Xbox 360 or iPod Video

[Casheti]

Putting any more money into this worthless piece of $|-|17 is just pointless. Starting from scratch will be a much better option.

And I'm kinda fixed on the idea of movies on the go, as well as a huge hard drive for all my music

Also I reckon iPod stock headphones are the bomb!! Plenty of bass... (I'm a bass fanatic)

 

[DaMulta]

I'll tell you what. I love my mini disc player. That thing never skips( I can bang it on my desk hard over and over) and you can put 6 cds per disc. You run out of room you put in another disc. Not like a I-pod or what ever when you run out of room you have to delete things.

Sony mini disc = Love

 

[Casheti]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.

 

[anticlutch]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.

But since you have that much money... why not a decent C2D processor?

 

[Casheti]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.

But since you have that much money... why not a decent C2D processor?

Why do you think the iPod is a failure?

And I don't want to upgrade the PC because it will make me stay indoors too much and I can't afford to upgrade. One leads to another etc..

 

[DaMulta]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.

Oh yes you can

 

[anticlutch]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod

 

[Casheti]

DaMulta I keep thinking you're some really hot girl who is replying to my thread...

I look forward to your avatar everytime

 

[Casheti]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod

I tend to use the word "sheep" in place of bandwagoner. To be honest I can see some of your points, but the new iPods have improved battery life. I think the sound is excellent, to me at least.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.

Epitome of failure?

The ipod is probably one of if not THE most successful technological product EVER MADE.

The iPod has DEFINED an ENTIRE market.

The iPod has brought digital devices to a whole new level.

how is that failure?!! The fact that a fruity company made it, so it has to be bad?

You do realize that the Ps3 is an epitome of failure, right?

 

[anticlutch]

Meh. Go for it then... my first mp3 player was an iPod and I thought the sound was awesome until I tested out other brands at a store. Once I bought my iRiver and Cowon mp3 players, I couldn't go back to the crappy sound that my iPod put out (which is why it's gathering dust on my shelf).

edit @ Dippy: Yes, in respects to business, it is THE product of the decade. Compared to other products on the market however, the iPod's shortcomings are VERY obvious. I wasn't trying to be an anti-Apple fanboy; I tried the iPod and I hated it because I found much, much better quality products from other companies.

 

[Casheti]

I'd buy it if I lived in USA

 

[Jimmy 2004]

As the ipod is the # 1 music player in the wolrd,

I do not like them for this reason

#1 everyone has one
#2 i hate itunes, as you lose your music, you CAN NOT re download it.
#3 apple stuff is proprietary
#4 videos can be a pain in the ass to get on it.


idk, it's mostly just me i think. My borther hates them as well, my dad has one though

All you have to do is send them an email and they let you download it again.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Meh. Go for it then... my first mp3 player was an iPod and I thought the sound was awesome until I tested out other brands at a store. Once I bought my iRiver and Cowon mp3 players, I couldn't go back to the crappy sound that my iPod put out (which is why it's gathering dust on my shelf).

I upgraded from an Iriver cd player

Gotta admit though, that was a nice cd player.

 

[Chewy]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod

Yep some good points there, with an Ipod you Have to buy a silicone case, no fm, I dont find it slow well only if you have to reset it, I did not find thier headphones the greatest many people seem to use them ... thier ok I use good Sony ones. Iriver has had the best sound of any mp3 player I have tried (could vary in models). screen is kinda small but it works.

 

[anticlutch]

The iRiver H320 was probably THE best mp3 player ever made... it's such a shame that it was discontinued though

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.

1.) www.iskin.com- Nuff said.
2.) Theres an FM reciever. I wouldn't want one. why? I'm using an ipod to AVOID radio stations.
3.) Battery life.. you mean 16 hours on a normal ipod, and >24 on a shuffle aren't enough? Damn dude.
4.) slow? eh? Its effective. Theres no slowdown.. and compare it to some of the generic mp3 player's interfaces... notice they try to copy it? wonder why.
5.) Ipod linux. You can play everything prettymuch. Even OGG.
7.) you're jogging. Do you really need ZOMG 8.1 SURROUND SOUND DOOD!

 

[wataMG42]

if your set on buying a mp3 player buy one but dont buy an ipod.i recently bought an creative zen v plus.i went into the shop ready to buy an ipod shuffle came out with a 4gig video playing zen for the same price.so if i was u i would go for a cheaper better brand and spend the left over money on beer

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

if your set on buying a mp3 player buy one but dont buy an ipod.i recently bought an creative zen v plus.i went into the shop ready to buy an ipod shuffle came out with a 4gig video playing zen for the same price.so if i was u i would go for a cheaper better brand and spend the left over money on beer

$70?

