AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[Frag_Maniac]

Why? ddr4 4000+ is the top end of ddr4 in speed and price, how many R5 1500 owners are willing to spend more than their processor on 16GB RAM?

1. I was obviously responding to purecain, whom bought the 1800x and pretty high end parts to go with.

2. High speed RAM matters more with Ryzen because it get's much more of a performance boost out of it than Intel.

3. It matters not what percentage of people buy it, there wouldn't have even been issues with high speed RAM had AMD talked more with manufacturers. You don't see these problems with Intel.

It's like you haven't been following the latest news on how to get best performance out of Ryzen. It may indeed be a small percentage of their business, but the high end customers are also the early adopters that keep their cash flow going when needed most.

 

[Kanan]

2. High speed RAM matters more with Ryzen because it get's much more of a performance boost out of it than Intel.

Not really true. After 2400 to 2666 MHz DDR4, the curve flattens a lot, generally going for more than 2933 or 3200 is barely worth it, even 2933 or 3200 are barely worth it. Skylake/Kaby on the other hand scale endlessly based on DDR4 speeds, it's even scaling better because those architectures are absolute high performance and can't get enough bandwidth basically (it has to do with their possibly very high clocks as well).

 

[toilet pepper]

I'm not sure if you all have watched this but Wendell from L1Tech tried to crack down on why Ryzen seems smoother in some games.

 

[N-Gen]

Reporting after about a month of usage now, can't say I'm disappointed with my 1800X at all. I'm coming from a 4.8GHz i5-2500k and 16GB of 1600MHz RAM so it's been a while.

The only issues I have at the moment are, what I believe to be, motherboard related (Crosshair VI Hero, latest official BIOS). I'm keeping my OCs sensible for the time being and even that is causing issues sometimes, although not frequent. I did manage to boot and run prime95 at 4150MHz, so that was interesting. However, as soon as I started playing some Overwatch and launched OBS Studio the machine would crash, which was expected to be fair. I currently keep it running on 3.8-3.9GHz which is more than enough and I'm not really missing much in the extra MHz to be fair. 4 sticks of RAM, have been managing 2666MHz without issue, anything beyond that starts getting weird.

If I set the auto config to DOCP at 3000MHz it will bott at 2400MHz, report 32GB available but only 16GB usable in Windows. Bios only shows 16GB. Manually setting the OC to above 2666MHz has the same effect just with incremental effects. For instance setting the RAM at 2750MHz would launch it at 2450MHz on 16GB instead of the correct values. Timings are also automatically altered when going above 2666MHz. I manually set them up for 16-18-18-38 which is the sticks are rated for but the board decides it should run them at 15-17-17-36, so it's all a bit weird.

This is not the only board related issue I have right now. I'm usually turning off this machine at night and when trying to switch it on again it decides it wants to draw a Q-Code 8 for a few times, or get stuck at Q-Codes 20, 21 or 22, then after a few reboots and resets on the board, it boots just fine and will not give any issues unless it's switched off again. This morning was an exception where I just pushed power and it came straight on.

These same issues have been evident on a friend's build with pretty much the same specs, same CPU, board, RAM, type of PSU and same GPU. Seems like there's a bit of ironing out left to be done.

But hey, it eats anything I feed it so thumbs up AMD.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

1. I was obviously responding to purecain, whom bought the 1800x and pretty high end parts to go with.

2. High speed RAM matters more with Ryzen because it get's much more of a performance boost out of it than Intel.

3. It matters not what percentage of people buy it, there wouldn't have even been issues with high speed RAM had AMD talked more with manufacturers. You don't see these problems with Intel.

It's like you haven't been following the latest news on how to get best performance out of Ryzen. It may indeed be a small percentage of their business, but the high end customers are also the early adopters that keep their cash flow going when needed most.

1: I know you were replying to his specific scenario and in that case you are right however when you turn it into a sweeping generalisation then what I said stands correct all the way from Ryzen 1400-1700. Even then it's likely a small % of 1700x1800x owners who have bought 4000+ RAM which also doesnt work out of the box with some intel combos.
2: see reply below, this is true anything from 2800-3200 is seen as the sweet spot and performance gains are negligible beyond that
3: agreed, it was released a month too early and there should have been better collaboration between AMD and motherboard mfrs to iron out those release day issues and update microcode

 

[RejZoR]

Actually for AMD, the higher the better because the Infinity Fabric runs at same clock then. And I've seen some tests where 3600 MHz basically negated the CCX cross communication penalty in games, pitting 1800X CPU's against 7700K in pretty much everything.

For Intel, sweet spot is actually 2666 MHz where you have the largest gains. Beyond that you're paying way more for hardly any benefits.

 

[Johan45]

Reporting after about a month of usage now, can't say I'm disappointed with my 1800X at all. I'm coming from a 4.8GHz i5-2500k and 16GB of 1600MHz RAM so it's been a while.

