AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yes and no. People were complaining about board changes, making note of how AMD kept their platform for nearly a decade, and only needing CPU swaps. But I digress, you correct, that was a CPU change, but that's no different than the change to AM4 IMHO.

dude whats that avatar about is it some kind of impalla or old goat

good facial expression on him though that look of shall i strike or abide

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes and no. People were complaining about board changes, making note of how AMD kept their platform for nearly a decade, and only needing CPU swaps. But I digress, you correct, that was a CPU change, but that's no different than the change to AM4 IMHO.

I just hope AMD planned forward with AM4. It doesn't seem amazingly future proof, unless AMD has left enough spare pins for additional PCIe lanes (which it doesn't really seem like) for future expansion. The chipsets so far are ho hum in my opinion, not terrible, but not really interesting either. In some ways, the old 990FX is more cutting edge than the X370 if you look at the platform as a whole, it just needed a bump to PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.x.

 

[cadaveca]

dude whats that avatar about is it some kind of impalla or old goat

good facial expression on him though that look of shall i strike or abide

It's a horny old goat.

goat = Greatest Of All Time.



Wasn't my idea, TBH. You can blame another user here on TPU for dat. @Sir B. Fannybottom

I just hope AMD planned forward with AM4. It doesn't seem amazingly future proof, unless AMD has left enough spare pins for additional PCIe lanes (which it doesn't really seem like) for future expansion. The chipsets so far are ho hum in my opinion, not terrible, but not really interesting either. In some ways, the old 990FX is more cutting edge than the X370 if you look at the platform as a whole, it just needed a bump to PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.x.

Yeah, I'm not that impressed with X370 either, since only one M.2 port is fast enough (one is usually 32 Gbps, the other 20 Gbps). I would have liked to have seen M.2 RAID possible, but if I stuck my Intel 600P drives in an X370 board, they'd be bottlenecked by the connectivity.

This makes my job doing board reviews even harder, since I have to remove my own personal feelings about the platform form those reviews and just relate to users what these boards can offer them.

 

[EarthDog]

M.2 raid (pcie x4 nvme) on intel is still useless for whatever reason.. barely scales past the single drive.. wonot go past 3000 MB/s on z270..

 

[cadaveca]

M.2 raid (pcie x4 nvme) on intel is still useless for whatever reason.. barely scales past the single drive.. wonot go past 3000 MB/s on z270..

It really depends on what board. Some boards are that way, yep, but not all.

 

[EarthDog]

I'd like to see the ones that arent... I am about 0 for 3 and counting! Yes, these are boards with 2 32 gbps m.2 slots and nothing else is populated...

 

[cadaveca]

I'd like to see the ones that arent... I am about 0 for 3 and counting! Yes, these are boards with 2 32 gbps m.2 slots and nothing else is populated...

You said :

wonot go past 3000 MB/s on z270..

two 256 GB Intel 600P drives, 300 GB of data, doesn't go below 3000 MB/s....:

MSI motherboard.

I would like to see similar on X370. The one port on ASRock Taichi is good, better than some ports on Intel-based boards, but the other... not so much.

 

[EarthDog]

Nor above it. If I raid 2 2500MB/s drives, I should be around 5k.. not pegging 3.1k. Your numbers make sense with two 1500MB/s drives. Try it with faster drives and notice it wont go much above that. In other words, it's not close to doubling speeds when using faster drives than your example. The bus can reach 3k... but can't seem to let loose on two really fast drives.

 

[Hood]

I'd like to see the ones that arent... I am about 0 for 3 and counting! Yes, these are boards with 2 32 gbps m.2 slots and nothing else is populated...

Yes, I've been wondering about Z270 board's implementation of M.2 RAID, especially the Asrock Taichi, Professional Gaming i7, and SuperCarrier boards, all with 3 M.2 slots - how do they scale at 2x and 3x RAID, and what's the maximum speed, limited by the platform/CPU? I hope that someone who has access to the hardware eventually makes a chart with these details for every board, how the M.2 slots are wired and expected throughput in single, 2x, and 3x RAID, similar to what Sin's Hardware did with vrmlist to help overclockers avoid Z87/Z97 boards with crappy power circuits/components. Yes, it would be more work for board reviewers, but as you noted, (0 for 3 and counting!) it's info a lot of us could use.

 

[Super XP]

AMD should be praised for an amazing CPU design. Ryzen is Amazing. Can't wait for the optimizations and Bios updates.

 

[xkm1948]

Current RyZen is mainstream. Once the HEDT equivalent RyZen comes out it would be dream come true for a lot of us who needs HPC at desktop scale.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Nor above it. If I raid 2 2500MB/s drives, I should be around 5k.. not pegging 3.1k. Your numbers make sense with two 1500MB/s drives. Try it with faster drives and notice it wont go much above that. In other words, it's not close to doubling speeds when using faster drives than your example. The bus can reach 3k... but can't seem to let loose on two really fast drives.

No it wouldn't, the DMI 3.0 interface is PCIe 3.0 x4, so there's your bottleneck. Sure, is faster than 3GB/s, but it won't even hit 4GB/s. It's also shared with all other peripherals connected to the chipset. How can you expect it to be faster than the chipset interconnect?

