Intel Core i7-7700K Delidded, Reapplied TIM Reduces Temps By 30C

[trt740]

I will say that a 7700k, like I had, with a default Intel cooler and the auto voltage setting under extreme load would fail and shut down. It would overheat . However, any chance that you could ever get enough load in regular use is very unlikely. Plus it would throttle. These are very hot chips for sure. In addition, I experienced as have many other users extreme temperature spikes on the cores. I have never seen that before in any Intel chips. I have seen uneven core temps but not spikes at random times on random cores. I saw these spikes when more than 1.3v was applied. Im not sure removing the heat spreader would help with this. However, I could be wrong. My 7700k was the hottest chip I have ever used. So anything you could do to help it thermally would be great.

 

[FireFox]

The CPU is great if you have an adequate Cooler System.

It's funny Intel gets defended even when messing totally things up

I don't defend Intel at all, they Fu@@ed up this time but before i bought the CPU i read and re-read about the heat issue so i was aware and forgetting the fact that i have a good Cooler System even if i didn't have it i wouldn't hesitate to buy the CPU because i knew that the only way to solve the heat issue was deliding or upgrading to a better Cooler System and that was OK for me, that said, who bought the CPU did it to their own risk.

But it cost me next to nothing -so why not?

So don't complain.

No offence.

Why would anyone buy an unlocked - high end enthusiast level processor, and then run it on the stock cooler (actually there isn't even a "stock" cooler for the i7 7700k)? The reason they dropped the stock cooler on the 6700k and 7700k (just like on the HEDT procs) is because they expect you to be using a decent air or AIO cooler anyway, and people weren't using the included cooler, so it was a waste of $ to include it.

I agree.

Nowadays who runs a stock cooler is a fool.

Once again, no offence.

 

[damric]

I have had my i3-6100 for about a year now and I am ready to delid.

My cooler, a TPC-612 leftover from hot AMD builds doesn't seem to help much despite being so overkill for this dual core. I easily hit over 80c when doing some heavy workloads.

I think a delid will help it run cooler, and maybe even stabilize higher clocks. I have mutant gorilla hands so wish me luck! If I break it, at least it was only $110.

 

[FireFox]

I have mutant gorilla hands

so wish me luck! If I break it, at least it was only $110

Nah, you will do great, start with the 4 corners and then carefully the sides without put too much pressure, my first time took me 5 minutes, i have delided a few CPUs for some friends of mine, it became a hobby for me, would be nice to delid my 7700K but just those 4/5minutes that i need to delid it feels like adrenaline after done the fun is over.

Note: just in case i decide to go for 5.5GHz or above delid it's an option, but before that happens first i would push my Chiller to it's limit.

 

[yotano211]

I have had my i3-6100 for about a year now and I am ready to delid.

My cooler, a TPC-612 leftover from hot AMD builds doesn't seem to help much despite being so overkill for this dual core. I easily hit over 80c when doing some heavy workloads.

I think a delid will help it run cooler, and maybe even stabilize higher clocks. I have mutant gorilla hands so wish me luck! If I break it, at least it was only $110.

You shouldnt be getting those kinds of temps. My friend has a i3 6320 with the stock intel cooler and never gets over 60C. I tested the temps for him. He keeps his house at around 73F.

 

[FireFox]

I experienced as have many other users extreme temperature spikes on the cores. I have never seen that before in any Intel chips.

Will that kill the CPU?

 

[trt740]

Will that kill the CPU?

I am not sure but if you read a few reviews you will see that other have report the same issues. However this could be bios related voltage issues that will get ironed out.

 

[FireFox]

However this could be bios related voltage issues that will get ironed out.

If so maybe Intel will correct it.

 

[FireFox]

For 4.9Ghz 1.264V it is not that bad

 

[damric]

You shouldnt be getting those kinds of temps. My friend has a i3 6320 with the stock intel cooler and never gets over 60C. I tested the temps for him. He keeps his house at around 73F.

Your friend probably isn't pushing nearly 1.5v and a 1GHz OC.

 

[hat]

Your friend probably isn't pushing nearly 1.5v and a 1GHz OC.

No wonder your temps are hot then... in such a case, I think delid won't help you much, you probably just need a better cooler. Delid helps with thermal transfer to the heatsink, but if the heatsink's cooling capacity is already reaching its limit (as I suspect yours is) it won't really do much.

Now, if you get a better cooler capable of cooling considerably more than your current one, THEN delid will help. You'll be able to push more heat to your would-be better cooler, which can handle that much heat.

 

[thesmokingman]

No wonder your temps are hot then... in such a case, I think delid won't help you much, you probably just need a better cooler. Delid helps with thermal transfer to the heatsink, but if the heatsink's cooling capacity is already reaching its limit (as I suspect yours is) it won't really do much.

Now, if you get a better cooler capable of cooling considerably more than your current one, THEN delid will help. You'll be able to push more heat to your would-be better cooler, which can handle that much heat.

That's where a delid will actually be MOST helpful. With high overclocks you get very close to the tjmax, which in turn creates heat that makes sustaining said overclock very difficult. Enter delidding which lops off 20c average off the top, giving us that breathing room back. A better cooler is great, but it will not make a difference when you're that close to tjmax, unless we're talking more extreme cooling like a chiller or phase but that is throwing mass wattage/bucks at the problem. Delidding on the other hand can be done for a handful of dollars, basically for a tube of CLU.

 

[Vario]

just get a better heatsink, delidding an i3 is ridiculous.

