AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[phanbuey]

I'd have to see a run of fresh benchmarks to put forward an opinion about 1080p gaming, to be honest I'm highly doubtful that there's a large gap in fps compared to a 7700k now that drivers, patches, agesa codes etc have been done. The platform has matured but unfortunately lingering views from the early days are still getting repeated. The problem with low res on badly coded games is it exaggerates how "poorly" the CPU is performing, based only on the fact the game isn't spreading out the load across all threads, like nearly all AAA titles do these days.

Edit: and I have to comment on how silky smooth games run, no occasional stuttering like I used to get on my 6700k setup.

^^ OH MY GOD... that used to drive me nuts... and then whenever i would mention it on forums, people would act like i was crazy... I ended up ditching an SSD, and taking out my wifi card tryinng to figure out the cause.

i have a 144hz Gsync, and those stutters were like a cold slap in the face since everything else was buttery smooth. The frame pacing is much more consistent with ryzen.

 

[EarthDog]

If tbe problem was really in the cpu, more people would be complaining about it, dont you think? Im not saying you didnt have tbe issue, but, cant say its remotely a rampant problem. System (user) specfiic.

 

[trparky]

So what is the root cause of the frame stuttering?

 

[phanbuey]

If tbe problem was really in the cpu, more people would be complaining about it, dont you think? Im not saying you didnt have tbe issue, but, cant say its remotely a rampant problem. System (user) specfiic.

Yeah I think so - some people are really not sensitive to that kind of stuff; I've seen one review and a few other people that have mentioned that, but nothing widespread. I think it was really exacerbated by 100 - 140 fps G-sync (which is where i keep my games at) since it would render so smoothly that a .3 second hitch was just brutal.

So what is the root cause of the frame stuttering?

I spent months trying to find it - it would get better / worse depending on what was plugged into the motherboard - but was still always there. I think it was the chipset / bios being crappy and I was about to get a new motherboard when ryzen came out, so I decided to just sell the whole thing and go with an 8 core chip.

Since then ive had no hitching - FO4 and some games have lower overall FPS - but they are much more consistent/smoother than before. Mass Effect Andromeda runs amazing at 1440P High settings - no hitching at all, where as before i would even get a hitch in the menus on the planet fly-through effect.

 

[trparky]

How can it be the BIOS/UEFI? Correct me if I'm wrong but after the system POSTs and boots up the BIOS/UEFI steps out of the way for the OS to take control over the hardware.

 

[phanbuey]

How can it be the BIOS/UEFI? Correct me if I'm wrong but after the system POSTs and boots up the BIOS/UEFI steps out of the way for the OS to take control over the hardware.

AFAIK - The OS doesn't really take control over the low-level firmware aspects of the board - things like memory subtimings, how the board handles basic I/O interrupts from which devices and all that is still up to the BIOS before it ever hits the OS.

 

[Chicken Patty]

yeah, that would be the case if you use non X ryzen, as of now only 1800X, 1700X, 1600X have the offset, no offset for other ryzens so Tdie = Tctl

temp is too high, IMHO. I would re-apply thermal paste and re-seat the HSF if I were you

edit: what's the ambient temp there? I got around 60-ish deg Celcius in a 27 deg-ambient room with 1600 and 1400, granted I use stock FX coolers (the one with heatpipes)

Yeah I might have to do that for now, just gets really hot.

I just had an extremely fun day (and night) of gaming on the Raisin now it's got it's shiney new 1080Ti (CPU @ 4.1, RAM @ 3200 C14). I was blown away by the smoothness of Witcher 3, Fallout 4 took some tweaking to get it to spread the load across the cores a bit better, but that runs very well now too, Assassins creed syndicate looked stunning when I was watching sister play (not my type of game tbh). Project cars was silky smooth. I couldn't be happier!
It's running on a 165hz 1440p g-sync monitor, I think it broke me, any time I see things on a 60hz monitor/tv now I notice it lol. I need to get the Vive installed and have a go with that.

I'm gonna put this out there, and anybody can feel free to quote me: Anybody who says Ryzen "sucks" for gaming is flat out lying!

Edit: to elaborate - I'm not saying it's better than it's competitors, just that it does a great job in games and doesn't deserve the bad rep from early on. If you will be taking advantage of the raw power and not just purely gaming on it, I'd wholeheartedly recommend this cpu!




He's on the stock AMD cooler and that looks like 100% load. I agree though it is very hot, especially for such low voltage. Aftermarket cooler needed asap @Chicken Patty !

I got water cooling on the way. Gets here Monday

 

[R-T-B]

What you were experiencing re the stutters sounds like DPC latency issues, phanbuey. I ran into a few Intel boards that suffered from it if you loaded up all the board specific utilities. The cure was generally to not load anything but the bare drivers.

Still, Ryzen does seem smoother overall, but I think that's just by virtue of being an 8-core, not an inherent Intel problem. Having the USB on the CPU-die may help as well.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Any idea why the discrepancy between both softwares CPU temp wise?