 

[Super XP]

Current RyZen is mainstream. Once the HEDT equivalent RyZen comes out it would be dream come true for a lot of us who needs HPC at desktop scale.

I wouldn't call current Ryzen mainstream. They are high performance CPUs. And they did achieve well beyond that promised 40% IPC Increase over the Bulldozer Design.

I'm just looking forward to optimizations and the eventual Zen 2 via 2018.

 

[phanbuey]

just got my ryzen stable @ 4.0Ghz 1.44v and 3200Mhz ram @ C14....

Thing is screaming (had to use a phone shot) :

 

[Super XP]

Bios updates should help you reduce that Voltage. A bit. I've seen Ryzen run stable at about 1.35v. At 4GHz. Nice OC though.

 

[phanbuey]

Bios updates should help you reduce that Voltage. A bit. I've seen Ryzen run stable at about 1.35v. At 4GHz. Nice OC though.

yeah the asus boards run pretty high from what I read... temps look okish tho - hoping I can push it a bit higher with more bios updates, gonna try for 3200 C13 today (not likely)

It games almost exactly like my OC'd skylake though, not much difference at all. I think the ram is helping, I also have process lasso set to realtime priority on the non-smt cores, and that makes a good bit of difference. For older games keeping in on one CCX, no SMT @ realtime priority works wonders (farcry 4).

 

[Grings]

I would like to see similar on X370. The one port on ASRock Taichi is good, better than some ports on Intel-based boards, but the other... not so much.

I assume thats better than chipset based intels z170/270 etc m.2 slots

And is it (roughly) the same as x99 m.2 slots (32gb ones obviously)

and how do the chipset and cpu sata ports compare, are the chipset ones slower? I assume a lot of us will want to use a pci m.2 at 4x, and a larger sata ssd plugged into the chipset rather than cut down the m2 lanes

 

[cdawall]

I'd like to see the ones that arent... I am about 0 for 3 and counting! Yes, these are boards with 2 32 gbps m.2 slots and nothing else is populated...

It only has 4 pcie lanes to the cpu. Hence why it behaves like that. You can't magically create bandwidth.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I wouldn't call current Ryzen mainstream. They are high performance CPUs. And they did achieve well beyond that promised 40% IPC Increase over the Bulldozer Design.

I'm just looking forward to optimizations and the eventual Zen 2 via 2018.

Mainstream or Enthusiast, it's pretty much determined by the platform/package not the CPU alone so in x370 guise some might call it enthusiast, not sure, in terms of multi card support and PCI-E lanes I don't think it compares to x99 but with an 8 core/16T setup I agree it is kind of difficult to call it mainstream.

 

[eidairaman1]

AMD's 900 series was an exception when it comes to chipsets from them, a good exception, but AMD has proven that chipsets aren't their strength over the years.

AMD has made at least half a dozen crappy chipsets which is something of a record in this business. They often relied on third parties for good south bridges and they've messed up their USB implementation many times. Admittedly some of those chipsets were made by ATI, but none of the Taiwanese chipset makers had the same kind of problems, well, maybe SiS...

That's not to say that Intel hasn't messed up a good few times as well, such as the P67 and a few other older chipsets.

Despite their 760 Chipset being the longest running unit to support AM3 cpus and some FX parts?

 

[EarthDog]

It only has 4 pcie lanes to the cpu. Hence why it behaves like that. You can't magically create bandwidth.

but they come from the PCH (24 total from there shared)...

...what am I missing?

 

[Super XP]

Not everyone likes them. What's new? I don't like the 6700k or 7700k for huge annoying to me reasons. You know how I fixed that? I didn't buy them.

I've heard the 7700K has some serious micro stuttering issues in games. Not sure if its all games, but there's enough people complaining of such a thing and has been mentioned in reviews too. The one key thing about Ryzen is despite its min fps, it maintains smooth game play, something many Intel chips fail to do.

 

[phanbuey]

I've heard the 7700K has some serious micro stuttering issues in games. Not sure if its all games, but there's enough people complaining of such a thing and has been mentioned in reviews too. The one key thing about Ryzen is despite its min fps, it maintains smooth game play, something many Intel chips fail to do.

My skylake did this too - it was like a hiccup... It would bomb along at 200FPS and then randomly freeze for .2 seconds and then rubber band to where it would be as if nothing happened - super distracting. The ryzen just dips fps and slows, but the frames stay pretty consistent.

I'm pretty sure it was the way the platform/mobo was handling background IO since it was 100x worse when windows decided it was update time at 8PM in the middle of a match.

 

[EarthDog]

I've heard the 7700K has some serious micro stuttering issues in games. Not sure if its all games, but there's enough people complaining of such a thing and has been mentioned in reviews too. The one key thing about Ryzen is despite its min fps, it maintains smooth game play, something many Intel chips fail to do.

don't experience this...been smooth gaming on intel for years.

Links...plz! I'd like to read about it from a review or something.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Honestly, I've been seriously considering a 6 or 8 core CPU since seeing Total Biscuit's review on Arkham Knight before the performance patching. His hex core was playing it pretty smoothly, granted with 980 Ti SLI though.

Then again, I also wonder if 8 core would be more future ready, and I'm kinda doubting there will be any Coffee Lake 8 cores under $500 early next year. I just keep feeling Ryzen isn't quite what I wanted it to be.