The only issues I have at the moment are, what I believe to be, motherboard related (Crosshair VI Hero, latest official BIOS). I'm keeping my OCs sensible for the time being and even that is causing issues sometimes, although not frequent. I did manage to boot and run prime95 at 4150MHz, so that was interesting. However, as soon as I started playing some Overwatch and launched OBS Studio the machine would crash, which was expected to be fair. I currently keep it running on 3.8-3.9GHz which is more than enough and I'm not really missing much in the extra MHz to be fair. 4 sticks of RAM, have been managing 2666MHz without issue, anything beyond that starts getting weird.

If I set the auto config to DOCP at 3000MHz it will bott at 2400MHz, report 32GB available but only 16GB usable in Windows. Bios only shows 16GB. Manually setting the OC to above 2666MHz has the same effect just with incremental effects. For instance setting the RAM at 2750MHz would launch it at 2450MHz on 16GB instead of the correct values. Timings are also automatically altered when going above 2666MHz. I manually set them up for 16-18-18-38 which is the sticks are rated for but the board decides it should run them at 15-17-17-36, so it's all a bit weird.

This is not the only board related issue I have right now. I'm usually turning off this machine at night and when trying to switch it on again it decides it wants to draw a Q-Code 8 for a few times, or get stuck at Q-Codes 20, 21 or 22, then after a few reboots and resets on the board, it boots just fine and will not give any issues unless it's switched off again. This morning was an exception where I just pushed power and it came straight on.

These same issues have been evident on a friend's build with pretty much the same specs, same CPU, board, RAM, type of PSU and same GPU. Seems like there's a bit of ironing out left to be done.

But hey, it eats anything I feed it so thumbs up AMD.

That "cold boot" issue is pretty widely known and that crash. All ram related. P95 doesn't test nearly enough ram unless you set it to custom and then select ~ 75-90% of you ram. That'll give you a much better idea of stability.

 

[springs113]

That boot issue is an Asus thing...I had it first happened to my Rampage V edition 10 board and also had that quite a few times where my Deluxe would do the same. In fact my Deluxe did it for like 3 days straight, it wouldn't boot at all. No amount of bios flashing would fix it either. If I remember correctly this was back in march of last year for the issues with the Deluxe board.

 

[N-Gen]

I'm not going to attempt more pushes at this stage since I still need it day to day, which it has been doing just fine. Hopefully they iron out the boot issue, that's the only thing annoying me since it will not crash at 3.9GHz and 2666MHz after booting. It's pretty much just the boot thing now.

I'm assuming they fixed the Deluxe issue?

 

[springs113]

I'm not going to attempt more pushes at this stage since I still need it day to day, which it has been doing just fine. Hopefully they iron out the boot issue, that's the only thing annoying me since it will not crash at 3.9GHz and 2666MHz after booting. It's pretty much just the boot thing now.

I'm assuming they fixed the Deluxe issue?

I honestly don't know...I got rid of the board. But I can tell you I experienced the same thing with my Rampage board. I know Ryzen has its issues but I do believe this is more Asus than AMD. It had me thinking I had a expensive paperweight for quite some time. It is random though I haven't experienced something like that in maybe about 3 months on my R5.

On another note:
How do you like the CHVI? I have narrowed my board selection to this board, the Taichi and the Titanium.

 

[N-Gen]

I only got it because ASRock didn't provide any info to my supplier, only for the Taichi to arrive 2 days later than the Crosshair.

I'm a very loyal ASRock customer and so far it seems that the Crosshair and the Taichi seem to be the highest quality boards available for AMD. Except for the boot issue and some issues with overtightening and the back of the board touching cables it has been great to work with and Asus are putting a lot of work into it. I guess only time will tell if the boot issue is fixed.

 

[springs113]

I only got it because ASRock didn't provide any info to my supplier, only for the Taichi to arrive 2 days later than the Crosshair.

I'm a very loyal ASRock customer and so far it seems that the Crosshair and the Taichi seem to be the highest quality boards available for AMD. Except for the boot issue and some issues with overtightening and the back of the board touching cables it has been great to work with and Asus are putting a lot of work into it. I guess only time will tell if the boot issue is fixed.

I've only remembered owning only 1 Asrock board...the only thing that scares me is their customer service. Has it improved?

 

[N-Gen]

Since my supplier is as distributor for ASRock I couldn't really tell you much about their actual support.

However, I've been using ASRock board exclusively since 2008. This ASUS board is the first non-ASRock board I've used since then. I've built many PCs for people, almost all built on ASRock boards. Any DOA/fault boards were exchanged, no questions asked. My guys say the RMA process is good. I feel safe to the point that my file server runs on an ASRock board.

