Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[the54thvoid]

Finally I can contribute here I've managed to make my 1700x GA-Gaming K7 and Trident Z up and running.

But encountering a bit of problem with my rams getting it's rated speed up and running.

Now here's my current set up:

RAM: Pair of G. Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16-8GTZSK (single rank rams)
BIOS F3 (latest non beta)
1700x
Vcore normal voltage + .00625v offset
VSoc 1.1
multi at 38
volts Ram : auto
(Managed to get prime 95 stability for hours w/ no xmp enabled ram running at 21333mhz)

Now I tried same set up but changed a few things
Enabled XMP
Changed ram voltage to 1.4v
^ It can boot up to windows fine but when prime starts it ends up with error messages something like :
Prime 95 ERROR:rounding was 0.5 less than 0.4 on a number of workers but still computer works without problem , but just to be safe shut off the machine.


Next things that I tried is to enter the values manually
but I get a boot loop and back into bios without the settings sticking

Right now am running at 2,666 no problems (this is manually inputted)

Any inputs to get 3200 or xmp working would be appreciated.
Thank you!

Could easily be too low a voltage. Your offset is minimal and that prime fail could be related to a struggling clock speed.
Don't rush to blame memory. Having tinkered about for a week or so, i had to stabilise voltage. Good chips will get by at 3.8 under 1.4v but i see a lot of users needing more than 1.4v. And with Vdroop, LLC becomes a necessity.

 

[Tatty_Two]

There used to be a time that if you set XMP all other related settings should be on auto?

 

[YautjaLord]

Just brought GA-AX370-Gaming-K7 to my home, this build will be complete in July or even August just in time for me going to Bloodstock this year. Memory QVL says all the way to 4266MHz DDR4 RAM supported albeit it's still in it's infancy, says downgrade to 3200MHz. By the time i'll actually go for these i hope GB releases EFI update that fixes the "issue" & DDR4 4000MHz is hassle-free to install & use while also having no trouble to OC the CPU (1800X or 1700) to 4.1GHz as well. What gives, MindBlank posted video in his YT channel using 3600MHz RAM with 1700?, 1700X? & it was all scaling like a champ in 1080p/1440p in GTAV, Witcher 3, etc.... Think it was GA-AX370-Gaming-5? that was used in conjunction with GTX 1080 & stuff? F*ckload of time till either July or even August. Cheers.

 

[Aenra]

@psyko12
- is that RAM in the K7's QVL list? Have had similar issues with a previous Giga board, when you try tweak a RAM it doesn't 'like', nothing saves. Turned out they were more serious about their QVL than other brands.
- with all due respect to posters offering advice above, RAM voltages are the last thing i'd resort to (there's a reason they are factory tested and validated as "O.K., we can sell them" at 1.35v). You need check your SoC first and foremost, meaning you need also re-reset your LLC. The worst your silicon is, the more SoC it will take to run them there.

i hope GB releases EFI update that fixes the "issue"

You do know they're the slowest of them all, right? In regard to BIOS updates? And that even when they do offer an update, only the foolhardy would download without at least a couple of months having elapsed?
Giga is good when what they offer can do exactly what you need. Chances are it will probably surprise you by doing more.
Giga is not the company to go to when in dire need of 'future support' that is currently not available.

That said, i obviously hope i'm proven wrong in your case.

 

[YautjaLord]

You do know they're the slowest of them all, right? In regard to BIOS updates? And that even when they do offer an update, only the foolhardy would download without at least a couple of months having elapsed?
Giga is good when what they offer can do exactly what you need. Chances are it will probably surprise you by doing more.
Giga is not the company to go to when in dire need of 'future support' that is currently not available.

That said, i obviously hope i'm proven wrong in your case.

That's why i said July or even August, yeah they've being extremely slow on EFI/BIOS updates compared to ASRock, ASUS and/or MSI, actually for a laughs it's really hilarious the board i chose for my build doesn't even have the "Improved stability" update it's Gaming 5 variant has (F5 or F5b EFI update), but i digress. Board looks wicked regardless, fits the HAF X's black & LED red theme. Cheers.

 

[infrared]

Finally I can contribute here I've managed to make my 1700x GA-Gaming K7 and Trident Z up and running.

But encountering a bit of problem with my rams getting it's rated speed up and running.

