Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
Wow, I bow to your superior intellect and knowledge.
Of course it appears you are unaware of the sheer numbers and near balance between PC's and consoles, so I can understand your misplaced statement.
Processor | Core i7-8700k 4.4Ghz @ 1.18v |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax T40F Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 2x 16GB Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Xc (awaiting wkd to install ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB) |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Black; 2x 4TB WD Black; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
Processor | Core i7-8700k 4.4Ghz @ 1.18v |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax T40F Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 2x 16GB Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Xc (awaiting wkd to install ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB) |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Black; 2x 4TB WD Black; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Except it's not, just as per your PC Gamer link states "AND downloadable games". There is no basis for your statement that AAA games are sold mostly on consoles and non AAA games mostly on PC.I said PC gaming is all about F2P low demanding games (hardware wise), while AAA games sell more on consoles
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Processor | 5800x / i7 920@3.73 / 5800x |
Motherboard | Steel Legend B450M / GB EX58-UDP4 / Steel Legend B550M |
Cooling | Mugen 5 / Pure Rock / Glacier One 240 |
Memory | Corsair Something 16 / Corsair Something 12 / G.Skill 32 |
Video Card(s) | AMD 6800XT / AMD 6750XT / Sapphire 7800XT |
Storage | Way too many drives... |
Display(s) | LG 332GP850-B / Sony w800b / Sony X90J |
Case | EVOLV X / Carbide 540 / Carbide 280x |
Audio Device(s) | SB ZxR + GSP 500 / board / Denon X1700h + ELAC Uni-Fi 2 + Senn 6XX |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME GX-750 / Corsair HX750 / Seasonic Focus PX-650 |
Mouse | G700 / none / G602 |
Keyboard | G910 |
Software | w11 64 |
Benchmark Scores | I don't play benchmarks... |
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
System Name | M3401 notebook |
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Processor | 5600H |
Motherboard | NA |
Memory | 16GB |
Video Card(s) | 3050 |
Storage | 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | 14" OLED screen of the laptop |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | 3050 scores good 15-20% lower than average, despite ASUS's claims that it has uber cooling. |
LOL.
And alcohol sales will drop, too.
Then you, good sir, have never Star Citizen'd.
Also, have a look at this. For Honor is pretty much #1 on every PC digital download platform that offers it. Yeah, it isn't PC exclusive but when titles sell by the tens of thousands on all platforms, why does it matter?
Steam Hardware Survey pops up on all computers with Steam installed. I occasionally install Steam on my crappy laptop, for example, because I'm going some where. One doesn't need an amazing computer to play amazing games like Undertale. At the same time, Stardew Valley won't even start on it.
The demand for newer graphics hardware is driven mostly by the push for higher resolutions. Soon, it will also be driven by the push for HDR.
Except it's not, just as per your PC Gamer link states "AND downloadable games". There is no basis for your statement that AAA games are sold mostly on consoles and non AAA games mostly on PC.
The breakdown in income from game sales is nearly equal between PC and consoles. I would argue that the PC is the realm of more hardcore gamers, while console gaming is primarily (not all tho) the realm of casual kiddies and teens.
Processor | Core i7-8700k 4.4Ghz @ 1.18v |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax T40F Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 2x 16GB Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Xc (awaiting wkd to install ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB) |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Black; 2x 4TB WD Black; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Yeah great. Pull out a couple games from your ass. Btw, FB doesn't count as PC gaming. WhoTheFuck cares about BF1singular example numbers. Your own provided links earlier show the total income for PC's and consoles is near even. So....maybe enjoy your console you are obviously so proud of.
In closing, let ME give YOU a one-off example, since you think singular, selective examples are indicative of the industry.Go look up TW3 sales. Largest amount? GOG. 2nd? Steam. As far as I know, those are PC gaming.