Damn where?

 

[anticlutch]

Debating with someone who failed to see the shortcomings of iPods...fun

1. Other mp3 players do not need cases to remain scratch free. iPods are so scratch prone that the cases themselves, ironically, will scratch the front and back (which admittedly, looks damn sleek ). My Cowon (iAudio) X5 does not need a case; the only way to scratch it is to use a key or a LOT of coins (assuming that it is put in a pocket with those two)

2. Why wouldn't you FM radio and voice recording included? All the other MP3 players included it as a standard feature; Apple is one of the few companies that make you pay a premium for it.

3. 16 hours with no backlight, lowest volume, short tracks, no equalizer, and no browsing for music? No thanks.

4. Slow? Yeah, some are, some aren't. Both of mine were, and most of my friends' iPods were too (most being at least 70%).

5. Void your warranty much? And even if the loading of custom software doesn't void your warranty, that's an extra hassle to go through if you want to play lossless codecs (Apple here, again, forces you to do extra things in order to get the features you want while the majority of other companies include support for other formats as a standard).

6. OMGYESINEED8.1SURROUNDSOUNDNAO!. I was referring to the sound quality, not the sound output. Quality here means clear, undistorted sound with accurate reproduction of high and low frequencies, not how many channels it can output. As of now, I know for sure that most Samsung and iRiver players ship with a customizable equalizer built in; all Cowon (iAudio) mp3 players are shipped with the feature standard.

And fyi, your numbering is out of order

 

[Chewy]

the batt life is ok on the 30gig model with the light not at 100% I get about 8-9 hours half brightness 5 sec timer.. even watching movies I dont want 100% backlight and I switch songs alot at work still get over 8 hours use well lets say 7-9 since I do take a lunch break.

The sound is decent on the ipod, nothing spectacular like Iriver but you wont notice and get useed to ipod (I switched) most Irivers friggin owna nd are damm near undestructable I lost one on my lawn for 2 weeks.. it rained a fair bit durring that 2 weeks and when I found it.. I didnt even have to wait for it to dry.. it turned on and was still working perfect! lost it a couple weeks after that though lol

FM tuner is a nice extra, it costs extra for ipod though as many things lol

You can find a better budget mp3 player that wont cost you much nowadays at least here in Canada, but 30 gigs rules.


Edit: the updated firmware for ipod lets you ajeust the brightness of your backlight.. that made me happy saves alot of batt life.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

And fyi, your numbering is out of order

1.) cases are nice.

2.) because I don't use either of those features. Those are exactly why I bought an ipod. I didn't buy it to do those, because I don't to it, and neither do a large majority of people. Its all flash and little use.

3.) I used my ipod shuffle for over 3 weeks driving to and from work for an hour every day and didn't charge it. Its a little over the size of a golden dollar. If you're like a normal user you plug your ipod into a computer often enough to keep it topped off, and NEVER run out of battery life.

4.)slow? Something's broken. I've used/owned 3 original ipods, a mini, the original nano, a new nano, a new shuffle, and a video. I'll admit the video is kinda sluggish when messing with videos, but thats TBE on a small device. It is a hard drive after all.
5.) it doesn;t void your warranty, unless you idiocally manage to brick it beyond repair (which means you're an idiot). Also, what other mp3 player runs linux? Plays doom? NONE.

6.) This will depend on what music you listen to. Classical? Maybe theres a difference. Something 90% of the TARGET AUDIENCE listens to? No different. Audio quality is quite relational as to what one prefers, what one is capable of hearing, and what you're listening to. You do know you can listen to things in best buy right?

The audio quality argument is the biggest crock of shit thats been invented in arguing which is better, because like women, there are many preferences!

Some people have a strange obsession with feet.

Some people have an obsurdly annoying obsession with making the bass in your car break its window. That certainly doesn't sound "decent".

Also note: 2 out of every 5000 americans know how to use an equilizer. The second just likes to mess with the bars and claims to know how to use it.



and yes, Bullet 6 was intended to be blank!

 

[anticlutch]

Meh. You'll never change your view about the iPod and neither will I... so here's the last response I'll give.