Now here's my current set up:

RAM: Pair of G. Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16-8GTZSK (single rank rams)
BIOS F3 (latest non beta)
1700x
Vcore normal voltage + .00625v offset
VSoc 1.1
multi at 38
volts Ram : auto
(Managed to get prime 95 stability for hours w/ no xmp enabled ram running at 21333mhz)

Now I tried same set up but changed a few things
Enabled XMP
Changed ram voltage to 1.4v
^ It can boot up to windows fine but when prime starts it ends up with error messages something like :
Prime 95 ERROR:rounding was 0.5 less than 0.4 on a number of workers but still computer works without problem , but just to be safe shut off the machine.


Next things that I tried is to enter the values manually
but I get a boot loop and back into bios without the settings sticking

Right now am running at 2,666 no problems (this is manually inputted)

Any inputs to get 3200 or xmp working would be appreciated.
Thank you!

As @the54thvoid suggested, I'd try a higher vcore first as that isn't a lot of offset, followed by a bit more SoC voltage (try 1.1-1.2v)

I'd also suggest getting memtest86+ put on a usb stick and booting into that to check your ram is stable (go to test 7 and let that loop a few times C-1-3-7-enter-0), if it fails then you know ram is the problem, if that passes and you're still getting crashes or failing p95 then you know it's CPU related.

 

[psyko12]

Thanks for the inputs! Will be reading it, yeah a friend of mine says it's due to low or un-proper VCore.

Try following the steps described here and see how it goes.

Though the board is different, dude uses this sort of approach for any AM4 board he uses.

See if that helps.

Thanks, will be reading it

Could easily be too low a voltage. Your offset is minimal and that prime fail could be related to a struggling clock speed.
Don't rush to blame memory. Having tinkered about for a week or so, i had to stabilise voltage. Good chips will get by at 3.8 under 1.4v but i see a lot of users needing more than 1.4v. And with Vdroop, LLC becomes a necessity.

As @the54thvoid suggested, I'd try a higher vcore first as that isn't a lot of offset, followed by a bit more SoC voltage (try 1.1-1.2v)

I'd also suggest getting memtest86+ put on a usb stick and booting into that to check your ram is stable (go to test 7 and let that loop a few times C-1-3-7-enter-0), if it fails then you know ram is the problem, if that passes and you're still getting crashes or failing p95 then you know it's CPU related.

Thanks guys will try to play with VCore but what are safe voltages to start with and I think I will not be using offsets any more I feel it's not working due to CNQ and Green features get disabled once you OC.

How high would I be worried as far as temps go for the Tdie?

Will be doing the memtest as well thanks @the54thvoid , @HTC and @infrared

EDIT: What about LLC, I only have it at Auto...
W/c one do I choose Norm, High, Extreme, Turbo?

 

[the54thvoid]

Thanks for the inputs! Will be reading it, yeah a friend of mine says it's due to low or un-proper VCore.



Thanks, will be reading it





Thanks guys will try to play with VCore but what are safe voltages to start with and I think I will not be using offsets any more I feel it's not working due to CNQ and Green features get disabled once you OC.

How high would I be worried as far as temps go for the Tdie?

Will be doing the memtest as well thanks @the54thvoid , @HTC and @infrared

EDIT: What about LLC, I only have it at Auto...
W/c one do I choose Norm, High, Extreme, Turbo?

I have Vcore at 1.44v , LLC at 4 (1-5, 5 being highest). My CPU is air cooled and it reaches 65-70 under Real Bench (found instability where Prime 95 didn't). The TDie temp (and what Ryzen Master says) is 45-50 degrees but I DO NOT believe that. My VRM temp hits on average 65 max during stress testing at that voltage. Extreme power phase on and spread spectrum disabled. I also have VDDP at 1.09 (auto is 0.94). I read on OCN that it helps with memory overclocks.

Given my VRM readings - very far within safe limits, the voltage is fine (in my noob mind). After 3.9Ghz, temps start to rise dramatically for myself and others, so be aware. The voltage increase didn't increase temps much at all.

I'll post my HWinfo numbers to give an idea of what voltages I'm using across the board. I *think* I'm 3.9Ghz stable.

 

[infrared]

With that cooler I expect 1.40v would be fine short term, 1.375 or less longer term. You won't hurt the chip with that voltage. I'm using LLC at 3 for up to 1.4v (probably "high" if your options are "Norm, High, Extreme, Turbo") Experiment with this yourself though, you need to look at idle and load voltage, if voltage dips under load, more LLC is needed, if it goes up with load then you've got too much.

If mine wasn't at 100% load all the time I'd probably try to use the offset voltage, but from what I've seen the power savings are very minimal (it uses very little power at idle) and it definitely makes overclocking easier by setting a fixed voltage.