System Name | Home built desktop |
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Processor | AMD FX 8350 @4.2 ghz |
Motherboard | ASUS Sabertooth FX990 rev2 |
Cooling | Corsair Hydra h100i |
Memory | 16 GB Corsair vengeance 1866 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS GTX 1070 STRIX 8 GB |
Storage | Sandisk 240GB SSD, WD 2TB HDD/SSD hybrid X2, 1TB 2.5 HDD |
Display(s) | Hanns-G HL-273, 1080p, 23inch |
Case | Corsair carbide air 540 |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard Realtek® ALC892 8-Channel High Definition Audio |
Power Supply | Corsair GS800 |
Mouse | Roccat kone xtd |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe rgb red |
Software | Windows 10 64 |
Benchmark Scores | [url=https://valid.x86.fr/ht3bz6][img]https://valid.x86.fr/cache/banner/ht3bz6-6.png[/img][/url] |
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
35% PS4, 35% XB1, 30% PC, seems legit especially considering that game takes serious hardware to play smooth (way more money than a console). Only serious gamers have all three platforms so they tend to buy titles for whatever platform they prefer (or more than one in some cases). Also don't forget that PC's lifecycle is much longer than any singular console. Check sales in a decade and PC sales will far exceed that of consoles.No one said PC income is lower or different from console income. Is my english that bad? FFS if you read all my posts on the matter I only said AAA gaming is stronger on consoles than PCs! AAA gaming is what reguires more powerful hardware! (you can´t play Watch Dogs 2 or Mafia 3 or Witcher 3 decently on a Intel HD4000 laptop). I said e-sports titles, f2p games, moba, mmo, rts, simulators, are better or only good on PC! And these are the games that make revenue for the platform. Not my fault that you can´t understand that I´m not defending any platform over the other, I game more on my PC than what I do on console anyway.
Also, what do you mean with TW3? The Witcher 3? You are so wrong again mate.. your problem is not providing links:
https://gamerant.com/the-witcher-3-sales-pc-consoles-125/
"Considering CD Projekt Red’s penchant for PC gaming, one would assume that their fan base would consist mostly of PC gamers, and therefore, the majority of the sales for The Witcher 3 would’ve been for the PC version. As it turns out, that’s not the case."
"In fact, the console versions of The Witcher 3 comprised 70% of the game’s sales, with the PC version representing the other 30%"
Whatever.... I should have learned when the other guy said "never debate with a pc elitist"
Love it or hate it, there isn´t a single AAA multiplatform game that sold more units on PC compared to its console counterpart. Not a single one. Or, at least, I couldn´t find any link sayiing otherwise on my google search session. Every game sold more units on console. If there is one link me because I like to read and learn.
35% PS4, 35% XB1, 30% PC, seems legit especially considering that game takes serious hardware to play smooth (way more money than a console). Only serious gamers have all three platforms so they tend to buy titles for whatever platform they prefer (or more than one in some cases). Also don't forget that PC's lifecycle is much longer than any singular console. Check sales in a decade and PC sales will far exceed that of consoles.
Processor | Core i7-8700k 4.4Ghz @ 1.18v |
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Motherboard | ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 |
Cooling | All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax T40F Black CPU cooler |
Memory | 2x 16GB Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Xc (awaiting wkd to install ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB) |
Storage | 1x 1TB MX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Black; 2x 4TB WD Black; 1x 1TB BX500 SSD; 1x 6TB WD Blue storage (eSATA) |
Display(s) | Infievo 27" 165Hz @ 2560 x 1440 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 Black -windowed |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster Z |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-850 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!) |
Keyboard | Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches) |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed) |
Processor | Intel Core 2 QX6850 |
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Motherboard | ABIT AB9 Pro |
Cooling | Zalman CNPS-9900 MAX-R |
Memory | Patriot PDC24G6400LLK (4x 2 GB) |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Light Turbo |
Storage | Not Enough! |
Display(s) | Samsung T240HD |
Case | NZXT Zero |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro |
Power Supply | Thortech Thunderbolt Plus TTBPK00G 1000W |
Mouse | Elecom M-DUX70BK |
Keyboard | CM Storm Trigger (Cherry MX Brown) |
Software | NOT Windows 10 |
Pretty much that. That tempered outlook thing is important and people seem to miss that. It just means people are holding back.Don't see anything wrong with ~ "valuation and a tempered outlook for gaming."
The Ryzen APU & Vega GPU both will hit Nvidia hard, in gaming, especially if there's an HBM2 APU released later in the year, though I'd expect them to debut no sooner than 2018.
The Ryzen APU & Vega GPU both will hit Nvidia hard, in gaming, especially if there's an HBM2 APU released later in the year, though I'd expect them to debut no sooner than 2018.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
System Name | Lenovo ThinkCentre |
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Processor | AMD 5650GE |
Motherboard | Lenovo |
Memory | 32 GB DDR4 |
Display(s) | AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz |
Mouse | Lenovo |
Keyboard | Lenovo |
Software | W11 Pro 64 bit |
I would expect it to be similar to eDram that Intel used on Haswell.Can AMD put HBM2 memory on a CPU package? If so that would be a really interesting possibility, considering PC APUs so far have been lower performing than one would've thought.