 

[hat]

How helpful can a delid be when he's most likely maxing out his cooler's capacity anyway? The cooler can only cool so much.

 

[Vario]

How helpful can a delid be when he's most likely maxing out his cooler's capacity anyway? The cooler can only cool so much.

$10 for CLU.
$15 for a proper heatsink from ebay.

It doesn't even make sense from a budget standpoint when you consider the risk and the loss of resale.

 

[nomdeplume]

That oddest of moments when someone on the internet notes the absurdity of an act without promoting it for their own enjoyment.

Delidding an i3 is the good kind of absurdity. 99% of this thread has been the other kind. I say go for it and be the one to find out if it reacts as expected.

 

[damric]

The TPC coolers have enormous thermal output, and I wasn't able to saturate the same cooler with highly clocked AMD processors so I doubt upgrading to anything less than a true water cooling copper 240 rad would help.

Going to try it and run naked no lid since I have a horizontal setup and my cooler has nice base plate.

I will log some before temps first though.

 

[hat]

Be very careful not to damage the CPU die running without the IHS...

 

[Papahyooie]

I'm with Hat, here... What sense does it make to delid ANY cpu without a decent cooler?

Heat goes from the die, to the heat spreader, to the cooler, then to the air/water. If you can't get the heat out of the cooler and into the air/water, then delidding and/or changing the TIM will do nothing for you. In a stock cooling scenario, the cooler is the choke point. Heat will build up behind the choke point, and eventually stay in the die, where you get higher temps. If you get a better cooler, and it can handle the heat output, you've moved the choke point to between the heat spreader and the cooler. So you put high quality TIM between the spreader and cooler, and move the choke point back to the die/cooler interface. ONLY then does it make sense to delid.

Delidding on a stock cooler will not help at all.

 

[EarthDog]

You all are assuming that its saturated. Remember, the temps are coming from the core, not the heatsink. I mean, you are absolutely 100% right IF the HS is saturated. Perhaps its the impedance from die->TIM->IHS->TIM->heatsink is part of the reason why.

 

[Papahyooie]

You all are assuming that its saturated. Remember, the temps are coming from the core, not the heatsink. I mean, you are absolutely 100% right IF the HS is saturated. Perhaps its the impedance from die->TIM->IHS->TIM->heatsink is part of the reason why.

That's true. But if you buy a new cooler, and your temps are lower, then that definitively means that your previous cooler was saturated.

 

[EarthDog]

Not really... saturation and how much heat it can move are two different things. Those two points cross, indeed, but are two different things. Coolers only get saturated when the load they are trying to cool saturate it. By no means does that ALWAYS (or in your words, definitively) imply that the HS is saturated/maxed out. it CAN mean that, certainly.

in other words, I can put a stock 7700K on a system and reach 60C temps with 212 Evo. If I put a NHD-15 on there I may reach 55C. Was the Evo saturated? No... see what I mean?

EDIT: To be fair, we are 153 posts in and I have no idea what CPU and stock cooler you are talking about at this point in the thread, lol!

 

[Papahyooie]

Not really... saturation and how much heat it can move are two different things. Those two points cross, indeed, but are two different things. Coolers only get saturated when the load they are trying to cool saturate it. By no means does that ALWAYS (or in your words, definitively) imply that the HS is saturated/maxed out. it CAN mean that, certainly.

in other words, I can put a stock 7700K on a system and reach 60C temps with 212 Evo. If I put a NHD-15 on there I may reach 55C. Was the Evo saturated? No... see what I mean?

EDIT: To be fair, we are 153 posts in and I have no idea what CPU and stock cooler you are talking about at this point in the thread, lol!

That's fair. Perhaps I was using the wrong terminology.

Either way, I think we can agree that with a stock cooler, your temp problems are almost certainly because the heatsink simply cannot move any more heat away from the core. And as such, it doesn't make any sense to delid with a stock cooler.

I mean, every person is free to do whatever they wish with their stuff. I just think it's a waste of time and a badly calculated risk.

 

[EarthDog]

Perhaps.

I wouldn't delid if I had the stock cooler either. As you said, its a badly calculated risk. I would get a better cooler, see what temps look like then, and if they are still bad, look back into delidding.

 

[peche]

I have had my i3-6100 for about a year now and I am ready to delid.

My cooler, a TPC-612 leftover from hot AMD builds doesn't seem to help much despite being so overkill for this dual core. I easily hit over 80c when doing some heavy workloads.

I think a delid will help it run cooler, and maybe even stabilize higher clocks. I have mutant gorilla hands so wish me luck! If I break it, at least it was only $110.

dont delid, just get a better cooler, worthless to delid an i3 and the when upgrading you have to charge like $10 for a delidded i3 cuz no body will pay moar for it, thats how market works sir, its better to upgrade to a decent air cooler or AIO Water cooler.

Nah, you will do great, start with the 4 corners and then carefully the sides without put too much pressure, my first time took me 5 minutes, i have delided a few CPUs for some friends of mine, it became a hobby for me, would be nice to delid my 7700K but just those 4/5minutes that i need to delid it feels like adrenaline after done the fun is over.

Note: just in case i decide to go for 5.5GHz or above delid it's an option, but before that happens first i would push my Chiller to it's limit.

still waiting on whatssapp to have the premiere!

You shouldnt be getting those kinds of temps. My friend has a i3 6320 with the stock intel cooler and never gets over 60C. I tested the temps for him. He keeps his house at around 73F.

me naither thats something pretty odd, i3 are the cooler processors from intel

just get a better heatsink, delidding an i3 is ridiculous.

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