsetknob]

We will know its a worthy Chip when @Knoxx29 sells his Intel Stuff and he tells the world that he is buying one or more

 

[64K]

We will know its a worthy Chip when @Knoxx29 sells his Intel Stuff and he tells the world that he is buying one or more

I don't think he will ever go with anything but Intel and Nvidia but who knows. It could snow in hell one day I guess.

 

[prtskg]

Forgot about this and I don't think any one has posted it: https://imgur.com/a/KOXPd

If you look through there, you'll see they tested the instruction latency and through put of Bristol Ridge, Raven Ridge, and Kaby Lake.

It's just a question of what is Intel going to do. If they sit on their hands for a year, like it looks, I think AMD is back in the game. Not Athlon back, but more like K6 back. I think there's too much Bulldozer effect for AMD to jump to Athlon level now, but time will tell.

That's Summit Ridge, not Raven Ridge.

 

[efikkan]

Now with Kabylake being named as 7xxxK they're doing this mindshare game, just by renaming the chip they're making it look better than what it is i.e. just a respin of Skylake. But here's the catch, with 97xx they'll have to clock it at or above 4GHz & deliver ~15% IPC gains to make it a more compelling purchase than Kabylake, or get it to clock ~4.5GHz & deliver less than 10% IPC.

Cannonlake is only going to feature a node shrink and possibly minor features, there will be no architectural changes until Icelake(2018). Cannonlake is not going to be an "upgrade" to Kaby Lake owners, it's just a replacement.

We shouldn't expect too much of IPC improvements either, since both Haswell and Skylake is just minor improvements over Sandy-Bridge. Intel claims there are great IPC improvements, but that's counting special features like AES acceleration. Skylake is just barely faster than Sandy-Bridge, the IPC improvements in total since Sandy-Bridge is more like 6-15% in total. There is not going to be a major improvement until Intel increases the super-scalar abilities of their design.

 

[phanbuey]

Cannonlake is only going to feature a node shrink and possibly minor features, there will be no architectural changes until Icelake(2018). Cannonlake is not going to be an "upgrade" to Kaby Lake owners, it's just a replacement.

We shouldn't expect too much of IPC improvements either, since both Haswell and Skylake is just minor improvements over Sandy-Bridge. Intel claims there are great IPC improvements, but that's counting special features like AES acceleration. Skylake is just barely faster than Sandy-Bridge, the IPC improvements in total since Sandy-Bridge is more like 6-15% in total. There is not going to be a major improvement until Intel increases the super-scalar abilities of their design.

What you can expect is that they will move the goalposts for AMD and start offering a cheaper 1151 8-core 16 thread chip.

They are going to keep the clocks decently high too, seeing as AMD is competitive on the IPC front now; so while no IPC count, you will see core count increase, and this was in the plans anyway.

 

[Assimilator]

Cannonlake is only going to feature a node shrink and possibly minor features, there will be no architectural changes until Icelake(2018). Cannonlake is not going to be an "upgrade" to Kaby Lake owners, it's just a replacement.

We shouldn't expect too much of IPC improvements either, since both Haswell and Skylake is just minor improvements over Sandy-Bridge. Intel claims there are great IPC improvements, but that's counting special features like AES acceleration. Skylake is just barely faster than Sandy-Bridge, the IPC improvements in total since Sandy-Bridge is more like 6-15% in total. There is not going to be a major improvement until Intel increases the super-scalar abilities of their design.

Or introduces an entirely new design. The Sandy Bridge microarchitecture was launched in 2011; its predecessor Core was launched in 2006; Netburst was 2000. Granted, SNB was in development since 2005, but I think it's almost certain that Intel has a new microarchitecture (in development at least) - hopefully Ryzen will at least push them to release it.

 

[Joker2988]

all these are intel lies leaked to boost their sales further nothing more, Ryzen 8 core beats their best cpu in any game

 

[mastrdrver]

That's Summit Ridge, not Raven Ridge.

I've got to stop posting late at night.

 

[dorsetknob]

With this line below heralds the noted Birth of another idealist FanBoy

all these are intel lies leaked to boost their sales further nothing more, Ryzen 8 core beats their best cpu in any game

Time will Tell if your Right or Full of Bovine Reprocessed Grass

PS Welcome to TPU
Joker2988

 

[phanbuey]

all these are intel lies leaked to boost their sales further nothing more, Ryzen 8 core beats their best cpu in any game

Except when it gets spanked by a stock 6600k in games

 

[Melvis]

Except when it gets spanked by a stock 6600k in games

Link?

We all know that its pretty obvious that this new Zen CPU is going to be quick bla bla bla its going to be competitive yay for us the consumers. But what im really looking forward to is the APU's, small form factor PC's are on the rise and to have a little tiny beast that can play pretty much every game out there at medium to high settings and use not alot of power at 1080P now thats what I think will be exciting! Somewhere around i5 performance with a GPU of erm idk just under a RX 460? would be awesome.

 

[Nordic]

An 8 core chip doesn't have the thermal headroom to have higher clocks. Might AMD do a 4 core/4 thread cpu with higher clocks that still sits in the 95w TDP range?

 

[R0H1T]

Cannonlake is only going to feature a node shrink and possibly minor features, there will be no architectural changes until Icelake(2018). Cannonlake is not going to be an "upgrade" to Kaby Lake owners, it's just a replacement.

We shouldn't expect too much of IPC improvements either, since both Haswell and Skylake is just minor improvements over Sandy-Bridge. Intel claims there are great IPC improvements, but that's counting special features like AES acceleration. Skylake is just barely faster than Sandy-Bridge, the IPC improvements in total since Sandy-Bridge is more like 6-15% in total. There is not going to be a major improvement until Intel increases the super-scalar abilities of their design.

Thanks for correcting me but this just reinforces my point even further i.e. people don't need to upgrade say from a Skylake to 97xx on the basis of more IPC, which posters continually harp about, because they think ST performance is all that matters.

Or introduces an entirely new design. The Sandy Bridge microarchitecture was launched in 2011; its predecessor Core was launched in 2006; Netburst was 2000. Granted, SNB was in development since 2005, but I think it's almost certain that Intel has a new microarchitecture (in development at least) - hopefully Ryzen will at least push them to release it.

Sandybridge is core uarch, the last great change was from netburst to core about a decade ago & everything since that time is just a refinement of core, hence 7th gen core is what you see on kabylake. It's also extremely difficult to change uarches especially to replace something as good as core, the last time Intel tried it went the way of (t)Itanic. As for anything new in the pipeline I doubt they have much in the works right now, remember they'll have to usurp Skylake level of IPC & seeing how their endeavors on the mobile front have gone I'd argue Intel would be wise not to repeat their last two mistakes of the noughties.