1. Not having to spend extras on cases is even nicer.
2. Sure, you may not use it but it's a feature that should have been included (Apple needs to up the ante as most other mp3 players include an FM tuner + voice recording). Including a FM tuner/voice recording is like extras on cars; If you bought a Mercedes, wouldn't you want a GPS if ALL the other car companies provided them as a standard feature? Same thing here.
3. "Topping off" your battery will shorten the already short battery lifespan fyi. And Shuffles do not count as they are flash-based, and do not include a screen. iPod 30gb's have hard drives and a relatively large screen that sucks up battery life. Keep it an apples-to-apples (no pun intended) comparison, please.
4. Hm.. not really. My first one was fine in the beginning up until the 10gb mark (out of 15gb [3rd gen]). Then it started to slow down and randomly lock up... the cherry on top was when the iPod got scratched when I left it on my desk without it being touched or moved in any way. The second one lasted a bit longer; after it started to slow down I got fed up and bought an iRiver mp3 player. Whenever I use my friends' iPods, they lag like no other. I guess for some people it would seem acceptable, but to me, if I paid $300+ for an electronic device I expect it to run flawlessly, or at least very close to it.

5. I won't bother to check the EULA/Warranty info for iPods but I'm pretty sure loading custom software voids your warranty, much like how OC'ing your processor voids its warranty. And may I ask why you're playing Doom on your iPod? You don't listen to radio, nor do you browse through your music but you play Doom on your iPod... nice.

6. I do not consider myself to be an audiophile, yet even I can tell the difference between the muddy crap the iPod puts out and clear sound that my other mp3 players put out. And yes, I do know that I can test mp3 players out at Best Buy as that's how I found out how crappy the iPod sounded in the first place!

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

2. Sure, you may not use it but it's a feature that should have been included (Apple needs to up the ante as most other mp3 players include an FM tuner + voice recording). Including a FM tuner/voice recording is like extras on cars; If you bought a Mercedes, wouldn't you want a GPS if ALL the other car companies provided them as a standard feature? Same thing here.

Again, target market. Thats what matters.

3. "Topping off" your battery will shorten the already short battery lifespan fyi. And Shuffles do not count as they are flash-based, and do not include a screen. iPod 30gb's have hard drives and a relatively large screen that sucks up battery life. Keep it an apples-to-apples comparison, please.

You do know lithium ion batterys go through "cycles" right? Most people are still ignorant to this type of battery.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

Priming will make little difference because the maximum capacity of lithium-ion is available right from the beginning. Neither does a full discharge improve the capacity of a faded pack.

if I paid $300+ for an electronic device I expect it to run flawlessly, or at least very close to it.

You're the first person I've ever seen claim an ipod lags.

5. I won't bother to check the EULA/Warranty info for iPods but I'm pretty sure loading custom software voids your warranty, much like how OC'ing your processor voids its warranty. And may I ask why you're playing Doom on your iPod? You don't listen to radio, nor do you browse through your music but you play Doom on your iPod... nice.

Possibly. but if you mess up linux, all you have to do is plug it into the computer, run apple updator, and VOILA. Just as if you pulled it out of the box.

but yes, i play doom on my Ipod. why? because its fun as hell. It gives a whole new perspective on the game with the ipod controls.

I browse through my music probably more than anyone. I have -never- had any issues. and i try to avoid the radio as much as possible. I'm not alone. My friends do the exact same thing I do. Use an ipod instead.

6. I do not consider myself to be an audiophile, yet even I can tell the difference between the muddy crap the iPod puts out and clear sound that my other mp3 players put out. And yes, I do know that I can test mp3 players out at Best Buy as that's how I found out how crappy the iPod sounded in the first place!

Again, 100% pure speculation, and OPINION.

IMO my macbook pro sounds much better than every sound card I've ever heard.

WIll everyone say that? No.

Will many others? Yes.

 

[Wile E]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.

I have the 80GB model cash, and I have to delete stuff. You'll eventually collect enough movies and music to fill it.

Also, when you rip CDs to it. (I know you don't buy many. lol) Use AAC, it sounds much better than mp3.

DVDfab Platinum will also convert dvd's to iPod.




@Anticlutch - as for the sound issue - www.rockbox.org.

The problem with iPod's audio quality is related to it's eq. Don't use them and it sounds better. And the UI isn't slow. Mine responds immediately. Even my 20GB 3rd gen responds immediately. There must be something wrong with yours.

It's fine that you don't like iPods, but they are not bad products, like you're making them out to be. Plus, no other player on the market has as many accessories available to them.