Temperature is a bit of an unknown as no-one has killed a chip with heat yet to my knowledge, and it should throttle before then anyway. Personally I would try to keep it under 75c ish, I doubt short stints above that would hurt the chip at all. Get realbench/p95/aida fired up and see where you end up

Good luck

Edit: The 1.4v recommendation is based more on the fact that they get very inefficient beyond that point, I don't think even 1.45v would be 'harmful', and I've spent a couple of hours at 1.58v with no ill effects, although it was totally pointless, more than 1.45v just seems to make the system less stable at ambient temps.

 

[psyko12]

I think I made it???!! Booting up with 3200mhz and not getting fatal errors on prime95 now!!

Things I did:

Disabled CNQ , C-State and CPB
Multi to 38
Blck 100.10
Set XMP
tweaked timing from 16 18 18 18 38 to 16 15 15 15 36
VCore Normal + 0.0750v [could not remember how many zeroes] (Getting 1.45v in cpu z-)
VSoc 1.1v
Ram Volts 1.40v
LLC to High

Can I tweak the voltages or I'm running too high for 3.8? Highest temp seen so far 74c



EDIT: Fail image linking hahahahah sorry

 

[infrared]

Hmmm, I'd trust HWinfo over cpuz for voltage, it's usually pretty accurate but not always. If you want to be sure get hwmonitor to compare, but from what I can see there it's at 1.385v which is a good place to be. You might be able to get to 3.85-3.9ghz at that voltage, try raising the multiplier .25 at a time and see how you do. Temps are okay, I wouldn't take voltage any higher. Edit - if you're happy with 3.8ghz you can probably reduce Vcore a smidge.

Looking good though, nicely done

 

[psyko12]

Hmmm, I'd trust HWinfo over cpuz for voltage, it's usually pretty accurate but not always. If you want to be sure get hwmonitor to compare, but from what I can see there it's at 1.385v which is a good place to be. You might be able to get to 3.85-3.9ghz at that voltage, try raising the multiplier .25 at a time and see how you do. Temps are okay, I wouldn't take voltage any higher. Edit - if you're happy with 3.8ghz you can probably reduce Vcore a smidge.

Looking good though, nicely done

Thanks. Could have not done it without you guys! I'm gonna go and play with voltages this boards bios is a pita it tends to get bad rom errors when you eff up and have to reflash! But now I have a baseline to follow so I'm going to keep on tweaking!

 

[f22a4bandit]

My parts arrived today! They're waiting at home for the build

 

[the54thvoid]

I tried a setting lower for voltage but it failed running real bench. I need 1.43v steady for 3.9Ghz. No other way about it.

 

[psyko12]

I think I'll settle with 3.825 Ghz for the moment and observe how she behaves for the days coming...

May be this will be like my daily driver speeds but who knows. Hehe I'm not afraid to push further but the Philippine summer time is punishing to every kind of being, machine or man LOL, we get ambient room temps of high 30+c with no AC when it's noon - afternoon time. What a scorcher!

Thank you for all the help TPU

 

[infrared]

Wow, that's scorching And no prob, glad we can help

Hold the phone... the volts are 1.44, i wonder why hwinfo was reading differently earlier.

Hopefully you'll still be able to run less than 1.4 for 3825mhz, you're probably running enough voltage for 3.9ghz+ atm.

 

[Aenra]

That's why i said July or even August, yeah they've being extremely slow on EFI/BIOS updates compared to ASRock, ASUS and/or MSI, actually for a laughs it's really hilarious the board i chose for my build doesn't even have the "Improved stability" update it's Gaming 5 variant has (F5 or F5b EFI update), but i digress

Not at all and anyway, my fault for broaching it

 

[psyko12]

Wow, that's scorching And no prob, glad we can help

Hold the phone... the volts are 1.44, i wonder why hwinfo was reading differently earlier.

Hopefully you'll still be able to run less than 1.4 for 3825mhz, you're probably running enough voltage for 3.9ghz+ atm.

Indeed , I always keep a chilled water bottle next to me hahah!
I'm not sure as well about the voltages, and now it's reading different again LOL.....



EDIT: HOLD That hhaha fail me. I'm looking at a different section at voltages. I'm trying to lower it now and see If I get some failures.

Thanks for pointing it!

 

[techtard]

FML had some weird payment glitch and by the time it got sorted my ddr4 became out of stock and put on backorder. So I'm gonna have a Ryzen 1600 and X370 paperweight for who knows how long.

 

[psyko12]

FML had some weird payment glitch and by the time it got sorted my ddr4 became out of stock and put on backorder. So I'm gonna have a Ryzen 1600 and X370 paperweight for who knows how long.