 

[bencrutz]

Any idea why the discrepancy between both softwares CPU temp wise?

not sure, but probably A-Tuning reads from sensor under the socket, not directly from the ryzen chip. maybe compare it with CPU temp under the AsRock X370 Taichi on the HWiNFO instead?

 

[purecain]

I'm going to buy some more trident rgb, only this time I'm going to buy 2400mhz version and flash them with the 4266mhz spd.

I'm interested to see how lucky I can get, I know there is only a limited quantity of those b-die Samsung chips.

http://www.samsung.com/semiconducto...8/8G_B_DDR4_Samsung_Spec_Rev1.11_Mar.15-2.pdf

 

[EarthDog]

I'm going to buy some more trident rgb, only this time I'm going to buy 2400mhz version and flash them with the 4266mhz spd.

I'm interested to see how lucky I can get, I know there is only a limited quantity of those b-die Samsung chips.

At that high of a speed, there is plenty of binning going on to get there. If your 2400Mhz sticks could make 4266 with a sane amount of voltage, they would be 4266 sticks.

Anyway, do tell of your 'flashing' RAM adventures when you try.

 

[Chicken Patty]

not sure, but probably A-Tuning reads from sensor under the socket, not directly from the ryzen chip. maybe compare it with CPU temp under the AsRock X370 Taichi on the HWiNFO instead?

yeah, that temperature reading matches with the CPU temp under the motherboard in HWinfo. So I guess just a different location. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[r9]

I know, we're men, we don't read the directions. Directions? Yeah, it's those things I threw in back of the couch.

If all else fails, read the directions.

Real men read directions not see how it's done, but to see what they did wrong.
You did it the right way. Lol

 

[TheLostSwede]

I would consider that to be a low-end 1440p monitor, barely worth getting because of the 60Hz limitation. If I were to go 1440p I would get at least 120 Hz. Go big or go home.

You ever happy? You claim to have limited budget, but nothing appears to be good enough for you...

 

[trparky]

I'm hoping that some of this high end stuff comes down in price in a couple of months. Besides, in a few more months I'll have a bigger budget to work with. I have nearly a thousand saved up but in a couple of more months I should have another half a grand.

 

[Rehmanpa]

It may not suck for you since you're at 1440p where the bottleneck is in the GPU's court but for those of us who are still gaming at 1080p that's where Ryzen just isn't good enough. Many of us are still playing at 1080p and have no plans to go higher than that. Especially when a good 1440p monitor is damn near half the cost of building the system itself. A good 1440p monitor will cost around $500 USD.

Asus pb278q, they're like 300 iirc and I've gotten some on sale at like 250 a piece. They're awesome.

 

[trparky]

Do you have any ideas about a monitor that's more like 23 inches instead. With my dual-monitor setup here a 27 inch monitor would take up way too much room on my desk.

 

[phanbuey]

Do you have any ideas about a monitor that's more like 23 inches instead. With my dual-monitor setup here a 27 inch monitor would take up way too much room on my desk.

The Dell 24" 1440P 144hz is one of the better ones.

It's a little pricey but one of the better picture quality ones:https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...gclid=CKjH75T0sNQCFQeIaQodYigB4Q&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[trparky]

Dell? Um... I don't if you're joking but usually the name Dell is not known for being synonymous with quality. Usually anything Dell is seen as being cheap junk, at least from what I've seen in recent years. Their desktop and notebook lines are cheap trash. It's the reason why I build my computers as versus buying cheaply made trash like what Dell and HP makes.

 

[the54thvoid]

Dell? Um... I don't if you're joking but usually the name Dell is not known for being synonymous with quality. Usually anything Dell is seen as being cheap junk, at least from what I've seen in recent years. Their desktop and notebook lines are cheap trash. It's the reason why I build my computers as versus buying cheaply made trash like what Dell and HP makes.

Dell aren't a bad brand.... Like most manufacturers they sell cheap and expensive - you get what you pay for.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/1...7-review-the-best-15-inch-laptop-in-its-class

As for monitors, they make very goods ones but you need to pay for them. I'm still on an ancient UH27 or something. Cost £500+ new.

 

[phanbuey]

^ this...

I agree that they are cheap junk for mid range but for whatever reason their monitor department is pretty decent... I mean... who else is making an 8K monitor?

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell...18k/apd/210-alez/monitors-monitor-accessories

 

[trparky]

OK, do I absolutely need G-Sync? Because I'm looking at this monitor and it's significantly cheaper just because it doesn't have G-Sync in it.

 

[phanbuey]

OK, do I absolutely need G-Sync? Because I'm looking at this monitor and it's significantly cheaper just because it doesn't have G-Sync in it.

you dont need gsync, but you do want the 144hz... the gsync overclocks to 165hz from the options panel - not sure if they make a freesync one.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Dell makes some of the best monitors out there these days, whatever you think. They make a lot of other ho hum products, but their displays are top notch.