 

[Johan45]

I only got it because ASRock didn't provide any info to my supplier, only for the Taichi to arrive 2 days later than the Crosshair.

I'm a very loyal ASRock customer and so far it seems that the Crosshair and the Taichi seem to be the highest quality boards available for AMD. Except for the boot issue and some issues with overtightening and the back of the board touching cables it has been great to work with and Asus are putting a lot of work into it. I guess only time will tell if the boot issue is fixed.

We'll see in a month or so, there should be a big update in May sometime. That 32Gb of ram is tough right now and especially if it's hynix based which it sounds like it is. I was able to run my 4x8 samsung at 3200 but you need to use the BCLK on the 2666 strap. 32GB on 2933 or 3200 strap need CL18 or higher if not they refuse to boot. Just some odd behaviour still but it can be worked around. There's a new BIOS for the CHVI here if you're interested

 

[N-Gen]

We'll see in a month or so, there should be a big update in May sometime. That 32Gb of ram is tough right now and especially if it's hynix based which it sounds like it is. I was able to run my 4x8 samsung at 3200 but you need to use the BCLK on the 2666 strap. 32GB on 2933 or 3200 strap need CL18 or higher if not they refuse to boot. Just some odd behaviour still but it can be worked around. There's a new BIOS for the CHVI here if you're interested

I might give the BIOS a try. Not too fussed about the RAM at this stage, although of course it will be nice if they hit their 3000. It's nice to see ASUS constantly working on this though, gives me hope. Then again, we're still in very early stages.

 

[Juvir]

Reporting after about a month of usage now, can't say I'm disappointed with my 1800X at all. I'm coming from a 4.8GHz i5-2500k and 16GB of 1600MHz RAM so it's been a while.

The only issues I have at the moment are, what I believe to be, motherboard related (Crosshair VI Hero, latest official BIOS). I'm keeping my OCs sensible for the time being and even that is causing issues sometimes, although not frequent. I did manage to boot and run prime95 at 4150MHz, so that was interesting. However, as soon as I started playing some Overwatch and launched OBS Studio the machine would crash, which was expected to be fair. I currently keep it running on 3.8-3.9GHz which is more than enough and I'm not really missing much in the extra MHz to be fair. 4 sticks of RAM, have been managing 2666MHz without issue, anything beyond that starts getting weird.

If I set the auto config to DOCP at 3000MHz it will bott at 2400MHz, report 32GB available but only 16GB usable in Windows. Bios only shows 16GB. Manually setting the OC to above 2666MHz has the same effect just with incremental effects. For instance setting the RAM at 2750MHz would launch it at 2450MHz on 16GB instead of the correct values. Timings are also automatically altered when going above 2666MHz. I manually set them up for 16-18-18-38 which is the sticks are rated for but the board decides it should run them at 15-17-17-36, so it's all a bit weird.

This is not the only board related issue I have right now. I'm usually turning off this machine at night and when trying to switch it on again it decides it wants to draw a Q-Code 8 for a few times, or get stuck at Q-Codes 20, 21 or 22, then after a few reboots and resets on the board, it boots just fine and will not give any issues unless it's switched off again. This morning was an exception where I just pushed power and it came straight on.

These same issues have been evident on a friend's build with pretty much the same specs, same CPU, board, RAM, type of PSU and same GPU. Seems like there's a bit of ironing out left to be done.

But hey, it eats anything I feed it so thumbs up AMD.

Interesting. I have the same board, and i'm running my 3200 DDR4 at the rated speeds. My OC is currently at 4.02ghz, running D.O.C.P. 4, 3200MHZ on the RAM, 16-18-18-18-36 timings, 1.375v on the CPU, and 1.35v on the ram. I had to manually input the voltages for both, but i've had no issues at all. Not in gaming, nor in ram being used or showing up.

 

[N-Gen]

Interesting. I have the same board, and i'm running my 3200 DDR4 at the rated speeds. My OC is currently at 4.02ghz, running D.O.C.P. 4, 3200MHZ on the RAM, 16-18-18-18-36 timings, 1.375v on the CPU, and 1.35v on the ram. I had to manually input the voltages for both, but i've had no issues at all. Not in gaming, nor in ram being used or showing up.

I do have to input both voltages as well as timings manually as well.

 

[Juvir]

I went with 32GB of Corsair Dominator Platinum for my setup

 

[EntropyZ]

Replaced my Single stick of Corsair Veng. LPX 2400MHz which clocked at 2933MHz easy to Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB which only boots at 2666MHz measly on an R5 1600 as per Ryzen official RAM support. Slightly disappointed it didn't go at least to 2933MHz as well. All I could do is lower the voltage and tighten the timings.

These old non-Ryzen optimized DDR4 modules really suck, even though they were Samsung. No wonder they're on sale in my country right now. Corsair probably trying to get rid of old stock. These things were obviously meant for X99/Z170.