Bummer. What ram are you planning on getting?

Update. I wonder how I will make the ram stable with a lower vcore...

Right now as per hwinfo I'm at 1.414 to 1.428 and sometimes jumps to 1.44 @ 3.8ghz with LLC to high. Going lower makes prime95 throw a fit...

I gues I'm not lucky with the silicon lottery or the bios is not yet tuned well enough...


I also ran a realbench stress for 15 mins and it passes.

Did a bench but I'm not sure about the score I got if it's decent...

 

[gupsterg]

I'll join peeps in Zen garden .

Spoiler

 

[EntropyZ]

Got my build w/ 1600 and AsRock AB350M Pro4 working yesterday, I have to say I am impressed so far. The AsRock bios has a TON of options, but it doesn't look as fancy, it reminds more of the first UEFI bios'es, but that's OK. A shame the board doesn't have dual BIOS chips like most if not all Gigabyte motherboards have, but I can live with that, even with the odds of having a short power outage are rare, they do happen twice or thrice in a year.

I really liked the feature to be able to update the firmware straight from the internet w/o having any storage what-so-ever. It just works. Chose that motherboard over the others simply because it has larger VRM section than other uATX boards out there right now. And it looks pretty decent too. I don't need much connectivity, dual M.2 is a plus, and X-Fire is possible through some hacks on this board.

I'm stuck w/ one stick of RAM situated in the slot that supports highest frequency memory. So I have absolutely no idea what effect dual-channel has. Nobody tests with Single-Channel anymore. Tried OC'ing it higher than XMP, and that ended in an instant boot-loop (this just ain't as easy as doing it on an FX or a Phenom II), I'm assuming most DDR4 sticks are Dual-Rank which makes it higher to get a decent OC, and if you do get a higher frequency, the latency will have to be set a lot higher for you to even be able to get into BIOS again.

Idles are at 32-38c for the CPU, it's ok I guess for stock cooling, but the fan is friggin' quiet and looks so much better than anything else that's stock. Though I have to note that Intel's LGA775 coolers meant for their higher end pentiums back in the day w/ copper slugs are damn heavy. Like it seems to weigh almost as much as my AM4 board with the heatsink placed on it. I just want to cable tie that thing on this thing and get better temperatures .

So I am pretty happy right now. Just that I don't know how much I can actually push the CPU with better cooling and how much of an FPS improvement I can expect from higher frequency RAM in select titles.

I am awaiting for more firmware updates, they seem to make a decent difference on a system level. Also the software will be very slow to get optimized, won't get any faster even if Lisa Su would start tapping her feet.

 

[HTC]

FML had some weird payment glitch and by the time it got sorted my ddr4 became out of stock and put on backorder. So I'm gonna have a Ryzen 1600 and X370 paperweight for who knows how long.

That sucks dude

That's actually why i've yet to order anything until i'm 100% sure all that i want (board, RAM and CPU) are available and ready for shipment. Since the board i want (Taichi) is not even available on my neck of the woods, this upgrade is on standby, for the moment.

 

[psyko12]

Update on my ax370 gaming k7. When I cold booted today lo and behold bios got reset and an error message. Rom not found. What I did is turn off flip switch to bios 2 booted to stock f2. Flipped switch to bios 1. And then proceeded to flash f3 bios. Back now to bios f3... For whatever reason my last setting before borking did not work kept on failing with prime.

Since the last mix with 3.8 ghz and 3200mhz the vcore was too high to make it work.

I thought of trying something.
Dropped vcore to auto just to see what it pulls from 3.8.. It's pulling 1.38v from auto..

So I've set vcore to normal with an offset.
VSoc 1.2
Ram 1.4
Xmp on but dropped to 2933
16 15 15 15 36
LLC to high

Now booted back to Windows
Ram timing stuck. It was reading proper.
Temps are good I think. Idling 39-40ish
Running prime95 highest I've seen is 79c
Now left realbench stress it max temp seen so far is around 79-80c

Will this be an ok daily setting or I still need to tweak on things?

P.S. Sorry for wall of text.

 

[the54thvoid]

Once you start overclocking, it's hard to say you'll stop tweaking. Keep an eye on temps but if you're happy and the system performs where you want it to, be content.
I wanted 3.9 minimum for my jump to AMD to be a 'happy' move. I have 3.9 and it's sort of mostly stable but I'm at 1.45v though temps are comfortable.
I read another site where a forum member mentioned 1.45v was fine for use and he was an AMD guy. He said up to 1.55v (incidentally my chips VID on HWinfo) was doable but risked long term damage.