And I mean on that note, HBM built into the CPU could compete with Intel's Optane cache memory, right?
System Name | RemixedBeast-NX |
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Processor | Intel Xeon E5-2690 @ 2.9Ghz (8C/16T) |
Motherboard | Dell Inc. 08HPGT (CPU 1) |
Cooling | Dell Standard |
Memory | 24GB ECC |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte Nvidia RTX2060 6GB |
Storage | 2TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD//2TB WD Black HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung SyncMaster P2350 23in @ 1920x1080 + Dell E2013H 20 in @1600x900 |
Case | Dell Precision T3600 Chassis |
Audio Device(s) | Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 // Fiio E7 Amp/DAC |
Power Supply | 630w Dell T3600 PSU |
Mouse | Logitech G700s/G502 |
Keyboard | Logitech K740 |
Software | Linux Mint 20 |
Benchmark Scores | Network: APs: Cisco Meraki MR32, Ubiquiti Unifi AP-AC-LR and Lite Router/Sw:Meraki MX64 MS220-8P |
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Ok, star citizen, one game. Awesome... we are talking about stuff like Nioh, Horizon, Uncharted, Bloodborne, TLOU, Gravity Rush - exclusive wise - or multiplat like fifa, call of duty, titanfall or battlefield, wich sell much more on consoles. You mentioned 1 game, ok.
Also what´s the thing with For Honor? Is a 8 rated game that is doing well on both PC and consoles, doesn´t prove anything.
As for the steam survey, big falacy there mate. You are basically telling me that by "accident" only people with weaker hardware did the survey... that doesn´t go well with maths law about statistics.
If on the next USA president elections, the first stats say that after 1 million inquiries, Trump leads by 2%, you can expect some margin error sure, when you count with 20 million. But don´t expect anything more than 5% to 7%, max. So no one can assure you that if every one completed steam survey that high-end hardware would have more %. Why is that? lol makes no sense. Is a statistic, sure may not be 100% correct, but it isn´t also 50% incorrect. Simple Maths.
HDR? You have HDR on consoles already on many games, so that doesn´t seem to be a reason to buy high-end PC hardware. All the new sony exclusives have HDR, same with some multiplatforms like fifa and call of duty, for example.
My basis is this:
Battlefield 1 players today:
PC - 38k online - 42k peak
Console - 217k online - 237k peak
almost 6 times more.
Also this:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/?l
Call of Duty players on PC - 5k. On consoles is like 300k at least. You can´t even play anything else than TDM gamemode on PC in this game. Not to mention the hacking going around.
FIFA 17 PC - Takes at least 5 minutes to get matched against an oponent on Online seasons game mode and all the FUT prices are triple of console, because of next to no demand. Ronaldo price on FUT PC is crazy and almost impossible to reach, because the userbase is small.
Or from the fact that from the top 20 games with bigger userbase, only 2 are actually multiplat AAA games: GTA V and Fallout 4. Is there on steamstats. Or will you tell me again that bf1stats and steamstats are only counting weak laptops playing games?
I just bring facts, you guys are talking like you knew the truth but without any links to backup your assumptions.
I even linked to two sources saying that Pc gaming is growing on Facebook and f2p games, but declining on Premium games, and a graph where you could easily see from where the revenue comes mostly: League of Legends, Dota 2, CS:GO, World of Tanks, Heartstone and World of Warcraft. The other games have "niches" playing them, in comparasion. Once again, facts.
If you can´t accept the facts you start to be what we call fanboy or PC elitists, that deny anything that might be against the platform itself. Same happens to console fanboys when they can´t accept that PC is objectively superior.
All in all, fanboyism is bad. Learn to understand facts, graphs, statistics. Use your brain to make a full good analysis of it and make a non-biased conclusion. Instead of just saying "these statistics proove nothing, I will ignore them because they don´t go the way I really wanted them to".
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
Once again, no one said pc gaming is dead or dying. I just said AAA gaming on PC is way smaller than consoles. Everything else you said and every topic you wrote is absolutely right.
However, AAA games is what makes people buy high-end GPUs. That´s all I said. All the PC advantages you mentioned on those 9 topics, can be achieved with an Intel HD520 iGPU + Dual Core i5 6200u, on a 350 bucks laptop. And that´s what you find on most ppl houses. A low to mid spec computer (laptop or desktop), because almost everyone has one, and... a console.