Anyone remember X99 being finicky on launch with DDR4 when it was first used?

I'm holding my breath on BIOS updates making 2933MHz possible at some point with Dual-Rank dotted PCBs. I don't know if the board is the limiting factor or most likely scenario that it is the CPU.

 

[Johan45]

Replaced my Single stick of Corsair Veng. LPX 2400MHz which clocked at 2933MHz easy to Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB which only boots at 2666MHz measly on an R5 1600 as per Ryzen official RAM support. Slightly disappointed it didn't go at least to 2933MHz as well. All I could do is lower the voltage and tighten the timings.

These old non-Ryzen optimized DDR4 modules really suck, even though they were Samsung. No wonder they're on sale in my country right now. Corsair probably trying to get rid of old stock. These things were obviously meant for X99/Z170.

Anyone remember X99 being finicky on launch with DDR4 when it was first used?

I'm holding my breath on BIOS updates making 2933MHz possible at some point with Dual-Rank dotted PCBs. I don't know if the board is the limiting factor or most likely scenario that it is the CPU.

Are you certain they're Samsung "B"? 3200 CL 14-14-14 probably CL 16 probably not

 

[gasolina]

Hi guys i intend to move to Ryzen since the x99 will be dead at the end of this month and it seems that ryzen platform will live at least until the end of 2018 or mid 2019.
I'm using a pair of 1080TI SLI and a 4,8ghz 5820k, i'm a gamer but also a multitask worker so this is kinda very trouble for me to choose since.......i've seen plenty reviews that Ryzen can't get along very well with Nvidia GPU since i've checked on anadtech bench that 5960x still give better gaming result than 1800x . I've got a very tempting offer 1700 + X370 Prime asus/ x370 killer sli asrock + cpu waterblock only 400$ so i don't know to sell my 5820k rigs and switch to ryzen or not . I always gaming at 3840x1600 or 3440x1440 but what trouble me that at base clock Ryzen would give me 20% lower fps than the intel one i want to that that if somehow can we make this gap closer like 10% that would be much much better.

 

[Johan45]

Hi guys i intend to move to Ryzen since the x99 will be dead at the end of this month and it seems that ryzen platform will live at least until the end of 2018 or mid 2019.
I'm using a pair of 1080TI SLI and a 4,8ghz 5820k, i'm a gamer but also a multitask worker so this is kinda very trouble for me to choose since.......i've seen plenty reviews that Ryzen can't get along very well with Nvidia GPU since i've checked on anadtech bench that 5960x still give better gaming result than 1800x . I've got a very tempting offer 1700 + X370 Prime asus/ x370 killer sli asrock + cpu waterblock only 400$ so i don't know to sell my 5820k rigs and switch to ryzen or not . I always gaming at 3840x1600 or 3440x1440 but what trouble me that at base clock Ryzen would give me 20% lower fps than the intel one i want to that that if somehow can we make this gap closer like 10% that would be much much better.

You're fine the way you are IMO. The extra cores won't net you much if any in the way of FPS.

 

[EarthDog]

+1

With multi0le gpus, you want the fastsst clocks and ipc you can get... not ryzen.

 

[cdawall]

+1

With multi0le gpus, you want the fastsst clocks and ipc you can get... not ryzen.

I actually have a curious comparison for that. These two are just a CPU swap. The GPU actually boosted to a higher clock speed with the "weaker" Xeon 12c @2.2 vs the 5960@4.5. Performance difference is basically a wash.

 

[purecain]

installed everything yesterday and noticed the Ethernet wasn't working... It was my second boot after i'd flashed 2007 and I hadn't seen any dodgyness at all. my ram set straight to 3200mhz. I never got the chance to push the cpu as I pulled the system apart for rma...

its nice to know that with the big improvement coming with more dividers etc I will get the full use of the ram and my system should be pretty fast.

with the m.2 nvme drive the os installed in about a minute. navigating the os was just fast. the machine felt quicker then my haswell sytem using a 960evo.

unfortunately there was something causing the case to be live and I think I killed the Ethernet port. it had partial functionality so had to rma... was absolutely guttered. so much so I went on a 4hour rant. lol which I absolutely regret after getting some sleep.

btw if you buy 2 1080's due to the drivers being immature you will get less performance than you do with one card in virtually every game except a couple of benchmarks which do show an improvement.

we have also reached a limitation on the pcie3 bus. when more people have stronger systems this time next year it will all be about minimum fps as max fps wont be a concern anymore.unless they release pcie4 on one of the new intel chipsets coming...

don't base your second hand views on just one instance. btw for people on ryzen my magic ic's on the g.skill trident RGB were GTZR. the crosshair seemed to love them.

it will be interesting to see how my second board reacts...